In all 3 gospel accounts Jesus was talking about the destruction of the Temple and surrounding buildings both Jesus and the apostles were looking at with THEIR OWN EYES! This Is the Truth.
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Spiritual Israelite
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You know that Jesus said the temple buildings standing at that time would be destroyed, right? That is the last thing He was recorded as saying before the Olivet Discourse. The disciples naturally would have wanted to know more about that since the temple was a huge deal to them. So, one of the questions they asked was when the temple buildings would be destroyed with the other question being about when Jesus's coming and the end of the age would be. So, where in the Olivet Discourse do you think Jesus answered that first question?
Dispensational delusion.
The parallel synoptic verse to Matthew 24:15 is Luke 21:20, wherein the abomination of desolation is identified as the armies which would surround and desolate Jerusalem.
Which occurred in 70 AD.
For those who understand Scripture interpreting Scripture.
Spiritual Israelite
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It's amazing to me when I see people deny that Matthew 24:15-22 (and Mark 13:14-20) are parallel passages to Luke 21:20-24a. Only doctrinal bias can lead someone to do that. They want us to believe that Jesus said " Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains" and "And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!" and other similar things twice during the Olivet Discourse. Imagine how confused the disciples would've been if He actually did that. Surely, after He said "Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains" and ""And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!" a second time they would have been completely confused and would have asked "Wait, didn't you already say that? Why are you saying that again? We heard you the first time.". It's just complete nonsense to deny that those passages are parallel.
Davy
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The event of not one stone standing atop another that Lord Jesus said, is actually about the future destruction of a new 3rd temple today's Jews will build when the Antichrist comes at the end of this world. Today, the Wailing Wall of huge stones atop one another stands in Jerusalem, and was part of the old temple western wall.
Thus the destruction by the Romans in 70 A.D. of the 2nd temple represented a dual-prophetic pattern that did NOT completely fulfill what Jesus said. Here is an example prophecy of the future final destruction fulfillment of what He said...
Zech 14:1-5
14 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when He fought in the day of battle.
4 And His feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
The temple mount is just a little west of the Mount of Olives. When Lord Jesus' feet touch down upon that Mount of Olives, that is when that area will be cleaved in two.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with Thee.
KJV
Spiritual Israelite
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LOL. This is ridiculous. Jesus was very obviously talking about the temple buildings standing at that time, not some future temple, since that is what the disciples were talking about when they were telling Jesus to look at the temple buildings standing at that time.
He said the temple BUILDINGS would all be destroyed. The Wailing Wall is not a temple building.
Mark 13:1 As Jesus was leaving the temple, one of his disciples said to him, “Look, Teacher! What massive stones! What magnificent buildings!” “Do you see all these great buildings?” replied Jesus. “Not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.”
No mention of a new 3rd temple here at all. Jesus clearly referenced "THESE great buildings" that stood at that time. Stop trying to make scripture say what you want it to say.
Total nonsense. You know you're trying to twist scripture when you resort to this "dual-prophetic pattern" nonsense.
False doctrine, the Temple has already been destroyed and the spirit of antichrist was already in the world per the words of John.
Many claim the abomination of desolation (AOD)spoken of by Daniel and Jesus has not been fulfilled yet, and another Temple needs to be rebuilt in the future in Jerusalem in order to fulfill this prophecy.
The easiest way I have found to prove this doctrine is false is by Jesus’ own words. Below both Jesus and the apostles, were speaking of the Temple and buildings they were looking at "with their own eyes."
The words of God confirm this truth.....
Mark 13:1-413 And as he went out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, seewhat manner of stones and what buildings are here!
2 And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives over against the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately,
4 Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled?
So Jesus was telling them about the destruction of the Temple they were looking at "with their own eyes."
Notice in Mark's account above there is only one question asked about when shall these buildings be destroyed, and what sign would there be prior to this event, concerning the abomination of desolation.
But in Matthew's account pay attention to the question and the prophecy, as 2 separate questions are asked of Jesus.
Matthew 24:1-3
24 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
So in Matthews account not only was Jesus asked about the destruction of the Temple they were looking at "with their own eyes", but also about the signs of Christ’s second coming and also about the end of the world.
Now to Luke's account…..
Luke 21:5-7
5 And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,
6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
7 And they asked him, saying, Master, but whenshall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?
Again notice they are speaking of the Temple and buildings they are looking at "with their own eyes." And so Jesus tells them "the signs" given before the temple is to be destroyed….
Luke 21:20 “And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.” ( This is the abomination of desolation event spoken of in Daniel)
This event concerning the destruction of the city of Jerusalem that Jesus and the apostles were looking at "with their own eyes "is also confirmed by Jesus in
Luke 19:41-44 “And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it. Saying, If thou hast known, even thou, at least in this day, the things which belong unto thy peace! But now they are hid from thine eyes. For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side. And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.”
This prophecy is fulfilled.
Davy
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Ideas you are pushing is from men, not God's Word.
The "abomination of desolation" that Jesus warned about in His Olivet discourse is to occur at the END of this world for the coming time of "great tribulation". And that "great tribulation" He prophesied as an event ONLY for the end of this world, even as Daniel 12:1 also prophesied.
So what you have done is to falsely claim... that the "great tribulation" is already past history, because the "abomination of desolation" event is timed by Jesus with that "great tribulation" event!
You simply are not to be listened to.
False doctrine, the Temple has already been destroyed and the spirit of antichrist was already in the world per the words of John.
Many claim the abomination of desolation (AOD)spoken of by Daniel and Jesus has not been fulfilled yet, and another Temple needs to be rebuilt in the future in Jerusalem in order to fulfill this prophecy.
The easiest way I have found to prove this doctrine is false is by Jesus’ own words. Below both Jesus and the apostles, were speaking of the Temple and buildings they were looking at "with their own eyes."
The words of God confirm this truth.....
Mark 13:1-413 And as he went out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, seewhat manner of stones and what buildings are here!
2 And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives over against the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately,
4 Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled?
So Jesus was telling them about the destruction of the Temple they were looking at "with their own eyes."
Notice in Mark's account above there is only one question asked about when shall these buildings be destroyed, and what sign would there be prior to this event, concerning the abomination of desolation.
But in Matthew's account pay attention to the question and the prophecy, as 2 separate questions are asked of Jesus.
Matthew 24:1-3
24 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
So in Matthews account not only was Jesus asked about the destruction of the Temple they were looking at "with their own eyes", but also about the signs of Christ’s second coming and also about the end of the world.
Now to Luke's account…..
Luke 21:5-7
5 And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,
6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
7 And they asked him, saying, Master, but whenshall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?
Again notice they are speaking of the Temple and buildings they are looking at "with their own eyes." And so Jesus tells them "the signs" given before the temple is to be destroyed….
Luke 21:20 “And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.” ( This is the abomination of desolation event spoken of in Daniel)
This event concerning the destruction of the city of Jerusalem that Jesus and the apostles were looking at "with their own eyes "is also confirmed by Jesus in
Luke 19:41-44 “And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it. Saying, If thou hast known, even thou, at least in this day, the things which belong unto thy peace! But now they are hid from thine eyes. For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side. And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.”
This prophecy is fulfilled.
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