Hidden Mysteries of the Bible

[amigo de christo]

To LOVE YESHUA is to LOVE GOD . He who honors the SON , HONORS THE FATHER .
And do keep in mind That CHRIST is NO MINSTIR of SIN . SO if ya christ is holding rainbows and honors sins
IT AINT YESHUA

 

[Hidden In Him]

hey bro,

There is a reason people do what they do to a known false teacher, false prophet and cult leader.

you should not encourage anyone to read epi's stuff.. Nor should you attack people who try to appose him

Eternally Grateful, I mean you no disrespect, but as I said I didn't get here just yesterday. To call Epi a "cult leader" just because he rubs a few people the wrong way doctrinally is way out of bounds. John doesn't have a "cult," he has a studio and recording equipment, LoL, and it's kind of a shame that he can't post a simple thread without a bunch of people polluting it with judgemental accusations. Everyone on this forum is teaching something off base, sometimes wildly off base. Why single out one person when you're guilty of the same things? And no I'm not so dull-minded that I'd fall into the trap of "Well then what false doctrines do I teach?" If there was a little less finger pointing the question wouldn't even need to be asked. As it is, the finger pointers will stand in judgment for holding others to standards they themselves don't keep.

Blessings, and since you tagged me I assumed you were asking for a response, so I wrote one out in good will. Hope it finds you well.
- H

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Eternally Grateful, I mean you no disrespect, but as I said I didn't get here just yesterday. To call Epi a "cult leader" just because he rubs a few people the wrong way doctrinally is way out of bounds.

Hidden in him. I mean you no disrespect but I have known epi for years. I have seen him go from chatroom to chatroom with his cult mentality gathering disciples who blindly follow him and his perverted gospel which is no gospel at all

If it was just him rubbing people wrong. I would agree with you we all can rub people the wrong way

But please. Doo not disrespect me by thinking I do not know what I am talking about concerning this false teacher

John doesn't have a "cult," he has a studio and recording equipment, LoL,

lol. Do you even know what a cult is? Many cult leaders do exactly what epi does

and it's kind of a shame that he can't post a simple thread without a bunch of people polluting it with judgemental accusations.

I have yet to see much of what epi says have very Much truth to it. And many of us are sick and tired of his false theology forgive us if we are fed up. Sadly he has found a place in this chatroom to speak. Unlike most of the other chatrooms I have known him from where he lost that ability

Everyone on this forum is teaching something off base, sometimes wildly off base. Why single out one person when you're guilty of the same things?

It’s not just epi. Now your falsely accusing

And I am guilty? Of what please share.

And no I'm not so dull-minded that I'd fall into the trap of "Well then what false doctrines do I teach?" If there was a little less finger pointing the question wouldn't even need to be asked. As it is, the finger pointers will stand in judgment for holding others to standards they themselves don't keep.

Dude your accusing me of if you will not back your accusations then don’t accuse.

Blessings, and since you tagged me I assumed you were asking for a response, so I wrote one out in good will. Hope it finds you well.
- H

You want to friend a false teacher feel free

I want to spare people from his false teaching. Do you even know how he thinks we get to heaven? Do you agree with him?

 

[Hidden In Him]

But please. Doo not disrespect me by thinking I do not know what I am talking about concerning this false teacher

No, I'm not disrespecting you, and I wish you the best. But I've known the man for years as well, and while we had at least one run in, we worked through it. He got mad at me and me at him, LoL, but in general I've found him to be good-spirited. He's also on the more cerebral side and a freethinker. But given the history This forum has had, and the things it has allowed in the past, I honestly don't see how Episkopos is enemy #1. I just don't see it. In fact I've usually found him to be a pretty strong opponent of the kind of heresies that actually WERE a serious threat.

Anyway. not gonna belabor it forever.

Blessings in Christ,
- H

 

[Ritajanice]

Hi Epi.the key of David, sensitivity of spirit.

