Eternally Grateful
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So you agree that the belief that everyone will get to heaven in the end. And no one will end up in eternal hell with satan and his angels. Is a good topic to discuss.
why is this?
Why doesn't your "whole Bible view" include Universalism?
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why is this?
Lambano
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Why doesn't your "whole Bible view" include...
I remember on the old Key Life forums, this delightfully rough woman stating that she'd torn Leviticus out of her Bible. (I can imagine what subject would entail tearing Leviticus out of one's Bible, but never mind that.) Anyway, that Saturday, I was part of a team cleaning up the Sanctuary in preparation for Sunday worship, and I ran across a Bible in the racks on the back of the pews that had a damaged binding and was missing a bunch of pages from the front, including the book of Leviticus. And I couldn't help thinking, "Oh, look; I've found DeeDee's Bible!"
LOL
Maybe that's not your gift. I like you just the way you are.
I have done tons of topics on the subject of hell and Universalism. Here are a few.
What does the hell doctrine say about the character of God?
...burned away only to be replaced with fresh flesh to be burned again and again. Hard to imagine a more sadistic or cruel punishment for a temporal crime. Justice? Nope. Couldn't this have been avoided with a simple discussion? Ten seconds in hell would be enough for anyone to get the...The Biblical Truth About Hell - video and transcript
Here's a video about The Biblical Truth About Hell Transcript below. This comes from the view of Annihilationism, which challenges the forever burning hell doctrine of eternal conscious torment. My personal view is that of Ultimate Redemption of all humankind. But this video makes a lot of...To Hell and Back - Visiting Gehenna
Drew (and company) travels to Jerusalem to visit hell and finds it to be a very pleasant place actually. Say what? - What did you learn from the video? /Sugar coating hell - the bitter pill
"Eternal separation from God." (whatever that means to you) A follow-up to the previous topic: The changing perception of hell. - How do you define it? The hell doctrine has always been "the fly in the ointment" for me. Being raised evangelical, I was fine with all of it, (didn't know any...The changing perception of hell. - How do you define it?
Even very by-the-book Christians are modifying their views on hell, or the afterlife. As the previous trend for fire-and-brimstone preaching has all but gone the way of the dinosaur. Leaning toward a more personalized stance on "eternal separation from God". (whatever that means to you) -...The Hell Doctrine - No doctrinal unity
What's your view on the final judgement? Here are the three popular biblical views: 1) Damnationism 2) Annihilationism 3) Universalism All three views are biblical, all three views are in DIRECT conflict.Jesus talked about hell more than any other person in the Bible. - Seriously?
Brook Potter “When someone says that Jesus taught about Hell more than anything else in his earthly ministry, it’s obvious that person get’s their theology from Christian Television more so than from study.” One of the most common logical fallacies used by Christians is the fallacy of...Are you sending your neighbors to Hell?
Perhaps the best evidence that no one really believes in a forever-burning Hell. Or that no one really loves their neighbors. Take your pick. If you really loved your neighbors, and believed in a forever-burning Hell, you wouldn't send them there. I can hear the reply coming now. "I didn't...Open Discussion of UR Chapter Five - When Was Hell Invented?
GOOGLE question; "when was the word hell invented?" GOOGLE's answer; About 17,400,000 results (0.46 seconds) The modern English word hell is derived from Old English hel, helle (first attested around 725 AD to refer to a nether world of the dead) reaching into the Anglo-Saxon pagan period...Open Discussion of UR Chapter Four - The Gates of Hell...
Jesus said, "... I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." - Matthew 16:18 NIV Question #1) What are the gates of hell? Question #2) What does it mean to not prevail? Question #3) How should the church (the Body of Christ) respond to this? Question #4) How...[
Ritajanice
Born-Again
Another thing @St. SteVen .
A Born Again, Hates sin with a capital H..and will no longer carry on sinning, why, because they have been Born of Gods seed.
We are becoming more and more like Jesus, we Honour the Father, all we want to do in our hearts, is to truly represent Jesus...that is why we were chosen and predestined..imo.
A Born Again, Hates sin with a capital H..and will no longer carry on sinning, why, because they have been Born of Gods seed.
We are becoming more and more like Jesus, we Honour the Father, all we want to do in our hearts, is to truly represent Jesus...that is why we were chosen and predestined..imo.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
Do you know, that’s exactly what the Spirit revealed to me...I haven’t given you that gift..imo.
