Harvard professors argue that America needs a 'militant democracy' to stop Trump

[Raccoon1010]

On the news came up and important issue for US citizens to consider regarding possible constitutional rights violations promoted by both parties as desired in an article PDF on Harvard edu site which I also will link below. The Republican contender is the Fox news article and the democrat contender is the CNN news article. Little bit of toxic humor for good measure, hope it's not too offensive ;)

Harvard professors argue that America needs a 'militant democracy' to stop Trump

Harvard professors argue that America needs a 'militant democracy' to stop Trump

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics...donald-trump-democracy-threat-intv-newday.cnn

https://scholar.harvard.edu/sites/s...latt/files/chapter_8_ziblatt_and_levitsky.pdf

In the article from harvard.edu it states:

"A second strategy for confronting authoritarians—known as militant or defensive democracy—also emerged out of the trauma of 1930s Europe. The idea is that government authority and the law can be used to exclude and aggressively prosecute antidemocratic forces. The strategy was first implemented in post–World War II West Germany. Haunted by the experience of Hitler’s rise to power, the country’s postwar constitutional designers didn’t want their democratic government to stand by helplessly in the face of authoritarian threats from within"

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The two news articles appear to emphasize different language regarding a Harvad.edu article. I'm not sure I found the same article by the same author but the one above appears to discuss and old WWII idea. On the one side of their idea is a Trump republican candidate that they say are concerned about authoritarian conduct. And on the other side a promotion of militant or defensive democracy. Neither is related to the idea of the founding fathers constitution governing freedom of the citizens from government abuses or citizen abuses against citizens.

With the recent "considered" legal and also illegal immigration I find a statistic related to foreign-born citizens:

"he foreign-born or immigrant population (legal and illegal) hit new record highs in March 2024 of 51.6 million and 15.6 percent of the total U.S. population. Since March 2022 the foreign-born population has increased 5.1 million, the largest two-year increase in American history." Foreign-Born Population Grew by 5.1 Million in the Last Two Years

I certainly hope that the illegal influx of immigrants is addressed and that any persons that were brought in under the claim of "legal immigrant" has sworn the oath of citizenship and accepts the USA constitution and citizen duties as a core belief for their new life in the United States. I also hope that universities also adhere to those principles. The oath can be found here which relates to the news articles:

Chapter 2 - The Oath of Allegiance

“I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."

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To be honest, WWII was a traumatic and horrific war where American military and citizens lost their lives and loved ones, including my own family history. A good research on factual information related to that war and the different countries activities including war atrocities is invited. It is a massive information area that I'm not sure is fully covered for certain reasons.

The current election is an interesting one given the current state of world and US affairs. Cheers to All! ;)

 

[Raccoon1010]

I wonder if recent news reports relate somehow to the issues I presented in this thread?:

"In a landmark decision, the Supreme Court found presidents have absolute immunity for exercising their core constitutional powers and are entitled to a presumption of immunity for other official acts. The court also ruled that presidents do not have immunity for unofficial acts." https://www.npr.org/2024/07/08/g-s1...t-immunity-decision-affects-trump-legal-cases

"President Joe Biden on Monday called for an overhaul of the Supreme Court and a constitutional amendment limiting the power of his own office — reforms that might not be implemented but demonstrate his priorities in his final months in office." Biden says Supreme Court reforms are needed to counter an 'extreme and unchecked agenda'

 

[Raccoon1010]

I'm probably somewhat clear on the issue of a US presidency and US officials and US authorities in general which may have changed somewhat over the years.

I'm also probably somewhat clear on the design and authority under Kingdoms and Empires. I'm not sure everyone has studies the history what what can happen under certain rulers in Kingdoms and Empires which execute total power and authority and conduct control of the populations under them.