Sensitivity of spirit really resonated with my spirit.

We know the Love Of God in our hearts, after 33 years of becoming Born Again,I still cry over this, knowing how much he Loves me, I still at times feel unworthy of His Love..

Anyway,I am going to watch the whole of your podcast,as it’s all about the spiritual ,which I can’t get enough of, after all God is a Living Spirit ,who we get to know deep within our hearts/spirit.

When we open our heart to God imo ,he opens his heart to us...the more we let go of self/ ego/pride,he reveals more and more of himself to us,

Short commentary...God desires to reveal His heart to you. Jesus said, “Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you” (Matthew 7:7). When you ask to know the heart of God, you can be sure He will answer this prayer because it is His will for you to know Him!



Gods peace is another, staying in Gods peace is pretty mind blowing....it’s a mystery...

Just my thoughts Epi,...will get back to you,God willing, after I’ve watched it...

Ps, may we all stay in the Love and peace of Christ..InJesus Name...Amen!

Epi, just a question, we open our heart to love one another ,would you say that is an act from us, that we sincerely want to follow God’s heart?

Therefore if we come before him with a sincere heart ,he will open our heart to know him more,...after all God is a God Of Love....I pray that we all follow his heart/ not our own..self centred/me, me,/pride / ego/puffed up self....what purpose does it serve?

Short commentary..Jesus kept it simple. He taught and demonstrated that love is an action. As John explains, “Let us not love in word or in tongue, but in deed and in truth” (1 John 3:18). Faith transforms us into people of love who live differently in the world.


Open my heart Lord to Love one another in your name....would that be surrendering our hearts to the Love Of God, to love one another, unconditionally?
Again me mumbling my thoughts.
I will leave with this scripture.

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◄ 2 Corinthians 13:14 ►

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Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all. New Living Translation May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all. English Standard Version The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all. Berean Standard Bible The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with all of you. Berean Literal Bible The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with all of you.

 

[Ritajanice]

Epi, I’m on a roll,LOL

Another mystery..how he works in our hearts from the inside out ,making us into the image of Jesus.

Short commentary...Jesus says the pure in heart are blessed. how can we be pure in heart? Purity of the heart means being made clean through the Spirit and the Word. We must put God first in every thought, word, and action.

James 1:2-4. 2 Consider it pure joy, my brothers and sisters, whenever you face trials of many kinds, 3 because you know that the testing of your faith produces perseverance. 4 Let perseverance finish its work so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything.

 

[Lizbeth]

Hi Epi.the key of David, sensitivity of spirit.

Sensitivity of spirit really resonated with my spirit.

We know the Love Of God in our hearts, after 33 years of becoming Born Again,I still cry over this, knowing how much he Loves me, I still at times feel unworthy of His Love..

Anyway,I am going to watch the whole of your podcast,as it’s all about the spiritual ,which I can’t get enough of, after all God is a Living Spirit ,who we get to know deep within our hearts/spirit.

When we open our heart to God imo ,he opens his heart to us...the more we let go of self/ ego/pride,he reveals more and more of himself to us,

Short commentary...God desires to reveal His heart to you. Jesus said, “Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you” (Matthew 7:7). When you ask to know the heart of God, you can be sure He will answer this prayer because it is His will for you to know Him!



Gods peace is another, staying in Gods peace is pretty mind blowing....it’s a mystery...

Just my thoughts Epi,...will get back to you,God willing, after I’ve watched it...

Ps, may we all stay in the Love and peace of Christ..InJesus Name...Amen!

Epi, just a question, we open our heart to love one another ,would you say that is an act from us, that we sincerely want to follow God’s heart?

Therefore if we come before him with a sincere heart ,he will open our heart to know him more,...after all God is a God Of Love....I pray that we all follow his heart/ not our own..self centred/me, me,/pride / ego/puffed up self....what purpose does it serve?

