The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

[Taken]

That erroneously suggests that God creates sinners and thus He would be held accountable for that. When people sin in and of their own choices the judgement resides on them. That is how God holds people accountable and why people are not born sinning. Original sin/born sinning concept is bunk.

It suggests NO SUCH THING.

The FIRST man, was NOT born…rather CREATED……AND……MADE.

The First man, was CREATED, by being FORMED from dust of it’s intended Habitat…EARTH…

God revealed…He forms EVERY BODY (man, plants, animals)….AND TO EVERY SEED…God gives it it’s own body…and that body has it’s own seed, to REPRODUCE it’s SAME KIND OF THING…

Adam gained a counterpart, FEMALE, for companionship and ability for the male human to fertilize the Females seed (egg)…to procreate OFFSPRING…of THEIR same KIND of things.

BEFORE…this Created and Made “couple”…
EFFECTED…procreating an offspring ….
THEY VIOLATED the ONE………ONLY ONE thing they were WARNED to ignore….

THUS….their OFFSPRING…from there forward….ALL are procreated from a TAINTED SEED OF MANKIND…that as both “good and evil”.. to which each “individual” naturally born….MUST CHOOSE which they shall Accept or Reject…….Goodness or Evilness…

And that is what occurs for EVERY human’s Journey in Life……of which shall they Choose.

No natural born children are born BELIEVING IN the Lord God…it’s a JOURNEY…and it is a GIFT to parents to set their child on their life’s Journey KNOWING…good and evil…and the consequences for freely choosing either.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[marks]

THUS….their OFFSPRING…from there forward….ALL are procreated from a TAINTED SEED OF MANKIND…that as both “good and evil”.. to which each “individual” naturally born….MUST CHOOSE which they shall Accept or Reject…….Goodness or Evilness…

It's important to understand that "Adam", the man, sin wasn't limited to him, in the garden humanity sinned.

We are not isolated individuals each independent of the others, so that whatever became of Adam has no bearing on me. To the contrary, "Levi paid tithes to Melchizedek being in the loins of Abraham". Humanity isn't a series of individuals scattered across the millennia, rather, God created humanity in a man, and humanity has been unfolding like the petals of a flower.

Much love!

 

[GodsGrace]

Every person is NOT naturally born sinless.
Every natural born person IS born IN sin.

Glory to God,
Taken

Not been following along...
but
There's the usual misunderstanding here....
I believe that @Runningman is correct.

We are born tainted with sin...
we are born with the sin nature,
but we are not born with personal sin accounted to us.
Adam's sin had an effect on every human,
but we are not imputed with his sin...
WE did not sin but are only marked by his sin.

Each man is responsible for his own sin:

Galatians 6:5
5For each will have to bear his own load.

2 Corinthians 5:10
10For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil.

Ezekiel 18:20
20The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.


I have a question for you:
What sin has a baby committed?

 

[GodsGrace]

I don't know whether, @Christian Soldier , you want to wind me up or whether you do not have the mental capacity to remember what I tell you about myself and beliefs, neither of which bode well for any further discussion between us.

I was a 5-Point Calvinist for approx. 8 years, and defended the doctrine and Calvin himself. Oh dear, I feel so bad about it now. I read all the top writers and read all the top books.

Then, I began to notice a few things. One was that all the church members were intellectual middle/upper class who had known comfortable lives. Few if any deprived, abused members that I saw of which group I belonged.

Reformed theology would have me believe that it was God's will that I was severely ill at 10 months through mercury poisoning and that I grew up as the scapegoat in a narcissistic family system and it was God's desire for me to be molested by an uncle and grow up emotionally, physically and psychologically too damaged to function normally, marrying abusive men twice..

Then I got to find out how much cherry picking of verses went on, and how plain words like, the world, all, everyone were twisted to mean something else and the cat was out of the bag.

To top it all off, I heard that Calvin taught that God, for His own good pleasure, allows some men to think they are saved when in fact they are not.

Yes I can quote you many texts that SEEM to back up the theology, taken out of context and many texts that show entire sanctification for God's people, taken IN context but I am not going to waste my time.

