Run AWAY from Calvinism!

[Scott Downey]

Right; they're rhetorically asking the very same question Paul rhetorically poses in Romans 9:20... "...who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, 'Why have you made me like this?'”

Grace and peace to you, Scott.

12 For whoever has, to him more will be given, and he will have abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him.

God is at work, He is active, not passive.
Best to trust God as the ultimate perfect judge of all the earth who does what is right.

Abraham, a man highly favored with God, and God comes to speak with Abraham to discuss things.

Gen 18
16 Then the men rose from there and looked toward Sodom, and Abraham went with them to send them on the way. 17 And the Lord said, “Shall I hide from Abraham what I am doing, 18 since Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him? 19 For I have known him, in order that he may command his children and his household after him, that they keep the way of the Lord, to do righteousness and justice, that the Lord may bring to Abraham what He has spoken to him.” 20 And the Lord said, “Because the outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grave, 21 I will go down now and see whether they have done altogether according to the outcry against it that has come to Me; and if not, I will know.”

22 Then the men turned away from there and went toward Sodom, but Abraham still stood before the Lord. 23 And Abraham came near and said, “Would You also destroy the righteous with the wicked? 24 Suppose there were fifty righteous within the city; would You also destroy the place and not spare it for the fifty righteous that were in it? 25 Far be it from You to do such a thing as this, to slay the righteous with the wicked, so that the righteous should be as the wicked; far be it from You! Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?”

26 So the Lord said, “If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes.”

27 Then Abraham answered and said, “Indeed now, I who am but dust and ashes have taken it upon myself to speak to the Lord: 28 Suppose there were five less than the fifty righteous; would You destroy all of the city for lack of five?”

So He said, “If I find there forty-five, I will not destroy it.”

29 And he spoke to Him yet again and said, “Suppose there should be forty found there?”

So He said, “I will not do it for the sake of forty.”

30 Then he said, “Let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak: Suppose thirty should be found there?”

So He said, “I will not do it if I find thirty there.”

31 And he said, “Indeed now, I have taken it upon myself to speak to the Lord: Suppose twenty should be found there?”

So He said, “I will not destroy it for the sake of twenty.”

32 Then he said, “Let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak but once more: Suppose ten should be found there?”

And He said, “I will not destroy it for the sake of ten.” 33 So the Lord went His way as soon as He had finished speaking with Abraham; and Abraham returned to his place.

 

[Ritajanice]

4. John 15:26: The Holy Ghost testifies of Jesus Christ​

Jesus taught that “when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me” (John 15:26). Latter-day Saints believe that one of the main roles of the Holy Ghost is to testify of truth, especially of Jesus Christ and His divinity! It is only through the Holy Ghost that we can receive a testimony that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and the Redeemer of the World

 

[Ronald Nolette]

According to Paul's teaching.......Calvin, and Calvinism, is under a curse.

Galatians 1:8

So, if a person is teaching it, then that is on Them.

Why is it a Cursed doctrine of Devils?
Its because Calvinism, and TULIP change the Gift of The Cross, into....>>"only a select group are offered The Cross".

And the fact is, there is nothing more Satanic then to change the way that God offers Salvation, as The Cross of Christ, by limiting it.

No they do not change the gift of the cross. That is yo0u lying through your teeth! It is you who doesn't understand the mechanics of soteriology, so instead of learning the true Bible declarations, you lies, accuse and condemn people who share gods word.

Still waiting for you to back up that the five points of Calvinism is another gospel with Scripture. Or is it you do not have enough biblical knowledge to defend you rpositions of hate.

 

[TLHKAJ]

Ah, well let me ask you a question (rhetorical, really): If God knows beforehand (I'll talk about His foreknowledge in a moment) how people will respond ~ which He does, that's absolutely true ~ then, for those who He "knows beforehand" will respond negatively, why does He not do anything about it? <

You seem to not have an understanding of the will of man that is given by God.

There are so many scriptures that say "whosoever will" you'd have to do a lot of twisting to deny it.

Revelation 3:20
[20]Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

Revelation 22:17
[17]And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You seem to not have an understanding of the will of man that is given by God.

There are so many scriptures that say "whosoever will" you'd have to do a lot of twisting to deny it.

Revelation 3:20
[20]Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

Revelation 22:17
[17]And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

Your mistake here is that this is a simple statement of fact with the focus on whoever and not will. Verses like this say nothing about free will or election.

Instead of listing every person who will, Jesus makes it a generic statement of fact. Nothing to do with the free will of an unsaved person. But the bible does say much to the contrary.

Romans 8, 1 cor. 2, Jeremish, Isaiah alll show that an unsaved person cannot choose god nor even wants to.

 

[Ritajanice]

4. John 15:26: The Holy Ghost testifies of Jesus Christ​

Jesus taught that “when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me” (John 15:26). Latter-day Saints believe that one of the main roles of the Holy Ghost is to testify of truth, especially of Jesus Christ and His divinity! It is only through the Holy Ghost that we can receive a testimony that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and the Redeemer of the World

 

[Ritajanice]

Romans 8

King James Version

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8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[Atarah]

Both Calvin and Arminius confused the intended audience when interpreting scripture. Get the audience right, and the controversy dissipates. Of Covenants and Favour

 

[Behold]

No one ~ and certainly not John Calvin or any good Calvinist ~ denies that any man or woman makes a choice,

The fact is, "TULIP", denies that man is capable of choosing God, Christ, or any of it.

Research the "T" in TULIP, as you need to know something about it, before you continue to post deception.