Eternally Grateful
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Amen
But we must be born again
The person you are praising and patting on the back says it does not matter if we are born again or not. We will still get to heaven.
LOL
That's hilarious.
It seems to me that if anyone is discarding someone else's biblical view, that they might as well be tearing pages out of their Bible.
And those same folks are quick to quote Revelation about not adding to, or taking away from...
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Lambano
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That can be your next new topic:
"What pages have I torn out of my Bible?"
(We all have 'em.)
That's the beauty of the Body of Christ.
It is made up of all different parts. We need ALL the parts. You are RIGHT where you should be.
Keep up the good work, sister!
1 Corinthians 12:27 NIV
Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it.
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Lambano
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No, he's saying that the timeframe for being "born again" includes after death.
What is the relationship between "resurrection" and being "born again"?
Eternally Grateful
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Oh I am sorry, Forgive me, This must be a @St. SteVen and @Ritajanice joy thread. They do not want apposing views here. 
I do agree. About the pages being ripped out. Bus we must remember, most doctrinal differences are not because we ignore what art of the Bible says so we have to rip them out. It is based on interpretation of certain passages.
The question is. Does part of the Bible contradict itself
I do agree. About the pages being ripped out. Bus we must remember, most doctrinal differences are not because we ignore what art of the Bible says so we have to rip them out. It is based on interpretation of certain passages.
The question is. Does part of the Bible contradict itself
Eternally Grateful
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Which is another way of saying exactly what I said
If your not born again, you will not be resurrected. Only those who are born again, saved, or given eternal life will be ressurected by him (john 6)
You will be delievered to christ for Judgment (Rev 20)
Also note. Those who have eternal life will be ressurected to life.
Those who are delivered to christ will be cast to the lake of fire.
There is no second chance..
(Let’s be honest with ourselves - If we die in this lifetime having rejected christ. And realise there is a heaven and hell. is ANYONE going to deny Christ?)
Lambano
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New topic:
Ripped and Torn - What pages have you torn out of your Bible?
You would never do that, right? Actually tear pages out of your Bible. ??? But how many of us do it in our minds by claiming someone else's view is "UNBIBLICAL"! Might as well have torn that one out of your Bible. [
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Because you are not applying one of the most important hermeneutics to the scriptures you have listed here.
The originalist viewpoint.
In our world today it is considered not only uncouth to label someone as a racist or hold prejudices against others outside of your "group" it is a charge of criminal behavior accompanying it.
We don't do it. We are very very careful to not be prejudiced against anyone for God created us all.
This is NOT the same behavior or thought that has existed for millennia. Just like a state sponsored religion is also considered "backward" today (theocracy)...but until the last 250 years it was the norm. Meaning...any other nationality, race, creed or whatever not only disliked other people there has existed open hostility for no other reason than they claim affinity for some group outside your own.
So...if you re-apply those two concepts back to the scriptures....they have a different perspective. And your Universalism crumbles away. Now, where I have no doubt that you will NOT give universalism up....I thought it good to show your cognitive bias to everyone viewing this thread. Cognitive bias is just that...something that most people do not fix. Jesus commented upon this as well quite often. It's very difficult for people to truly repent. Sure, in order to become a Christian you must....but like most people it's a "One and Done" thing for them....the continual repentance doesn't happen for a REASON . And so people changing their minds? HA! They double down just like you will.
Eternally Grateful
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That's a good question.
I can't see your posts, or I would have responded earlier. (maybe)
I mentioned this in post #4 and post #18.
Here are all three biblical doctrines of the final judgement.
- Damnationism (forever burning hell)
- Annihilationism (complete destruction of the wicked)
- Christian Universalism (Ultimate Redemption of humankind)
All three views are biblical and contradictory.
- Damnationism contradicts Annihilationism and Universalism
- Annihilationism contradicts Damnationism and Universalism
- Christian Universalism contradicts Damnationism and Annihilationism
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Nothing is left to "chance". IMHO
Humankind is too precious to dump the vast majority in the incinerator.
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Eternally Grateful
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Ok,
but what does this have to do with the bible contradicting itself? (My question)
You just gave three apposing views or interpretations of the Bible. Do those view prove the Bible contradicts itself.
Or do those apposing views or interpretations prove that some people are misinterpreting the Bible to come up with those apposing views.
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