I thank God for those that are able to escape from that system.
And it's no use posting to the other member....I gave up long ago.
Nothing but laughing and sarcasm and no seriousness about a very
serious topic....

 

[GodsGrace]

The way for a person to become sinless for life......is to become a born again CHRISTian.

So, why does that make you sinless?

Its because the Law is removed from you, by the Cross of Christ, and that means the Law and Commandments, can never again DEFINE the Born again CHRISTian as a sinner and their deeds as sin.

The born again are "not under the Law, but UNDER GRACE"..

And this "made free from sin" is completed by the SAME Cross of Christ because..

"God hath made JESUS to be SIN FOR US"..... = US.. The Born again.

"Jesus is the ONE TIME>.. ETERNAL Sacrifice for sin"....

What is the end result?

The end result for the Born again, is that they are made righteous, forgiven all sin for all time, and have become "the RIGHTEOUSNESS of God, in Christ".

This is why the NT teaches that the born again are SAINTS who are "one with God" and are no longer of the world, because they are now born again into the Kingdom of God.

Behold, I'm sorry that other thread was locked. I thought we could have a good conversation.....


But, again, here's why I really believe the OSAS doctrine to be damning to some persons.
I've mentioned this to you before, and here, once again, is the reason why:
This is from post no. 1399 from a member:

"We know that saved people do commit sins like murder and adultery, but they don't lose their salvation because a believer is only saved once. Jesus came for this very reason, He came t atone for the past, present and future sins of His Elect Saints. So there is no sin which His Saints commit which Christ has not already paid for."

Do you agree with the above?
I THINK I read a post of yours some time ago that seemed to have the answer, and the answer would be yes.
I really would like to make sure.

 

[Taken]

It's important to understand that "Adam", the man, sin wasn't limited to him, in the garden humanity sinned.

We are not isolated individuals each independent of the others, so that whatever became of Adam has no bearing on me.

Disagree in part.

That which Adam DID…effected the bearing ON you and every manKind of being.

That which Adam BECAME…”a son of God”….was by the choices Adam made “to make his calling of belief, unto God”.

1 Cor 15:
[38] But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.


We get the prelude…ABOUT SEEDS…
They are IN the body, they reproduce the same KIND of thing…
If the thing is corrupt…so also is the offspring…
Plants body with its own seed.
Animals body with its own seed.
Human body with its own seed.

Plants have neither a soul or spirit.
Animals have a soul, but not a spirit.
Humans have a natural spirit (ie hearts truth) and a soul…Given them….(ie the MAKING), after man is “created”….(ie bodily formed.)

To the contrary, "Levi paid tithes to Melchizedek being in the loins of Abraham". Humanity isn't a series of individuals scattered across the millennia, rather, God created humanity in a man, and humanity has been unfolding like the petals of a flower.

The Hebrews/ Israelites (12 tribes) had / have a direct blood linage to Abraham…through ISAAC…(the promised son)

The Gentiles have a direct blood linage to Abraham…through ISHMAEL…(the NOT promised son…rather mans idea.)

Gentiles NOT in the promised sons bloodline lineage…..have opportunity to BECOME a son of Abraham, Issac, Jacob, and forward BY DEGREE….same as God does not HAVE babies, offsprings…..but Offers Son-ship status BY DEGREE…

Yes Humanity…is in regards to a HUMAN MAN…who each have FREEWILL..to BeCOME INCLUDED (applying to Gentiles) or EXCLUDED (cut off applying to ISRAEL)…or EXCLUDED (applying to Gentiles…who REJECT Gods OFFERING……of ADOPTION to become Gods son….God Inheritance.

God bless you.

Glory to God,
Taken[/QUOTE]

 

[GodsGrace]

Disagree in part.

That which Adam DID…effected the bearing ON you and every manKind of being.

That which Adam BECAME…”a son of God”….was by the choices Adam made “to make his calling of belief, unto God”.

1 Cor 15:
[38] But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.


We get the prelude…ABOUT SEEDS…
They are IN the body, they reproduce the same KIND of thing…
If the thing is corrupt…so also is the offspring…
Plants body with its own seed.
Animals body with its own seed.
Human body with its own seed.

