Why do people share names & numbers of verses but NOT the verses themselves?

[NotTheRock]

Is it out of laziness? One who wants to be more easily understood should copy & paste the entire verse. Spoon-feed it to the reader(s). Why make the reader(s) jump through the proverbial hoops of having to look up every passage when the writer could just as easily provide the entire verse(s) in the first place? I dare say that management might consider making it a requirement. @Angelina

 

[Ritajanice]

Hello Not The Rock,do you think it maybe to do with, taking up to much space on a page?

As in, just posting the scripture by numbers/ verses, we can just look them up.

I understand what you mean though..I was thinking yesterday, why not put the whole scripture verses up, in a certain thread, then we can immediately refer to it..

Carl was talking about Acts in the Bible study thread...I very nearly asked him ,if I could put that whole scripture up on the page ,that he asked us to refer to, then it would be there immediately to read..then again I thought, if he allowed me to do that, after a few posts from members, the scripture would disappear pretty quickly, do you see what I mean?

 

[NotTheRock]

Hello Not The Rock,do you think it maybe to do with, taking up to much space on a page?

I think it's a lack of ambition.

 

[Rita]

In all fairness it could be argued that it’s equally lazy not to look up verses for ourselves. Although I understand the frustration at times it would be quite difficult, and time consuming to monitor if there was a rule put in place to demand that whole verses are a requirement.
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[NotTheRock]

In all fairness it could be argued that it’s equally lazy not to look up verses for ourselves. Although I understand the frustration at times it would be quite difficult, and time consuming to monitor if there was a rule put in place to demand that whole verses are a requirement.
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The Catholic Catechism is a good example. The Catholic Church cites countless verses. However, they apparently expect millions of readers to jump through the hoops of looking up the verses rather than providing the verses within their Catechism.

One who wants to help their fellow Christians to understand should, in my humble opinion, share the relevant scriptures in their entireties.

I see a lot of posts here wherein posters write a proverbial DISSERTATION to advance a theological position but won't include the verbiage to the scriptures that they cite. I think that's a mistake and then they wonder why few (if any) respond. My humble advice is to MAKE IT EASY FOR THE READER by providing the scriptures.

 

[St. SteVen]

I think it's a lack of ambition.

I'm thinking that it probably goes in the other direction. (over-ambitious)
But probably under-supported. Tagging their over-inflated claims with dozens
of Bible references is an attempt to give their opinions divine authority.

In the hopes of winning the argument, or making their position irrefutable,
they will through as many references as "Proof-Texts" as they can dig up.
If you challenge them they may likely retort: "Who should I believe, you or God?" - LOL

In my experience one or two COMPLETE scriptures is enough to make a point.

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[Wynona]

Lol. Guilty as charged. I don't think people read verses I post, so I tend to shorten it to a reference. There have been so many times people clearly didn't read my posts that I just go for short and to the point now.

 

[Rita]

The Catholic Catechism is a good example. The Catholic Church cites countless verses. However, they apparently expect millions of readers to jump through the hoops of looking up the verses rather than providing the verses within their Catechism.

One who wants to help their fellow Christians to understand should, in my humble opinion, share the relevant scriptures in their entireties.

I see a lot of posts here wherein posters write a proverbial DISSERTATION to advance a theological position but won't include the verbiage to the scriptures that they cite. I think that's a mistake and then they wonder why few (if any) respond. My humble advice is to MAKE IT EASY FOR THE READER by providing the scriptures.

I kind of sit in the middle with this ( as a member, not in an official way ! lol ) If a post has loads of verses it puts me off as it does make the post so long. If however I am interested in a point being raised, it challenges me to go to the Bible and investigate Myself on the subject. Just someone else quoting a verse doesn’t always mean it’s in context. On the other hand sometimes , when it’s only a few verses, it helps.

 

[Johann]

I kind of sit in the middle with this ( as a member, not in an official way ! lol ) If a post has loads of verses it puts me off as it does make the post so long. If however I am interested in a point being raised, it challenges me to go to the Bible and investigate Myself on the subject. Just someone else quoting a verse doesn’t always mean it’s in context. On the other hand sometimes , when it’s only a few verses, it helps.

Praise God for Scripture barrages! Unleashed double barrels.

J.

 

[Rita]

Praise God for Scripture barrages! Unleashed double barrels.

J.

Yes, I do get that xx ( sometimes I just read verses out loud - did that years ago as an exercise after Reading ‘ victory over the Darkness ‘. I was skeptical that it would have an impact, but it was very interesting.……..I believe that was when I learned the truth that satan couldn’t read my mind- so speaking Gods word and truth had a greater impact.
When studying I just prefer context as it can change the whole meaning of a verse.

 

[Johann]

Yes, I do get that xx ( sometimes I just read verses out loud - did that years ago as an exercise after Reading ‘ victory over the Darkness ‘. I was skeptical that it would have an impact, but it was very interesting.……..I believe that was when I learned the truth that satan couldn’t read my mind- so speaking Gods word and truth had a greater impact.
When studying I just prefer context as it can change the whole meaning of a verse.

