CALVINISM: The height of Spiritual depravity

[O'Darby]

That actually makes some sense.

Yes, it's become hugely influential. It does expand the concept of God's omniscience to a mind-boggling extent (every conceivable choice and decision of every individual in every possible world???) but why should God not be "maximally omniscient"? :)

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

Yes, it's become hugely influential. It does expand the concept of God's omniscience to a mind-boggling extent (every conceivable choice and decision of every individual in every possible world???) but why should God not be "maximally omniscient"? :)

Funny, that was always my assumption.

If more people thought that way there would be less carnal sinning IMO.... Because it is being, or might seen.

 

[Logikos]

FLAW?

First flaw..... This that is counter to itself . "foreknowledge is the cause of the foreknown events"
Knowing something is going to happen does not cause the thing to happen.

It does not make that argument.

Of course, you knew that when you wrote this. I don't understand that kind of dishonesty and self-deception.

The rest of your post is nothing but an emotional and irrational rant that demonstrates that you aren't here to have real conversation with people. You aught to be embarrassed but I know that you are not.

It seems you've found a place here to call home!

Proverbs 14:7: "Go from the presence of a foolish man, when you do not perceive in him the lips of knowledge."

Buh bye!

 

[Behold]

The root of Calvinism, is Pride.

This self centered Pride in Calvin... decided that only those who are somehow worthy to become the Elect, are saved, and the rest, are chosen to go to Hell and Burn in the Lake of Fire.

So, this idea of "Us" the Elect.. vs all the rest of you, that God wont have.......

See that?
That is PRIDE..and its the worst sort, as it a SINNER, claiming to be something that God will accept, while denying the same to other sinners.

Calvinism, is a lie of the DEVIL, and TULIP is worse, as its just Calvin's Cross Denying Grace insulting Theology, evolved.

 

[Bruce-Leiter]

I have found that Calvinist have rejected the God of the Bible and have fabricated the God of Calvinism. The God of Calvinism does not believe the God of the Bible because the God of the Bible refutes the God of Calvinism. The scripture says, "Thou shalt not have any other God's before me". Calvinism is another God.

I am a Calvinist and have only ONE God, the Triune God of the Bible. Who is yours, Robert?

 

[Bruce-Leiter]

God did NOT decide only a few would be allowed to be saved.

The Father sovereignly decided to make man in His own Image which is why all men have free will. He said in His Word than we are predestined to be conformed to the image of Jesus Christ (Romans 8:29), and we are to be followers of God as dear children (Ephesians 5:1)

God's Word says man is without excuse (Romans 1:20), the grace that brings salvation has come upon all men (Titus 2:11-13)

God's Word says it's not God's will that any perish and He wants all to come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9), and He has commanded men everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30), and has given every man faith (Romans 12:3)

Jesus said if He be lifted up He would draw all men until Himself (John 12:32), and Jesus has tasted of death for every man (Hebrews 2:9)

In light of all these scriptures, we can say for sure that limited atonement taught by John Calvin is false doctrine and is in opposition to what God says.

Sir, you pile a lot of verses taken out of context to say what? That everyone will be saved in the end? The Bible does not say that at all.

 

[brightfame52]

The root of Calvinism, is Pride.

This self centered Pride in Calvin... decided that only those who are somehow worthy to become the Elect, are saved, and the rest, are chosen to go to Hell and Burn in the Lake of Fire.

So, this idea of "Us" the Elect.. vs all the rest of you, that God wont have.......

See that?
That is PRIDE..and its the worst sort, as it a SINNER, claiming to be something that God will accept, while denying the same to other sinners.

Calvinism, is a lie of the DEVIL, and TULIP is worse, as its just Calvin's Cross Denying Grace insulting Theology, evolved.

I would argue that the root of freewill religion is pride. For it advocates that salvation is by the will of man.

 

[Bruce-Leiter]

The root of Calvinism, is Pride.

This self centered Pride in Calvin... decided that only those who are somehow worthy to become the Elect, are saved, and the rest, are chosen to go to Hell and Burn in the Lake of Fire.

So, this idea of "Us" the Elect.. vs all the rest of you, that God wont have.......

See that?
That is PRIDE..and its the worst sort, as it a SINNER, claiming to be something that God will accept, while denying the same to other sinners.

Calvinism, is a lie of the DEVIL, and TULIP is worse, as its just Calvin's Cross Denying Grace insulting Theology, evolved.

You have it wrong again, brother. We who are elect are never worthy of election; it's all by God's grace (free acceptance--Ephesians 2:8-10) in Jesus that he saves us. I can only have assurance of God's work in my life that he has chosen me, but I don't know for sure who else is the elect because I cannot see their hearts. Only God knows for sure. Read Calvin's Institutes of the Christian Religion for the best view of Calvinism, not what people have said about it. The original sources are always the best.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The root of Calvinism, is Pride.

This self centered Pride in Calvin... decided that only those who are somehow worthy to become the Elect, are saved, and the rest, are chosen to go to Hell and Burn in the Lake of Fire.

So, this idea of "Us" the Elect.. vs all the rest of you, that God wont have.......

See that?
That is PRIDE..and its the worst sort, as it a SINNER, claiming to be something that God will accept, while denying the same to other sinners.

Calvinism, is a lie of the DEVIL, and TULIP is worse, as its just Calvin's Cross Denying Grace insulting Theology, evolved.

ONce agaion all you have done is prattle on with you rown opinions and refuse to provide Scripture to back up your verbage.

 

[Spyder]

English Standard Version John 14:6
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."


English Standard Version John 6:44
"No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day."


I find no verse that tells me the method used by Yahweh in deciding whom to draw. Maybe someone can point out that passage for us.

 

[brightfame52]

English Standard Version John 14:6
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."


English Standard Version John 6:44
"No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day."


I find no verse that tells me the method used by Yahweh in deciding whom to draw. Maybe someone can point out that passage for us.

He draws His elect, the ones He gives to Christ to save. The ones He draws are the same ones He gives Jn 6:37

37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

Also the word draw in Jn 6:44 is made from the greek word haireō:

1. to take for oneself, to prefer, choose
2. to choose by vote, elect to office

Its the same word used here 2 Thess 2:13

But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

So the method is His own Sovereign choice, thats who He draws.

 

[Spyder]

He draws His elect, the ones He gives to Christ to save. The ones He draws are the same ones He gives Jn 6:37

37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

Also the word draw in Jn 6:44 is made from the greek word haireō:

1. to take for oneself, to prefer, choose
2. to choose by vote, elect to office

Its the same word used here 2 Thess 2:13

But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

So the method is His own Sovereign choice, thats who He draws.

The one thing that catches my attention is the statement that we are to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling. I wonder how many take that statement seriously. Woe be to the one expecting entrance into the New Earth just to be told "I never knew you."

So many times people claimed that "this guy" or "that guy" is a real man of God - but their opinion does not count.

 

[brightfame52]

The one thing that catches my attention is the statement that we are to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling. I wonder how many take that statement seriously. Woe be to the one expecting entrance into the New Earth just to be told "I never knew you."

So many times people claimed that "this guy" or "that guy" is a real man of God - but their opinion does not count.

Sounds like you going to something different now

 

[Spyder]

Sounds like you going to something different now

While I don't understand your point here, I can tell you that God has lead me to solid ground. I see the error filled pathway that I travelled that was man-centered and not dependent on God for truth.