Plants have neither a soul or spirit.
Animals have a soul, but not a spirit.
Humans have a natural spirit (ie hearts truth) and a soul…Given them….(ie the MAKING), after man is “created”….(ie bodily formed.)




The Hebrews/ Israelites (12 tribes) had / have a direct blood linage to Abraham…through ISAAC…(the promised son)

The Gentiles have a direct blood linage to Abraham…through ISHMAEL…(the NOT promised son…rather mans idea.)

Gentiles NOT in the promised sons bloodline lineage…..have opportunity to BECOME a son of Abraham, Issac, Jacob, and forward BY DEGREE….same as God does not HAVE babies, offsprings…..but Offers Son-ship status BY DEGREE…

Yes Humanity…is in regards to a HUMAN MAN…who each have FREEWILL..to BeCOME INCLUDED (applying to Gentiles) or EXCLUDED (cut off applying to ISRAEL)…or EXCLUDED (applying to Gentiles…who REJECT Gods OFFERING……of ADOPTION to become Gods son….God Inheritance.

God bless you.

Glory to God,
Taken

Are you speaking of Romans 4:11?

 

[Runningman]

"The doctrine of depravity is the one Christian dogma that is empirically verifiable." - D.K. Chesterton

"Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me." - Psalm 51:5, NKJV

Gotta disagree with you, Runningman, both from a Biblical standpoint and from personal observation. We are born self-centered (babies want their needs met NOW, they don't care who it inconveniences, and they'll cry and scream until they get it), and from there we just learn how to conceal our sinfulness better.

Is it fair that we're born inclined to sin and then we're held accountable for our thoughts, words, and deeds? I don't know. Every time I complained as a kid, "That's not fair!", they told me, "Who said life was fair?"

There's got to be a better way.

Jesus also had the same needs as a regular baby, but we don't blame him do we? From a Biblical and personal observation I also have to disagree with you. How can God judge someone for what He is responsible for? The best answer is God is not morally or legally responsible for someone's choice to sin. Yes, this also is bad news for Calvin's TULIP.

 

[Runningman]

It suggests NO SUCH THING.

The FIRST man, was NOT born…rather CREATED……AND……MADE.

The First man, was CREATED, by being FORMED from dust of it’s intended Habitat…EARTH…

God revealed…He forms EVERY BODY (man, plants, animals)….AND TO EVERY SEED…God gives it it’s own body…and that body has it’s own seed, to REPRODUCE it’s SAME KIND OF THING…

Adam gained a counterpart, FEMALE, for companionship and ability for the male human to fertilize the Females seed (egg)…to procreate OFFSPRING…of THEIR same KIND of things.

BEFORE…this Created and Made “couple”…
EFFECTED…procreating an offspring ….
THEY VIOLATED the ONE………ONLY ONE thing they were WARNED to ignore….

THUS….their OFFSPRING…from there forward….ALL are procreated from a TAINTED SEED OF MANKIND…that as both “good and evil”.. to which each “individual” naturally born….MUST CHOOSE which they shall Accept or Reject…….Goodness or Evilness…

And that is what occurs for EVERY human’s Journey in Life……of which shall they Choose.

No natural born children are born BELIEVING IN the Lord God…it’s a JOURNEY…and it is a GIFT to parents to set their child on their life’s Journey KNOWING…good and evil…and the consequences for freely choosing either.

Glory to God,
Taken

Adam and Eve were sinless until they violated the commandment of God, yes? But sin didn't enter the world through them because it was already in the world. The first sinner was technically the talking snake who lied to them regarding their death, right? Yet Jesus was also descended geologically from the seed of Adam according to his genealogy. Can't have the entire world under born in sin [sic] without including Jesus who was innocent.

 

[GodsGrace]

"The doctrine of depravity is the one Christian dogma that is empirically verifiable." - D.K. Chesterton

"Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me." - Psalm 51:5, NKJV

Gotta disagree with you, Runningman, both from a Biblical standpoint and from personal observation. We are born self-centered (babies want their needs met NOW, they don't care who it inconveniences, and they'll cry and scream until they get it), and from there we just learn how to conceal our sinfulness better.