Short commentary..Jesus kept it simple. He taught and demonstrated that love is an action. As John explains, “Let us not love in word or in tongue, but in deed and in truth” (1 John 3:18). Faith transforms us into people of love who live differently in the world.


Open my heart Lord to Love one another in your name....would that be surrendering our hearts to the Love Of God, to love one another, unconditionally?
Again me mumbling my thoughts.
I will leave with this scripture.

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◄ 2 Corinthians 13:14 ►

​

Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all. New Living Translation May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all. English Standard Version The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all. Berean Standard Bible The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with all of you. Berean Literal Bible The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with all of you. View attachment 51310

Rita, I found some things in the bible on the key of David and opening and shutting, and hope you'll find it edifying as I did:


Isa 22:20-24

And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will call my servant Eliakim the son of Hilkiah:

And I will clothe him with thy robe, and strengthen him with thy girdle, and I will commit thy government into his hand: and he shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and to the house of Judah.

And the key of the house of David will I lay upon his shoulder; so he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open.

And I will fasten him as a nail in a sure place; and he shall be for a glorious throne to his father's house.

And they shall hang upon him all the glory of his father's house, the offspring and the issue, all vessels of small quantity, from the vessels of cups, even to all the vessels of flagons.

In that day, saith the LORD of hosts, shall the nail that is fastened in the sure place be removed, and be cut down, and fall; and the burden that was upon it shall be cut off: for the LORD hath spoken it.



That Is. 22 prophecy is a messianic prophecy (layered in with a prophecy about Eliakim) foretelling of the coming of Christ. The government (key/rule/power/authority) shall be upon His shoulder. We can see the hint about His crucifixion with the reference to the nail, and that He would be cut down.



Luk 11:52

Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.

Rev 3:7-8

And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;

I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.



Rev 5:2

And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?

Rev 5:5

And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

Rev 5:9

And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

(See here is an example where He shuts the door to understanding of the book on the wise and learned but opens it to little children: Mat 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, “I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and have revealed them to babes. )



Worth noting also that Christ also has the key to the bottomless pit….ie, authority over it, to open and shut it. (Rev. 9:1, 20:1)



From what I can see, this is all pointing to and revealing Christ, His Kingship, power and authority to rule in David’s place (as David’s rule was a type and shadow of Christ and His kingdom) and restore David’s fallen tabernacle through the gospel. CHRIST is the key of David essentially, it represents HIS power/authority and it is He who opens and shuts, and who opens/reveals the book (scriptures). HE is the door to the kingdom and has the power/key to both open and shut it.



Jhn 10:7-9

Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.

All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.

I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.



Mat 25:10-13

And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.

Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.

But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.

Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.



Luk 13:25-28

When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:

Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.

But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.

There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

 

[Episkopos]

Rita, I found some things in the bible on the key of David and opening and shutting, and hope you'll find it edifying as I did:


Isa 22:20-24

And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will call my servant Eliakim the son of Hilkiah:

And I will clothe him with thy robe, and strengthen him with thy girdle, and I will commit thy government into his hand: and he shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and to the house of Judah.

And the key of the house of David will I lay upon his shoulder; so he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open.

And I will fasten him as a nail in a sure place; and he shall be for a glorious throne to his father's house.

And they shall hang upon him all the glory of his father's house, the offspring and the issue, all vessels of small quantity, from the vessels of cups, even to all the vessels of flagons.

In that day, saith the LORD of hosts, shall the nail that is fastened in the sure place be removed, and be cut down, and fall; and the burden that was upon it shall be cut off: for the LORD hath spoken it.



That Is. 22 prophecy is a messianic prophecy (layered in with a prophecy about Eliakim) foretelling of the coming of Christ. The government (key/rule/power/authority) shall be upon His shoulder. We can see the hint about His crucifixion with the reference to the nail, and that He would be cut down.



Luk 11:52

Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.

Rev 3:7-8

And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;

I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.



Rev 5:2

And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?