I know the history of the US settlers which came from various nations some of which to escape religious persecutions and harsh government control and abuses of power under rule in Kingdoms and also Empires, probably along with other reasons. The follow is a good start:

Colonial history of the United States - Wikipedia

From the website article:

"The colonial history of the United States covers the period of European colonization of North America from the early 16th century until the incorporation of the Thirteen Colonies into the United States in 1776 during the Revolutionary War. In the late 16th century, England, France, Spain, and the Dutch Republic launched major colonization expeditions in North America.[1] The death rate was very high among early immigrants, and some early attempts disappeared altogether, such as the English Lost Colony of Roanoke. Nevertheless, successful colonies were established within several decades."

 

[Raccoon1010]

How did the Nazi consolidate their power? – The Holocaust Explained: Designed for schools

From the article:

On the 28 February 1933, President Hindenburg signed the Emergency Decree for the Protection of the German People. This decree suspended the democratic aspects of the Weimar Republic and declared a state of emergency.

This decree gave the Nazis a legal basis for the persecution and oppression of any opponents, who were be framed as traitors to the republic. People could be imprisoned for any or no reason.

The decree also removed basic personal freedoms, such as the freedom of speech, the right to own property, and the right to trial before imprisonment.

Through these aspects the Nazis suppressed any opposition to their power, and were able to start the road from democracy to a dictatorship.

 

[Taken]

Harvard professors argue that America needs a 'militant democracy' to stop Trump

Steven Levitsky and Daniel Ziblatt advised pushing a "militant democracy" to ensure an "authoritarian figure" like former President Trump never rises to power again.“

Having a Degree from well known universities used to carry clout…
Being a Professor employed by well known universities used to carry clout…

Fact is… Long standing University Organizations are not excluded from corrupt, embarrassing and shameful practices.

The United States is a Constitutional Republic Government, based on Biblical Standards and Principles…
NOT a Democracy.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[David in NJ]

Harvard professors argue that America needs a 'militant democracy' to stop Trump

Steven Levitsky and Daniel Ziblatt advised pushing a "militant democracy" to ensure an "authoritarian figure" like former President Trump never rises to power again.“

Having a Degree from well known universities used to carry clout…
Being a Professor employed by well known universities used to carry clout…

Fact is… Long standing University Organizations are not excluded from corrupt, embarrassing and shameful practices.

The United States is a Constitutional Republic Government, based on Biblical Standards and Principles…
NOT a Democracy.

Glory to God,
Taken

i hope you know that 'they' are not just speaking about Trump but rather and more importantly it is for 'the dem/socialists' to
criminalize EVERYONE who voted for Trump.

Their socialist democracy is a one way deconstruction of the US Constitution.

Everyone who voted for Trump voted for the protection of the US Constitution and WE the PEOPLE need to fulfill the 1st and 2nd Amendments against these socialist elitists.

 

[Grailhunter]

On the news came up and important issue for US citizens to consider regarding possible constitutional rights violations promoted by both parties as desired in an article PDF on Harvard edu site which I also will link below. The Republican contender is the Fox news article and the democrat contender is the CNN news article. Little bit of toxic humor for good measure, hope it's not too offensive ;)

Harvard professors argue that America needs a 'militant democracy' to stop Trump

Harvard professors argue that America needs a 'militant democracy' to stop Trump

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics...donald-trump-democracy-threat-intv-newday.cnn

https://scholar.harvard.edu/sites/s...latt/files/chapter_8_ziblatt_and_levitsky.pdf

In the article from harvard.edu it states:

"A second strategy for confronting authoritarians—known as militant or defensive democracy—also emerged out of the trauma of 1930s Europe. The idea is that government authority and the law can be used to exclude and aggressively prosecute antidemocratic forces. The strategy was first implemented in post–World War II West Germany. Haunted by the experience of Hitler’s rise to power, the country’s postwar constitutional designers didn’t want their democratic government to stand by helplessly in the face of authoritarian threats from within"

=====================================================================

The two news articles appear to emphasize different language regarding a Harvad.edu article. I'm not sure I found the same article by the same author but the one above appears to discuss and old WWII idea. On the one side of their idea is a Trump republican candidate that they say are concerned about authoritarian conduct. And on the other side a promotion of militant or defensive democracy. Neither is related to the idea of the founding fathers constitution governing freedom of the citizens from government abuses or citizen abuses against citizens.