 

[Behold]

Both Calvin and Arminius confused the intended audience when interpreting scripture. Get the audience right, and the controversy dissipates. Of Covenants and Favour

Calvin's issue was that HE ither didnt understand "fore-knowledge" or he did understand it ??????, but ither way, he falsely redefined it as "pre-destined" and that is where the ROT, the Theological Rot regarding His Theology, began, and then it just evolved into something worse.

TULIP is worse, but all of it is Demonic.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Never try to direct anyone into Calvinism, as thats the Devil's work, that is no different then directing them into Mormonism, or Mary Baker Eddy, or Scientology, or "Gnosticism" or into "the cult of Mary"... or... "how to become a JW".

Only "direct someone" to CHRIST, and after that, "direct them to Paul's doctrine", never Calvin's, and never anyone else's.

This retoric sounds like the present election - kill the opponent with accusations and don't process his policies.

 

[Behold]

This retoric sounds like the present election - kill the opponent with accusations and don't process his policies.

So, you have not read my previous 20 posts, across several Threads, including this one, that prove you are a dishonest person, or you are one who can't comprehend much.

Which is it, or is it both, @Carl Emerson ??

 

[amigo de christo]

When I heard this, my mind is made up.
J.

The inclusivains under the guidance of the harlot have been convinced to build a huge trogan horse
which it calleth love in order to allow this horse in
and as men sleep literally take captive and destroy all within to believe a lie .
A trogan horse all right .

 

[Carl Emerson]

So, you have not read my previous 20 posts, across several Threads, including this one, that prove you are a dishonest person, or you are one who can't comprehend much.

Which is it, or is it both, @Carl Emerson ??

You are really on form -

Is Scripture fodder for a fight or a treasure to be enjoyed?

 

[amigo de christo]

You are really on form -

Is Scripture fodder for a fight or a treasure to be enjoyed?

I ask out of curiousity . Do you have children named Trishia , eugene and phillip .
I grew up living next door to these three . Their mother had remarried a leon black .
I was just wondering if you are related to them .

 

[Behold]

You are really on form -

Is Scripture fodder for a fight or a treasure to be enjoyed?

You came to me, .. so, deal with what you invited, as you certainly made certain that your post sent to me, was not offering a friendly discussion.
You might reconsider your next one... and while you are there.........

Are you a Calvinist, or similar TULIP Head?

If so, are you a recent convert, or have you been one of those, all along?

 

[amigo de christo]

You came to me, .. so, deal with what you invited, as you certainly made certain that your post was not offering a friendly discussion.

Also, are you a Calvinist, or similar TULIP Head?

If so, are you a recent convert, or have you been one of those, all along?

TULIP . two lips . My advice is we heed the bible and if any man uses his two lips
and speaks in any way , any shape , any form or fashion that contradicts the scriptures , WE DONT HEED THEM TWO LIPS .
just a friendly reminder to all .

 

[amigo de christo]

4. John 15:26: The Holy Ghost testifies of Jesus Christ​

Jesus taught that “when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me” (John 15:26). Latter-day Saints believe that one of the main roles of the Holy Ghost is to testify of truth, especially of Jesus Christ and His divinity! It is only through the Holy Ghost that we can receive a testimony that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and the Redeemer of the World

Well what a lovely reminder my near and my dear sister . so tell me how come so many are heeding
another spirit which SURE seems to imply its not necessary to even BELEIVE JESUS IS THE CHRIST .
cause as you well wrote THE REAL SPIRIT testifies of who and what . JESUS THE CHRIST and ALL HIS LOVELY WORDS. WHICH are TRUTH
as the SPIRIT IS TRUTH as CHRIST IS TRUTH as GOD IS TRUTH .
WHY are so many now believing that the christain truth is no better than the muslims or any other CHRIST DENYING religoin .
cause as you well wrote the SPIRIT testifies of JESUS THE CHRIST
and no man can even calll HIM LORD but BY THE SPIRIT
and BY that same SPIRIT would not man call him accursed , AS DOES EVERY OTHER RELGION and mindset .
Just a friendly reminder that we ought to not once heed the voice of this lie of satans interfaith , this finding common ground
this bridge builders mindset that has only built a bridge that tries to link LIGHT with darkness . AND THAT bridge
DONT Exist and we have not business sitting under it either . LONDON bridge is falling down
WELL THAT THERE bridge is a gonna come CRASHING DOWN on the day of the LORD and its diverse inclusive tower
along with it . JESUS SHOULD NOT have been DENIED . and woe unto those who do so and did so .
GOD desires life for all , SO WE BETTER PREACH ETERNAL LIFE to them , AKA BELIEVE YE ON JESUS THE CHRIST .

 

[amigo de christo]

To the tune of LONDONS bridge is falling down .
Inclusive interfaith brides is coming down
coming down , coming down
that ol bridge is coming down ON JESUS CHRIST DAY .

 

[PinSeeker]

You seem to not have an understanding of the will of man that is given by God.

Fair enough, but I would say the same of you, TLHKAJ... a correct understanding, that is.

There are so many scriptures that say "whosoever will"...

No doubt true, but we can see that the "whosoever" used by both John in John 3:16 and Paul in Romans 10:12-13 is a direct reference to Joel's prophecy, specifically Joel 2:32, where God says that that 'whosover' is dependent on God's initial call by His Spirit, as I said above. Again:

"...it shall come to pass that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved. For in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be those who escape, as the Lord has said, and among the survivors shall be those whom the Lord calls" (Joel 2:32).​

You might also remember what Paul writes to the Philippian Christians. Yes, we do both the willing and working in the following passage, and freely so, but it is because God ~ the Holy Spirit ~ is working in us so that we do so:

"...work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure" (Philippians 2:13).​

Grace and peace to you, my friend.