Rev 5:5

And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

Rev 5:9

And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

(See here is an example where He shuts the door to understanding of the book on the wise and learned but opens it to little children: Mat 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, “I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and have revealed them to babes. )



Worth noting also that Christ also has the key to the bottomless pit….ie, authority over it, to open and shut it. (Rev. 9:1, 20:1)



From what I can see, this is all pointing to and revealing Christ, His Kingship, power and authority to rule in David’s place (as David’s rule was a type and shadow of Christ and His kingdom) and restore David’s fallen tabernacle through the gospel. CHRIST is the key of David essentially, it represents HIS power/authority and it is He who opens and shuts, and who opens/reveals the book (scriptures). HE is the door to the kingdom and has the power/key to both open and shut it.



Jhn 10:7-9

Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.

All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.

I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.



Mat 25:10-13

And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.

Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.

But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.

Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.



Luk 13:25-28

When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:

Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.

But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.

There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

Not at all. How many have been conditioned to repeat that the answer to every question is Jesus? People parrot the word without any understanding of the question. And people get smug over this....smug in a continuing blindness and ignorance.

Jesus says to those who are shut out...I don't know WHERE you are coming from. These are rejected even though they are going TO Jesus.

Now this might be a little deeper than just answering...the answer is Jesus. ;)


Is such an endeavour too difficult? Is it worth the trouble to actually understand the biblical narrative? Or do we just say the answer is Jesus and remain confident?

 

[Behold]

Or do we just say the answer is Jesus and remain confident?

An unbeliever would have no reason to say that "Jesus is the Answer", and a Born again Believer understands that Jesus is always the answer.

Or as an apostle put it.... when Jesus asked if ""they would leave also..""

The apostle said...>>"Where else could we go"...

In other words. '"Lord, you are the Truth, you are the Savior, so, why would we look anywhere else, when you are the answer"

 

[Lizbeth]

Not at all. How many have been conditioned to repeat that the answer to every question is Jesus? People parrot the word without any understanding of the question. And people get smug over this....smug in a continuing blindness and ignorance.

Jesus says to those who are shut out...I don't know WHERE you are coming from. These are rejected even though they are going TO Jesus.

Now this might be a little deeper than just answering...the answer is Jesus. ;)


Is such an endeavour too difficult? Is it worth the trouble to actually understand the biblical narrative? Or do we just say the answer is Jesus and remain confident?

The key of David is laid upon His shoulder.......like where it says elsewhere the government (kingship) shall be upon His shoulder. It represents the power and authority given to Him by the Father to both open and shut, to loose and to bind. All authority (power) in heaven and earth given to Him. Christ and His gospel and KINGship/authority/kingdom IS the mystery of God hid from the foundation of the world that was hidden in the pages of the scroll/scripture for millennia but was revealed with His coming....Jesus, Son of God, revealed as Messiah/King and sacrificial Lamb of God. WORTHY of the key/government/authority to open and shut because He was slain.

 

[Behold]

To call Epi a "cult leader" just because he rubs a few people the wrong way doctrinally is way out of bounds.

Let me ask you 2 questions.. @Hidden In Him

1.) Do you believe that God gives righteousness to the believer?

2.) Do you believe that the Cross of Christ is about forgiveness of the sinner?

Well, "EPI", does not believe ither of those spiritual truths, and has posted against them both, multiple multiple times to me and to others on this very Forum.
And as far as i know, since "Epi" told us that, this year, time and time again.... he has not changed his false doctrine.

So, show us now, what you believe so that we can find out what your "doctrine" is all about, as we've understood "EPi's"..
Simply answer those 2 questions.

And a Yes or NO, is all we need.

 

[Ritajanice]

Epi, mysteries of the Bible, how about the mysteries of Gods heart, seek the Lord with all of our heart, with a truly sincere heart, then he will unlock his truths to our heart... he’s doing it to my heart...just my thoughts.