With the recent "considered" legal and also illegal immigration I find a statistic related to foreign-born citizens:

"he foreign-born or immigrant population (legal and illegal) hit new record highs in March 2024 of 51.6 million and 15.6 percent of the total U.S. population. Since March 2022 the foreign-born population has increased 5.1 million, the largest two-year increase in American history." Foreign-Born Population Grew by 5.1 Million in the Last Two Years

I certainly hope that the illegal influx of immigrants is addressed and that any persons that were brought in under the claim of "legal immigrant" has sworn the oath of citizenship and accepts the USA constitution and citizen duties as a core belief for their new life in the United States. I also hope that universities also adhere to those principles. The oath can be found here which relates to the news articles:

Chapter 2 - The Oath of Allegiance

“I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."

=========================================================================

To be honest, WWII was a traumatic and horrific war where American military and citizens lost their lives and loved ones, including my own family history. A good research on factual information related to that war and the different countries activities including war atrocities is invited. It is a massive information area that I'm not sure is fully covered for certain reasons.

The current election is an interesting one given the current state of world and US affairs. Cheers to All! ;)

One of the reasons that the founders wrote into the Constitution the right for the citizens to bear arms was so they would have a defense incase the government turned tyrannical.

What does tyrannical mean? Oppressive in a cruel and unfair manner. Does non-tyrannical mean lawlessness, anarchy or chaos. No. As far as the US we are definitely soft of criminals who have more rights and consideration than law abiding citizens.

As far as tyrannical….Kidnapping your child to do a sex change is a good example of tyrannical.

This link here has long list of tyrannical initiatives by the democrat party.

IS IT A SIN TO VOTE FOR A DEMOCRAT?

As far as a need for a militant democracy….I totally agree, a civil war between the left and the right….lets settle this thing.

Just because they call themselves democrats that does not mean they represent democracy.

But an alternative to civil war is already in place…..50 states. We can designate some states as conservative and others liberal. With the understanding that all their liberal initiatives are paid for by the citizens of that liberal state.

As far as taking up arms to defend Trump…..count me in!

 

[mailmandan]

 

[lforrest]

What would a civil war even look like. We are divided not by geographic boarders so there are no battle lines. It is neighbor against neighbor, and children against their parents. Instead of generals giving orders to go to battle, you have the devil whispering in each ear.

The left sides with criminal gangs while their politicians try to forbid any organization of a right wing people's militia. Meanwhile the three letter agencies work for the left, to undermine and dismantle right wing militias.

We are just fortunate that the loyalties of most are to their own wallets and purses. And they are not so blind as to not see their financial sufferings.

 

[ScottA]

On the news came up and important issue for US citizens to consider regarding possible constitutional rights violations promoted by both parties as desired in an article PDF on Harvard edu site which I also will link below. The Republican contender is the Fox news article and the democrat contender is the CNN news article. Little bit of toxic humor for good measure, hope it's not too offensive ;)

Harvard professors argue that America needs a 'militant democracy' to stop Trump

Harvard professors argue that America needs a 'militant democracy' to stop Trump

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics...donald-trump-democracy-threat-intv-newday.cnn

https://scholar.harvard.edu/sites/s...latt/files/chapter_8_ziblatt_and_levitsky.pdf

In the article from harvard.edu it states:

"A second strategy for confronting authoritarians—known as militant or defensive democracy—also emerged out of the trauma of 1930s Europe. The idea is that government authority and the law can be used to exclude and aggressively prosecute antidemocratic forces. The strategy was first implemented in post–World War II West Germany. Haunted by the experience of Hitler’s rise to power, the country’s postwar constitutional designers didn’t want their democratic government to stand by helplessly in the face of authoritarian threats from within"

=====================================================================

The two news articles appear to emphasize different language regarding a Harvad.edu article. I'm not sure I found the same article by the same author but the one above appears to discuss and old WWII idea. On the one side of their idea is a Trump republican candidate that they say are concerned about authoritarian conduct. And on the other side a promotion of militant or defensive democracy. Neither is related to the idea of the founding fathers constitution governing freedom of the citizens from government abuses or citizen abuses against citizens.