Is it fair that we're born inclined to sin and then we're held accountable for our thoughts, words, and deeds? I don't know. Every time I complained as a kid, "That's not fair!", they told me, "Who said life was fair?"

There's got to be a better way.

We're born inclined to sin.
But in order for an action (or omission) to be categorized as a sin,
we have to KNOW that what we're doing is a sin....
We have to willingly commit it.

A child cannot meet the above criteria in relation to God's laws...
only in regards to human morals.

Babies cry because they're hungry or tired or for other reasons.
They have needs that MUST be met...
they don't know about inconvenience or compassion...
these are qualities that are learned.

We can't hold children to the same standard as we hold persons that are
mature and understand what sin against God is.

 

[Taken]

Not been following along...
but
There's the usual misunderstanding here....
I believe that @Runningman is correct.

We are born tainted with sin...
we are born with the sin nature,

Agree.

but we are not born with personal sin accounted to us.

Disagree

Adam's sin had an effect on every human,

Agree.

but we are not imputed with his sin...

Adams choice, Adams seed.

WE did not sin but are only marked by his sin.

Marks in scripture I believe means FATE SEALED by the presence of the Mark.

I don’t believe humans are marked, by their human father.

Each man is responsible for his own sin:

Yep. True.

I have a question for you:
What sin has a baby committed?

Baby’s are naturally born from a CORRUPT mortal’s seed.
That is not a commission of sin.
That is their natural burden to Overcome or succumb to that burden.

That is their procreation…and immediately at their birth they are MADE, when gifted with the soul…that is without sin…
It’s the turd in the punch bowl syndrome…
A good soul entered into a corrupt body…and soon the soul begins becoming corrupted…

And WHY a soul requires …restoration…(pss23:3), called forgiveness and salvation.
And the spirit of man (truth in his heart) requires a rebirth from a new seed, Gods Seed.
And the body requires to become MADE DEAD, so a new body can be formed..ie glorified body.

While the individual babe had NO PART in deciding his natural birth….he has every opportunity from Gods Offering to become made a son of God.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Are you speaking of Romans 4:11?

In part.

 

[Taken]

Adam and Eve were sinless until they violated the commandment of God, yes?

Yes….and Neither were BORN.

But sin didn't enter the world through them because it was already in the world.

A SINNER was cast down to this world, BEFORE manKIND was created.

The first sinner was technically the talking snake who lied to them regarding their death, right?

No.
The first SINNER…and MURDERER (ie Killer of Gods Word)….was a highly, powerful, talented, beautiful, (and arrogant) created angel spirit..
He sinned in his own estate, Heaven, and was cast down from his estate to earth, and given a body without arms or legs that he would slither across the dust from which God would create manKind.

Yet Jesus was also descended geologically from the seed of Adam according to his genealogy. Can't have the entire world under born in sin [sic] without including Jesus who was innocent.

Jesus’ body…had no biological connection to a human man or human female….Not of a mans seed or females egg….not of their blood….not of their copulation…

Jesus’ is the WORD of God, and that holy thing (Gods WORD) came forth out from Gods mouth IN Heaven, IN a BODY God prepared, IN the likeness of a (Jewish) man, and sent to a Virgin womans’ womb (Upon her agreement), whom her and her betrothed were of the House of David….and such child would be born according to mans way…9 months in the womb….and be called JESUS….and be called the son of man OF the House of David…..

And Later “would be “ (and was some 30 years later)…called the Son of God…and the Christ Messiah of God.

According to mans LAW….JESUS was the LAWFUL child of Mary and Joseph….thus LEGALLY of the HOUSE of DAVID…thus LeGALLY Entitled to SIT on King David’s EVERLASTING Throne…which shall also come into fruition.

Jesus’ TOOK upon Himself the SEED of Abraham…SAME as does any GENTILE or offspring of ISHMAEL….who submit unto the Lord God…in confessed Belief…and receive His forgiveness and Salvation and Baptism of His Holy Spirit.

There is no such thing as Gods SEED…fertilizing a human females seed….

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

We're born inclined to sin.
But in order for an action (or omission) to be categorized as a sin,
we have to KNOW that what we're doing is a sin....
We have to willingly commit it.

A child cannot meet the above criteria in relation to God's laws...
only in regards to human morals.