Ps..I don’t believe we are in the righteousness of Christ ,not until our spirit is Born Of God’s seed.

Ephesians 1:18

The Voice

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18 Open the eyes of their hearts, and let the light of Your truth flood in. Shine Your light on the hope You are calling them to embrace. Reveal to them the glorious riches You are preparing as their inheritance.

 

[Episkopos]

The key of David is laid upon His shoulder.......like where it says elsewhere the government (kingship) shall be upon His shoulder. It represents the power and authority given to Him by the Father to both open and shut, to loose and to bind. All authority (power) in heaven and earth given to Him. Christ and His gospel and KINGship/authority/kingdom IS the mystery of God hid from the foundation of the world that was hidden in the pages of the scroll/scripture for millennia but was revealed with His coming....Jesus, Son of God, revealed as Messiah/King and sacrificial Lamb of God. WORTHY of the key/government/authority to open and shut because He was slain.

You are citing Is. 22 and the man called Eliakim....meaning, God will raise up. And this takes place at the same time that Shebna is downgraded.

To write this off as just another chance to say Jesus is the answer is both shallow and misleading. Eliakim represents the church of Philadelphia...and Shebna the church of Laodicea. The one is elevated while the other is cast down.

We see the same thing with Yom Kippour. The sacrificed goat is not Jesus, and the scapegoat is not Jesus...even though Christ tastes of the same death we do. The parallels are for us...not just to write off OUR responsibilities onto Jesus as ALL religiously indoctrinated people do...as in...I won't be judged by what I did...but what Jesus did for me...etc.

You are trying to explain away something that has a deeper significance than just another means to self-justify and virtue signal one's own precise salvific beliefs. Quite the opposite. Those who understand prophetic things are more able to depart from iniquity....fearing the Lord.

So unless you are ready to go beyond the "Jesus is Lord" catch all...to find out WHO will rule with Him...

 

[Behold]

...not just to write off OUR responsibilities onto Jesus

The Born again.... have no responsibility to try to perform for God, to try keep ourselves saved.
The Born again.... have no responsibility to try to be good, and do righteousness, so that God will accept us.

See, God accepted the sinner, "while we were yet sinners'.....

God justifies "the ungodly"....

Why is that?
Its Because God only accepts what Jesus has accomplished.... to accept anyone.

 

[Episkopos]

The Born again.... have no responsibility to try to perform for God, to try keep ourselves saved.
The Born again.... have no responsibility to try to be good, and do righteousness, so that God will accept us.

See, God accepted the sinner, "while we were yet sinners'.....

God justifies "the ungodly"....

Why is that?
Its Because God only accepts what Jesus has accomplished.... to accept anyone.

You are looking for a carte blanche to be forgiven your sins...so you follow Jesus Barabbas...thinking that he is the Messiah. Following Jesus of Nazareth takes you to the cross to be crucified with Him so that your sin nature in crucified, freeing the inner man to be set free so that you can then walk in His resurrection life. But to a Gnostic fundamentalist like yourself, that makes no sense at all. I thank God for the way that God hides the truth from the self-seekers.

 

[Ritajanice]

Following Jesus of Nazareth takes you to the cross to be crucified with Him so that your sin nature in crucified, freeing the inner man to be set free so that you can then walk in His resurrection life

Amen!!..that’s divine heart revelation you have there Epi..imo.

 

[Behold]

You are looking for a carte blanche to be forgiven your sins..

Actually, what im doing on your Threads, is drawing a distinction between understanding God's Grace, and misunderstanding it.
Between preaching it, and denying.


See, you always try to subvert the Forgiveness of God, that is Freely given, that is God's GRACE... and covers all sins, with... "you have all this to do, to get it". And then you explain that to be about doing, whatever it is that you teach that you need to be doing,..... is somehow a mystical teaching that you were sent to expound.

And the reality is... your Legalism can't Teach God's Grace, as the Cross of Christ, because its not known to you.