With the recent "considered" legal and also illegal immigration I find a statistic related to foreign-born citizens:

"he foreign-born or immigrant population (legal and illegal) hit new record highs in March 2024 of 51.6 million and 15.6 percent of the total U.S. population. Since March 2022 the foreign-born population has increased 5.1 million, the largest two-year increase in American history." Foreign-Born Population Grew by 5.1 Million in the Last Two Years

I certainly hope that the illegal influx of immigrants is addressed and that any persons that were brought in under the claim of "legal immigrant" has sworn the oath of citizenship and accepts the USA constitution and citizen duties as a core belief for their new life in the United States. I also hope that universities also adhere to those principles. The oath can be found here which relates to the news articles:

Chapter 2 - The Oath of Allegiance

“I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."

=========================================================================

To be honest, WWII was a traumatic and horrific war where American military and citizens lost their lives and loved ones, including my own family history. A good research on factual information related to that war and the different countries activities including war atrocities is invited. It is a massive information area that I'm not sure is fully covered for certain reasons.

The current election is an interesting one given the current state of world and US affairs. Cheers to All! ;)

IN SHORT-- THAT JUST MEANS THEY MEAN TO FIGHT BACK.

Which is not to say those Dems wanting to fight back are justified in doing so, or that they are the actual victim in this scenario--they are not. Actually, they are the aggressors, and it is Trump (and others) who are fighting back. And rather than a foreign precedent, the Trump action is legal and Constitutional. It's called" Continuity of Government (COG: a measure in place for times of national or international emergency). We are in it now--and have been since 2020. Most of what we have been witnessing since 2020 is a covert and made up continuance of government activities until the threat is resolved.

For more information, do a thorough study of Continuity of Government.

 

[David in NJ]

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AWESOME and TRUE and RELIABLE

 

[Grailhunter]

What would a civil war even look like. We are divided not by geographic boarders so there are no battle lines. It is neighbor against neighbor, and children against their parents. Instead of generals giving orders to go to battle, you have the devil whispering in each ear.

The left sides with criminal gangs while their politicians try to forbid any organization of a right wing people's militia. Meanwhile the three letter agencies work for the left, to undermine and dismantle right wing militias.

We are just fortunate that the loyalties of most are to their own wallets and purses. And they are not so blind as to not see their financial sufferings.

Well a civil war per say today would not look like the Civil war of the 1800s. First you take out the democrat politicians, cut the heads off the snakes and then open season on criminals….people in neighborhoods watch criminals with AK’s ransack their cars. It is violent….not the best answer.

Again liberal and conservative states is a better answer. Let them pay for their liberal agendas raising the taxes on their own people. Let them defund the police and coddle criminals. Let them disarm their citizens so they are at the mercy of criminals that know that their judges will defend them. Let them pay for the Illegal aliens and abortions. Let them defend and coddle the LGBTQ people. Let them have corrupt elections and let prisoners and illegal aliens vote and their elections only count for their own state. Let them develop their own communist and atheist states. Let them have states full of druggies. Let them promote the WOKE agenda and sex with minors.

And if they become aggressive to the conservative states…..then you have your battle lines!

 

[Wrangler]

"President Joe Biden on Monday called for an overhaul of the Supreme Court and a constitutional amendment limiting the power of his own office — reforms that might not be implemented but demonstrate his priorities in his final months in office."

The real authoritarian emerges. Limit the power of those that you disagree with once you leave power. How about if Republicans do the same?

Elections have consequences. Trump won a massive mandate from the people, the source of all political power. He’s going to implement his agenda.

Packing the courts? Again, How about if Republicans do the same? I guess it’s only fair and right when the Left does it.

 

[TigersPaw]

The real authoritarian emerges. Limit the power of those that you disagree with once you leave power. How about if Republicans do the same?

Elections have consequences. Trump won a massive mandate from the people, the source of all political power. He’s going to implement his agenda.

