Why do you believe that, after death, it's too late for Jesus to save people?
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There is no scripture that says or suggests that people are automatically sent to Hell for not believing in Jesus in the time allotted. Jesus can, does, and will save people that didn't follow him while in this world.
Triumph1300
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This was quoted out of context.
Yes, with God all things are possible, but remember... God is not a liar.
A scripture quoted out of context is not changing what God said in His word in the first place.
He is the same yesterday, today and forever.
Let the Holy Spirit guide you.
Triumph1300
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You have scripture to back this up?
1 Corinthians 15:22
English Standard Version
22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.
Nice try @Lambano-Um, I think that's a somewhat spurious interpretation of 1 Peter 3:19. But I have heard it before.
J.
Another universalist--
"And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment" (Lexham Bible).
This verse suggests that after death, individuals face judgment, and no further opportunity for repentance or salvation is mentioned. The parable of the rich man and Lazarus in Luke 16:19-31 also illustrates this point. In the parable, the rich man, after his death, is in torment and asks for relief but is told there is a great chasm fixed between him and Lazarus, which cannot be crossed. This is often understood as a depiction of the finality of one's fate after death.
Jesus Himself also emphasized the necessity of believing in Him during one's lifetime. In John 8:24, He says,
"If you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins."
The New Testament consistently stresses the importance of responding to the Gospel while one is alive. Paul, in 2 Corinthians 6:2, stresses the urgency of salvation:
"Behold, now is the favorable time; behold, now is the day of salvation" (Lexham Bible).
This consistent message of urgency implies that the window for salvation is open during life but closes at death, making it too late to receive salvation beyond the grave. The finality of death and subsequent judgment fits within the broader biblical narrative of human accountability and the eternal consequences of one's decisions in this life.
This belief is a significant part of Christian doctrine because it reinforces the importance of responding to Christ while one has the chance. Salvation is portrayed as a free gift available now, but the Bible doesn't suggest a second opportunity for those who reject or neglect it in this lifetime.
J.
Ritajanice
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@NotTheRock posted.
1 Corinthians 15:22
English Standard Version
22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.
RJ....Where it says , so also in Christ shall all be made Alive..
My opinion of said scripture means.
We are all dead in the first Adam....therefore our spirit needs to be supernaturally regenerated.
The second Adam/ Jesus, there is spiritual life, when we become Born Of The Spirit..we then have life, we came from darkness into His light.....our spirit has been brought Alive by The Spirit...
Just my opinion/ thoughts/ belief.
1 Corinthians 15:22
English Standard Version
22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.
RJ....Where it says , so also in Christ shall all be made Alive..
My opinion of said scripture means.
We are all dead in the first Adam....therefore our spirit needs to be supernaturally regenerated.
The second Adam/ Jesus, there is spiritual life, when we become Born Of The Spirit..we then have life, we came from darkness into His light.....our spirit has been brought Alive by The Spirit...
Just my opinion/ thoughts/ belief.
Lambano
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Maybe. The context of Jesus's quote was the question, "Who then can be saved?"
Eternally Grateful
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If judgment comes after death, then wherever a person stands on that day is where they will spend eternity. There is no more hope after this.
Eternally Grateful
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Um no. non of them got saved. He did go to witness to them, and told them their fate was sealed..
Eternally Grateful
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Thats why today is the day of salvation. If we love them, we should pray for them every day, multiple times. and do whatever we can to help God bring them to himself..
because once they die, it is too late. And by the way, Jesus cries over them, he died for them too.. No greater love
Eternally Grateful
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where is this stated?
And I have a question. Who is going to deny Jesus after this lifetime, when they see things they rejected are true?
Where does Jesus say this ?
Eternally Grateful
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so you are a universalist who thinks everyone will be saved?
How can an unbeliever be saved?
So what does this scripture mean to you? Don't all become believers? What does this verse mean?
Isaiah 45:23 (KJV) I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
Jesus said in John 17 said this
John 17:10 (KJV) And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
Did Jesus know who all were the Fathers?
Just asking.
There's a church in my town that believes a person could be saved after death.
Unfortunately, it's the only protestant church around here - so, no can do.
Two comments:
1. What idiot, after dying and seeing that everything taught by Jesus IS TRUE....
and is given a second chance...
would be SOOO DUMB , as to say NO - I STILL DON'T BELIEVE.
2. Look at the verse you used to support your position:
1 Corinthians 15:22
22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.
It states:
...so also IN CHRSIT...shall all be made alive.
IN CHRIST.
If you are IN CHRSIT, you will surely be made alive after death.
All will be resurrected in the end...
and all will be judged after death....
Some to damnation
and some to the RESURRECTION OF LIFE.
LIFE after death, means a life with God.
Those in hell do not have life.
John 1:4
In HIM was LIFE....
Eternally Grateful
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Every knee will bow and every tongue will confess.
But that does nto mean everyone will be saved. He who believes is not condemned, everyone who does not believe is condemned already.
Need to take this in context.
John 17: 9 “I pray for them. I do not pray for the world but for those whom You have given Me, for they are Yours. 10 And all Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine, and I am glorified in them.
He did not pray for those who will die in unbelief, the world.
Yes, and the father knew. Not everyone is the fathers,.this would be faulty thinking. and this would actually make God out to be a liar. Because I can believe whatever I want in this lifetime, it does nto matter, in the end, God will force me to be his anyway
Hope I answered
Thank you for your answer. You said not everyone is the Fathers... but He said all souls are His.
Ezekiel 18:4 (KJV) Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
Anyway I am one that fears the Lord and believe not all are saved but there are things written I would question. Even the disciples wondered just who could be saved..
Eternally Grateful
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They are. He died for them
But being the loving God he is, he will not force you to recieve his gift. You have this lifetime to repent and recieve his gift of salvation.
And look, they are his, but if it sins it will die.. Which means it must be saved. that was why Jesus came
Yes they did. Because of the righteous (in our view) can not save themselves. then who could be saved.
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