Jesus in verse 39 is saying what is going to happen - He is not presenting a condition to control His return.
Daniel Chapter 8 - the 2300 evenings and mornings prophecy
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Ok, so what if the Jews refuse to make the statement? Do you think the Jews don’t have free will and they will be forced to make the statement?
I don't think the Jews will be "forced" to make the statement. I think they will want to.
Earburner
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I dare say that for those Jews who HAVE converted to Christ, I personally believe that in their heart, they HAVE said:
"Blessed is he that [did] cometh [to me] in the name of the Lord".
Earburner
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All people (Jews included) who were not "born again" prior to that Day of Jesus' Glorious Appearance from Heaven, for them it will be too late.
Remember: Rom. 8:9, and the suddenness of Jesus' Glorious return, in flaming fire.
There will be NO new converts on that Day.
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The Jews en-masse will turn to Jesus and the gospel of salvation in the middle of the 7 years. So their enthusiasm to say "blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord" looking forward to Jesus's Second Coming will be well prior to the day of Jesus's return from heaven down to this earth.
Earburner
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What 7 years, of what prophecy are you fabricating from?
In case you haven't noticed, the Israel (Zionism) that you support and hope for, is committing genocide against their own "semetic" family!!
No, earthly Israel as a whole, will continue to deny and denounce Jesus as their Messiah.
Jerusalem that now is, is M,BTG, the "mother" of harlots. Gal. ch. 4.
Hey EB, when I look at the Greek on Matthew 23:39 the word “coming” <2064> is not future tense, it’s present tense. So it seems to me, that since Jesus has now ascended to heaven, from our vantage point it should be rendered as “Blessed is he that came in the name of the Lord”.
I’m by no means a Greek expert but it looks like it would be a reasonable interpretation of the verse. Matthew 23:39 could be paraphrased as the Jews (or really anyone) who says Jesus came as the Messiah, will see Him.
Earburner
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Yes! I like that even better!
In the truth of His words, and in essence of His Being, all born again Christians are "the body of Christ".
We ARE the Ambassadors for Christ, in His stead/name, and do share "the gospel of Christ", that He who is the Messiah, in mortal flesh, phsically CAME to Israel first, and now IS STILL COMING to all (both Jew and Gentile), by His Holy Spirit within us, who are born again.
Though many do not agree, I perceive Christ's COMING on three levels.
1st- in mortal flesh to Israel.
2nd- by His Spirit, to ALL, through our mortal flesh, who are "born again".
3rd- in His Immortality, "in flaming fire" from Heaven.
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Do you think there is a “coming” that happens to each believer at the time they physically die?
The 7 years of Ezekiel 39:9 following the Gog/Magog event.
The 7 years of Daniel 9:27, confirmation of the Mt. Sinai covenant by the coming phony King of Israel, thought-to-be messiah Antichrist.
The 7 years are in Deuteronomy 31:9-13.
Are you talking about Israel's IDF killing muslim Hamas terrorists ? The leader of Hamas was killed recently. He came out of long-term hiding in a tunnel after killing six Israeli hostages that he was using a human shield.
Earburner
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What part of the "semetic family" don't you understand, when it comes down to Abraham's two sons, Ishmael and Isaac?
It's been nothing but an Ages long "family fued". They are both "anti-semetic" to each other.
Therefore, if I was in support of one against the other, no one can legitimately call me anti-semetic.
BUT, if I was against BOTH, then I could be legitimately called anti-semetic.
Spiritual Israelite
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You seemed to indicate you believe in free will earlier. Is that correct? If so, how would it be that a mass number of Jews would just happen to all willingly choose to turn to Jesus in the future at the same time after a majority of them choosing not to turn to Jesus for the previous 2,000 or however many years? That does not line up with the concept of free will at all. This would make it as if salvation was partly dependent on when you are born. Tough luck to the majority of Jews born in the previous almost 2,000 years since they weren't born during this supposed time period of mass turning to Jesus, right?
Because the Jews have been told that their perceived messiah will show his true colors three years thereabouts after being anointed the King of Israel, thought-to-be messiah.
They have been told that he will reveal himself as the man of sin by going into the temple, sitting, claiming to have achieved God-hood.
The Jews will also be told those same things by the two witnesses in Jerusalem who will prophesy about it, warning the Jews of what is to come.
So when it comes to pass, the Jews will see the error of their ways and will turn to Jesus and the gospel of salvation.
Earburner
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There is the concept of terrorism, and then there is the concept of genocide.
We all know that the sporatic increments of terrorism, is the randomn action for killing some of an opponents people and their infrastructure.
However, genocide is the continual unrestrained action for killing most all of an opponents people and their infrastructure.
Spiritual Israelite
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Nice story, but it makes no sense and does not seem like a convincing reason at all for the Jews to "en-masse turn to Jesus".
The Holocaust of WWII is an example of genocide.
Israel is not carrying out that sort of activity in its war against terrorism.
Earburner
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I believe there is. I have known of a few people of faith in Jesus, who were elderly. Just before they would pass, they would see people, and even talk briefly to them.
Jesus said the words that help me understand that this phenomenon of seeing and talking to invisible people, that THEY can only see, appears to be very real to them.
John 11
[26] And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
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