Packing the courts? Again, How about if Republicans do the same? I guess it’s only fair and right when the Left does it.

If we look at History we can see a flip about pretty often.
What if Trump does the same?
When Moral values have been absent according to what the Bible views as this.
Then to begin Trump would need to remove Christ values and how God views things.
God needs to be restored, depends what length we are willing to go.
In a sense a Holy war would be supported.

And Defense of Christendom​

• Protecting Christian Holy Sites: The Crusades were often framed as a defense of Christian lands and holy sites, particularly Jerusalem, against perceived aggression by Muslim forces. This defensive rationale was sometimes linked to Jesus' cleansing of the temple (Matthew 21:12-13), which was seen as a zealous act to restore sacredness.
• Self-Defense and Righteousness: Early Christian theologians, like Augustine of Hippo, developed the concept of a "just war," arguing that violence was permissible if it was defensive and aimed at restoring peace and order.

Depends again how far Trumps agenda goes against God. As we know the Crusades were justified, and accepted violence.
In my own head. I would rather deal with Trumps sins, over a Democrat dismantling of God and Values attached to him.
( I am paraphrasing for length ).

 

[Wrangler]

The Crusades were often framed as a defense of Christian lands and holy sites, particularly Jerusalem, against perceived aggression by Muslim forces.

There was nothing ‘perceived’ about it! The Crusades were a reaction to centuries of Islamic Jihad against Christian Europe, including the city Christ was crucified in.

 

[Wrangler]

Depends again how far Trumps agenda goes against God.

Huh? His agenda is God’s agenda.

1. You shall not murder.
2. Do not move the ancient boundary stone.
3. The workers cry out for you have stolen their wages.

 

[TigersPaw]

There was nothing ‘perceived’ about it! The Crusades were a reaction to centuries of Islamic Jihad against Christian Europe, including the city Christ was crucified in.

Yes, but Muslims look at it the complete opposite. And being none of us were there and we have two stating history.
We actually only know some. Not all that occurred. Most historical accounts are within the Vatican.
So Perceived is and expectable observation. As I have seen evidence to support that this began with Christian opposition, long before Islam had a foot old to oppose Christianity, again depends who's history and I am just being honest. I am a huge history buff.
In contrast, even in USA History the perception is, white people kills the Indians and took their land.
Ignoring the the Mexican Indigenous tribes were killed and land taken from what is now California and Oregon.
There exist still to this day Mexican Tribe records in areas where they were slaughtered but North American Indigenous.
So being I was not there, either. LOL

Now if you ask me personally, Islam is built on a house of cards. And the false narratives were falling apart.
And Christians were a threat. I think the whole Crusades was more a Catholic Land grab over a actual Biblical cause.
And why there was issues in persecution, of Christians. Its not biblical it opinions of those who kept tabs on History.
And it varies allot. Christians won, and the winners always dictate how history is seen.

 

[Brakelite]

The above few posts are exactly what I feared from an evangelical take over of the White House. An image to the papal beast.

 

[TigersPaw]

The above few posts are exactly what I feared from an evangelical take over of the White House. An image to the papal beast. View attachment 53337

I think you will need to due diligent this comment as its is a very broad statement.
Could you clarify what you mean. Thank You.

 

[David in NJ]

The above few posts are exactly what I feared from an evangelical take over of the White House. An image to the papal beast. View attachment 53337

i C your point and it is a viable one to consider.

What you must also consider is the US Constitution and the Authority it gives to the Citizens who ABIDE under and by it.

The Socialists who now call themselves democrats/progressives have declared war on the Constitution and We the People.

Who is running the militant propaganda mind control organizations? = otherwise known as the left controlled news media.

We the People REVOLTED against the Papacy ruled Great Britain and thus, here we are today!!!

We both know that the RCC has it's agents everywhere., therefore REVOLT AGAIN and kick their arses out of the FBI, CIA, Supreme Court, FDA, Education.
Re-IGNITE the Constitution in the hearts of the People with TRUTH and LIBERTY