Praise God for devoted students in these end times, like the noble Bereans who “received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so” (Acts 17:11, NKJV).

I’m not Pentecostal, but you’re absolutely right-Satan can’t read our minds, but he can study us daily. He’s described as “prowling around like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour” (1 Peter 5:8).

God bless.

J.

 

[Ritajanice]

I see a lot of posts here wherein posters write a proverbial DISSERTATION to advance a theological position but won't include the verbiage to the scriptures that they cite

I agree.

I just scroll past them to be honest....intellectual knowledge of the Bible is boring to read for me....of course for some it’s very interesting...it may also very interesting for you to read as well..we all have different interests regarding the word of God...some also love reading all about the History Of Jesus........I love all that is of Spirit...I like reading all about the heart of God ,getting stuck in deep, within Gods beautiful heart, if that makes sense.which I’m sure it does to you...

There is something here I believe for everyone imo...intellectual knowledge, heart knowledge, it’s all on the forum.

Bible Verses About Heart​

Bible verses related to Heart from the King James Version (KJV) by Relevance​

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Ezekiel 36:26 - A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

Psalms 51:10 - Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.

Jeremiah 17:9 - The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

Jeremiah 17:10 - I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.

Matthew 5:8 - Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

Hebrews 4:12 - For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Proverbs 4:23 - Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life.

Proverbs 3:5-6 - Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. (Read More...)

Psalms 34:18 - The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit.

Ezekiel 11:19 - And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:

Luke 12:33-34 - Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth. (Read More...)

Proverbs 21:2 - Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts.

Matthew 15:18-20 - But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. (Read More...)

James 4:8 - Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.

1 Samuel 16:7 - But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart.

1 Timothy 1:5 - Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:

 

[NotTheRock]

I agree.

I just scroll past them to be honest....intellectual knowledge of the Bible is boring to read for me....of course for some it’s very interesting...it may also very interesting for you to read as well..we all have different interests regarding the word of God...some also love reading all about the History Of Jesus........I love all that is of Spirit...I like reading all about the heart of God ,getting stuck in deep, within Gods beautiful heart, if that makes sense.which I’m sure it does to you...

There is something here I believe for everyone imo...intellectual knowledge, heart knowledge, it’s all on the forum.

Bible Verses About Heart​

Bible verses related to Heart from the King James Version (KJV) by Relevance​

- Sort By Book Order




Ezekiel 36:26 - A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

Psalms 51:10 - Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.

Jeremiah 17:9 - The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

Jeremiah 17:10 - I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.

Matthew 5:8 - Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

Hebrews 4:12 - For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Proverbs 4:23 - Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life.

Proverbs 3:5-6 - Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. (Read More...)

Psalms 34:18 - The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit.

Ezekiel 11:19 - And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:

Luke 12:33-34 - Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth. (Read More...)

Proverbs 21:2 - Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts.

Matthew 15:18-20 - But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. (Read More...)

James 4:8 - Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.

1 Samuel 16:7 - But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart.

1 Timothy 1:5 - Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:

Amazing post! Thank you!

 

[Augustin56]

It may be interesting to note that the Chapter and verse numbers weren't added till way late in the game. The Chapter divisions were done by the Archbishop of Canterbury, Stephen Langton, 1227 A.D. The Old Testament verse numbers were added by a Jewish rabbi, Nathan, around 1447 A.D., and the New Testament verse numbers were added by Robert Estienne in 1555 A.D.

The original Greek New Testament and Old Testament didn't have punctuation, paragraphs, capital letters, etc. One had to figure that out for oneself.

 

[St. SteVen]

In my experience one or two COMPLETE scriptures is enough to make a point.

But then I get blamed for lifting verses out of context. - LOL
There is no way to win with these folks.

Did they really want me to throw the whole book at them?

I was even accused not being a very good debater. Whatever...

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[NotTheRock]

I was even accused not being a very good debater. Whatever...

I personally don't care to debate but rather go where the scriptures take me. Many Christians try to force the scriptures to fit into their theology and it usually doesn't work. Pride is not helpful in understanding God.

 

[Bob Estey]

Is it out of laziness? One who wants to be more easily understood should copy & paste the entire verse. Spoon-feed it to the reader(s). Why make the reader(s) jump through the proverbial hoops of having to look up every passage when the writer could just as easily provide the entire verse(s) in the first place? I dare say that management might consider making it a requirement. @Angelina

I usually do include the text, but there are times you are very busy, and providing the text is time-consuming. If a person is willing to learn, why can't they look up the text?

 

[Behold]

If the Forum user interface, allows a verse to become opened/revealed, if you simply put your cursor arrow/bar on it, then that is probably, the best case scenario.

 

[Taken]

Why do people share names & numbers of verses but NOT the verses themselves?

For a number of reasons…
* Time consuming, when others have not asked.
* Post becomes too long, people scroll past long posts.
* Scripturally, listeners job to go look up, verify what they hear.
* Can’t find it, then ask the poster.
* Then should the poster give the whole text.
* And even then, they may not understand.
* Also…the referenced post sometimes has nothing to do with the point in question.