What is known to you is "im trying to do righteousness", is the whole of my religion.

 

[Lizbeth]

You are citing Is. 22 and the man called Eliakim....meaning, God will raise up. And this takes place at the same time that Shebna is downgraded.

To write this off as just another chance to say Jesus is the answer is both shallow and misleading. Eliakim represents the church of Philadelphia...and Shebna the church of Laodicea. The one is elevated while the other is cast down.

We see the same thing with Yom Kippour. The sacrificed goat is not Jesus, and the scapegoat is not Jesus...even though Christ tastes of the same death we do. The parallels are for us...not just to write off OUR responsibilities onto Jesus as ALL religiously indoctrinated people do...as in...I won't be judged by what I did...but what Jesus did for me...etc.

You are trying to explain away something that has a deeper significance than just another means to self-justify and virtue signal one's own precise salvific beliefs. Quite the opposite. Those who understand prophetic things are more able to depart from iniquity....fearing the Lord.

So unless you are ready to go beyond the "Jesus is Lord" catch all...to find out WHO will rule with Him...

Hmmm, so you believe the key of David has nothing to do with the power/authority and kingship of Jesus and that where the bible mentioned the key of David it is talking about "sensitivity to the Spirit". And here's me thinking it is a Messianic prophecy, formerly hidden in the Eliakim narrative, but now revealed.

Has nothing to do with self justifying or writing off responsibilities at all, nothing of the kind even entered my head. I'm focused only on the key of David and what I see the bible showing us about what it means. Why is it called DAVID's key? Because David was King of the kingdom of Israel which was a type/shadow of the coming King and kingdom of God. And you believe that believing this is somehow shirking Christian responsibility. That's a strange conclusion...I dont' see any connection at all with believing these things that I'm talking about and self-justifying or shirking responsibility for anything.

 

[Lizbeth]

The Born again.... have no responsibility to try to perform for God, to try keep ourselves saved.
The Born again.... have no responsibility to try to be good, and do righteousness, so that God will accept us.

See, God accepted the sinner, "while we were yet sinners'.....

God justifies "the ungodly"....

Why is that?
Its Because God only accepts what Jesus has accomplished.... to accept anyone.

We are accepted IN the Beloved. So, being IN Him, IN Christ the Beloved, we are accepted because He is accepted and His offering/sacrifice on our behalf was accepted. HE is the cleft of the rock in which we are hid from God's consuming fire/wrath. But we do have responsibilities. If we love Him we will keep His commands. If we would be His disciples we will deny ourselves and take up our cross and follow Him. If there is nothing required on our part now we might as well just throw out a huge portion of the new testament including the teachings of Jesus.

 

[Episkopos]

Hmmm, so you believe the key of David has nothing to do with the power/authority and kingship of Jesus and that where the bible mentioned the key of David it is talking about "sensitivity to the Spirit". And here's me thinking it is a Messianic prophecy, formerly hidden in the Eliakim narrative, but now revealed.

The key of David is the kind of faith...heart faith, that moves God and UNLOCKS His grace.

Has nothing to do with self justifying or writing off responsibilities at all, nothing of the kind even entered my head. I'm focused only on the key of David and what I see the bible showing us about what it means. Why is it called DAVID's key? Because David was King of the kingdom of Israel which was a type/shadow of the coming King and kingdom of God.

There is a certain verse that says that the inhabitants of the eternal Zion...that the LEAST of them shall be as David. This is not about a certain political position....but rather a character that is based on faithfulness to God's heart. A man after God's own heart. Based on heart obedience, heart faith...

And you believe that believing this is somehow shirking Christian responsibility. That's a strange conclusion...I dont' see any connection at all with believing these things that I'm talking about and self-justifying or shirking responsibility for anything.

The mystery of Christ remains a mystery to those who just see Jesus as the answer to the imaginary quiz that many think they will pass on judgment day.