Babies cry because they're hungry or tired or for other reasons.
They have needs that MUST be met...
they don't know about inconvenience or compassion...
these are qualities that are learned.

We can't hold children to the same standard as we hold persons that are
mature and understand what sin against God is.

God KNOWS the “natural spirit” (in the heart of EVERY human), regardless of its age, regardless of its existence in the era of historical time, regardless of it’s mortal death…

If a babe dies young, without having heard, or known of God……God already knows WHAT the babe…
WOULD have chosen…and saves the soul of that babe accordingly.

God CHOSE a few….and gave MANY the opportunity, order, way, consequence to CHOOSE Him…to whit He gave His Word to RESPOND in kind to those who do CHOOSE Him.

We can Observe…through ancient tablets, through historical records, through modern looking, listening….MANY have been called and MANY MANY, world wide …have heard and Rejected Gods way, order and offering.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[GodsGrace]

Agree.



Disagree

What you're disagreeing with is my statement that we are born with no sin IMPUTED to us....
IOW,,,,we have committed no sin at birth..we have no personal sin that can be attributed to us.

Again,,,if you think we DO have some sin on our soul,,,could you please tell me what it is.

Do you believe in original sin as Augustine described it?
Even the CC no longer believes in original sin as he described, or taught it.

Isaiah 7:16 states that the child the virgin will bear will need to know the difference between evil and good.
Do we want to believe that this applies ONLY to that child...or to every child? WHO is the bible written for?
It applies to every person born....

In order to sin a person must know the difference between good and evil.
If YOU are correct, mentally handicapped children and adults are going to hell.

John 9:39...Jesus tells the Pharisees that IF they were BLIND,,,they would not have been guilty of sin....
BUT SINCE THEY SEE,,,,they are guilty.

Personal guilt can only be appointed to those that understand sin.

Agree.



Adams choice, Adams seed.



Marks in scripture I believe means FATE SEALED by the presence of the Mark.

I'm not referring to MARK as someplace in scripture....which, if you want to discuss this, you'd have to provide verses.

I'm referring to MARK,,,as a bruise that we have on our soul due to Adam's sin.
We are born with this bruise
BUT NOT with any personal sin on our soul.

Again, we are each responsible ONLY for our own sin:
Do you not accept plain scripture?:

Ezekiel 18:19-20
19“Yet you say, ‘Why should the son not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity?’ When the son has practiced justice and righteousness and has observed all My statutes and done them, he shall surely live.
20“The person who sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.

I don’t believe humans are marked, by their human father.

Who are we humans marked by?
Adam or Eve?
Who did God make the Edenic Covenant with?
Who did Paul say through whom man fell, Adam or Eve?

Baby’s are naturally born from a CORRUPT mortal’s seed.
That is not a commission of sin.
That is their natural burden to Overcome or succumb to that burden.

Well, then state that a child must OVERCOME his sin nature...
You make it sound as if a child will go to hell if he dies because he has personal sin.

That is their procreation…and immediately at their birth they are MADE, when gifted with the soul…that is without sin…
It’s the turd in the punch bowl syndrome…
A good soul entered into a corrupt body…and soon the soul begins becoming corrupted…

OK Taken....Maybe I'm not understanding you.

Let's make it simple:
IF A 5 YEAR OLD DIES, DOES HE GO TO HELL?

And WHY a soul requires …restoration…(pss23:3), called forgiveness and salvation.
And the spirit of man (truth in his heart) requires a rebirth from a new seed, Gods Seed.
And the body requires to become MADE DEAD, so a new body can be formed..ie glorified body.

While the individual babe had NO PART in deciding his natural birth….he has every opportunity from Gods Offering to become made a son of God.

OK
WHEN does the above happen?
Are you saying this could happen BEFORE an age of reason when a child knows either good nor evil?

Just to explain: This is an important topic for me. I have Catholic friends that think their grandchild is going to hell because the parents won't baptize the baby....they're a bit behind in the times, but I can't address that beyond a certain point. Augustine began this problem....400 years after Jesus ascended - so it is NOT a doctrine that can be found in the bible. Babies do not go to hell.

 

[GodsGrace]

God KNOWS the “natural spirit” (in the heart of EVERY human), regardless of its age, regardless of its existence in the era of historical time, regardless of it’s mortal death…

If a babe dies young, without having heard, or known of God……God already knows WHAT the babe…
WOULD have chosen…and saves the soul of that babe accordingly.

God CHOSE a few….and gave MANY the opportunity, order, way, consequence to CHOOSE Him…to whit He gave His Word to RESPOND in kind to those who do CHOOSE Him.

We can Observe…through ancient tablets, through historical records, through modern looking, listening….MANY have been called and MANY MANY, world wide …have heard and Rejected Gods way, order and offering.

Glory to God,
Taken

Except a child is in no position to choose or reject.
Your idea of God foreknowing what the child WOULD HAVE chosen is interesting....
but we still would have a result of children being in hell....
and, as I've stated in my post just above this one....
this is not a biblical concept...it's stated NOWHERE in scripture.

We must accept what is stated in scripture and not go beyond that and make up our own private doctrine.

IOW, could you post some verses to support your theory?
I can't think of any.

 

[Taken]

Except a child is in no position to choose or reject.
Your idea of God foreknowing what the child WOULD HAVE chosen is interesting....
but we still would have a result of children being in hell....
and, as I've stated in my post just above this one....
this is not a biblical concept...it's stated NOWHERE in scripture.

We must accept what is stated in scripture and not go beyond that and make up our own private doctrine.

IOW, could you post some verses to support your theory?
I can't think of any.

I have no scriptures to support theories.

However there are Scriptures that support God is Just, God is Faithful, God is all Knowing which I find sufficient in trusting those WHO confess believing and trusting Christ the Lord God, the Lord shall redeem them and those WHO believe in their heart (spirit) in God, in Jesus, God shall redeem them.
And also believe Gods ALL knowing is not constrained or limited by Time or space.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[GodsGrace]

I have no scriptures to support theories.

However there are Scriptures that support God is Just, God is Faithful, God is all Knowing which I find sufficient in trusting those WHO confess believing and trusting Christ the Lord God, the Lord shall redeem them and those WHO believe in their heart (spirit) in God, in Jesus, God shall redeem them.
And also believe Gods ALL knowing is not constrained or limited by Time or space.

Glory to God,
Taken

But a theory MUST be backed by scripture in order for it to be accepted.

But let me ask you this:
You say God is a just God.

What does Just mean??

I'll give you the answer...
JUST means to give to each person what they DESERVE.

How does a person that does not know what sin is DESERVE hell?

To deserve hell we must be sinning,
know it,
and not care.

Paul stated who was going to hell:
1 Corinthians 6:9-10
9Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.


Do you know of any children who are knowingly doing any of the above?

 

[Taken]

But a theory MUST be backed by scripture in order for it to be accepted.

But let me ask you this:
You say God is a just God.

What does Just mean??

I'll give you the answer...
JUST means to give to each person what they DESERVE.

How does a person that does not know what sin is DESERVE hell?

To deserve hell we must be sinning,
know it,
and not care.

Paul stated who was going to hell:
1 Corinthians 6:9-10
9Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.


Do you know of any children who are knowingly doing any of the above?

All are born in sin………
Pss 51:5

By your account of Just…all deserve to die.

By Scripture account …all bodys shall die.
Gen 9:5

By Scriptural knowledge…God is all knowing.
Heb 4:3

By Scriptural knowledge…the Lord God shall Judge.

Are you concerned Gods Judgement will not be just, regarding children?
I’m not.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[GodsGrace]

All are born in sin………
Pss 51:5

By your account of Just…all deserve to die.

By Scripture account …all bodys shall die.
Gen 9:5

By Scriptural knowledge…God is all knowing.
Heb 4:3

By Scriptural knowledge…the Lord God shall Judge.

Are you concerned Gods Judgement will not be just, regarding children?
I’m not.

Glory to God,
Taken

I'm not either Taken.
Because children cannot and will not be judged.
I gave you enough verses that pertain EXACTLY to this.

And Psalm 51:5 is taken so out of context that I tire to repeat it anymore.
Look into it...it doesn't mean a person was born into sin.