Daniel Chapter 8 - the 2300 evenings and mornings prophecy

[CTK]

You had said:
"So, at first glance, it appears this verse is telling us the sanctuary, where the "daily" sacrifice would take place (every morning at 9:AM and 3: PM), would be cleansed in 2300 days. Therefore, this verse is taking us straight to the daily sacrificial services found in Leviticus."

Agree.

Firstly, the 'sanctuary' for Christ's future coming and reign HE will bring. It will NOT be the new 3rd temple today's orthodox Jews already have the materials ready for, and will build when the false-Messiah shows up in Jerusalem.

I don’t know what you are trying to say here. The Temple, the Sanctuary, the animal sacrifices, etc., have ALL been done away with (fulfilled) by Jesus at His first coming. There is no further need to discuss them.

There will not be any animal sacrifices in that future Millennial temple for Christ's future "thousand years" reign.

Agree. Not sure why you mentioned this….

The only idea of 'sacrifices' today are per New Covenant doctrine, and are represented by our praise to The Father through His Son Jesus Christ. Thus we as Christians are NOT to think of sacrifice in the literal fleshy sense like the unbelieving Jews still do, and expect to continue when Messiah comes.

Agree.

 

[Davy]

The book of Maccabees is not a part of the Scriptures. Secondly, let Daniel interpret Daniel. Third, please consider the Book of Daniel to be a prophetic book that is meant to focus on God’s plan of restoration for His people and His city which culminates in the arrival and death of our Messiah in the last week of the prophecy.

Your statement above I put in 'red' show you have a propensity to follow the Orthodox Jews in today's Jerusalem, being influenced by them, and thus you try and interpret those Daniel 9 prophecies as if those unbelieving Jews have already... been forgiven and saved!!!

They have NOT yet been saved by Christ, because the majority of the Jews in today's Jerusalem still... REJECT Jesus Christ as Messiah!

Again, you continue to reveal how you do not understand that Daniel 9 Scripture nor its events, nor really about Christian Doctrine. There is only One Mediator to The Father, and His name is Jesus Christ! No one is saved without Faith on Jesus Christ.

 

[CTK]

Please see my post #118, and understand that the temple WAS cleansed by the efforts of Judas Maccabeus, 45 days later.
Today, Israel celebrates Hannukah concerning that event.

Sorry, the Messiah and His sacrifice as God’s Passover Kamb cleansed the Sanctuary. And by the way, Jesus did not clean the “earthly Sanctuary,” rather He returned the His Father and stood at His right hand to confirm His sacrifice was indeed accepted by His Father. This was the purpose of Stephen’s vision of seeing Jesus at his stoning- His (Jesus) sacrifice would be accepted and cleanse the heavenly Sanctuary. None of this is about some thug BETWEEN the 3rd and 4th kingdoms that places a pig on the alter. You have to consider all the verses in Daniel 2, 7 and 8… they all fit together. The verses in Chapter 2 and 7 provide us with the 4 kingdoms, the actors that will play a part in God’s plan of restoration and salvation, it gives us ALL the necessary guidelines and restrictions needed to keep our interpretations within this 4 kingdom structure.

 

[Davy]

I don’t know what you are trying to say here. The Temple, the Sanctuary, the animal sacrifices, etc., have ALL been done away with (fulfilled) by Jesus at His first coming. There is no further need to discuss them.

Then why did YOU bring up that subject about the daily sacrifices in your original post??

I think you are being coy, and well know what I've been talking about regarding the temple. The orthodox Jews in today's Jerusalem already have the materials ready to build their 3rd temple. I'm certain you know about that. They plan to bring back old covenant worship with that temple to include animal sacrifices. I'm certain you know about that too. That 3rd temple built by those orthodox Jews, a.k.a., sanctuary, will NOT be the one that Daniel 8:14 is talking about.

Yeah, you do... know what I'm talking about, you just don't want to admit what the Daniel Scriptures states as written. The prophecies after mention of Christ being "cut off" are fulfilled by antichrists, and WERE NEVER PART OF CHRIST'S MINISTRY.

And it's clear you won't give up your deception by men who push the false doctrine of Christ's Ministry through the 70th week, which is a false idea that originates from the orthodox unbelieving Jews.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Your statement above I put in 'red' show you have a propensity to follow the Orthodox Jews in today's Jerusalem, being influenced by them, and thus you try and interpret those Daniel 9 prophecies as if those unbelieving Jews have already... been forgiven and saved!!!

They have NOT yet been saved by Christ, because the majority of the Jews in today's Jerusalem still... REJECT Jesus Christ as Messiah!

Again, you continue to reveal how you do not understand that Daniel 9 Scripture nor its events, nor really about Christian Doctrine. There is only One Mediator to The Father, and His name is Jesus Christ! No one is saved without Faith on Jesus Christ.

You have no idea of what you're saying. Absolutely none. What's this "not yet been saved by Christ" nonsense? Some Jews are saved now and some have been saved throughout the past almost 2,000 years. Do you think salvation is not offered to those who reject Jesus Christ? It is. They have no excuse for rejecting Him, but you give them one by saying they haven't been saved yet by Christ, which is total nonsense. Them not being saved is entirely their own fault, but you make it as if salvation has been withheld from them. No, it has not. Christ did His part long ago already and there's nothing else He needs to do. It is finished. And it has led to the salvation of many Jews in the past almost 2,000 years as well as Gentiles. Those who reject it do so by choice and they are condemned for it.

 

[Davy]

Sorry, the Messiah and His sacrifice as God’s Passover Kamb cleansed the Sanctuary. And by the way, Jesus did not clean the “earthly Sanctuary,” rather He returned the His Father and stood at His right hand to confirm His sacrifice was indeed accepted by His Father. This was the purpose of Stephen’s vision of seeing Jesus at his stoning- His (Jesus) sacrifice would be accepted and cleanse the heavenly Sanctuary. None of this is about some thug BETWEEN the 3rd and 4th kingdoms that places a pig on the alter. You have to consider all the verses in Daniel 2, 7 and 8… they all fit together. The verses in Chapter 2 and 7 provide us with the 4 kingdoms, the actors that will play a part in God’s plan of restoration and salvation, it gives us ALL the necessary guidelines and restrictions needed to keep our interpretations within this 4 kingdom structure.

Total Falsehood by false Jews.

 

[CTK]

Your statement above I put in 'red' show you have a propensity to follow the Orthodox Jews in today's Jerusalem, being influenced by them, and thus you try and interpret those Daniel 9 prophecies as if those unbelieving Jews have already... been forgiven and saved!!!

I have no idea what you are saying!!! None! In fact, it would be the opposite… if anything.

They have NOT yet been saved by Christ, because the majority of the Jews in today's Jerusalem still... REJECT Jesus Christ as Messiah!

Agreed.

Again, you continue to reveal how you do not understand that Daniel 9 Scripture nor its events, nor really about Christian Doctrine. There is only One Mediator to The Father, and His name is Jesus Christ! No one is saved without Faith on Jesus Christ.

Agreed. I really have a major problem trying to see how you understand things.

 

[CTK]

Total Falsehood by false Jews.

Ok fine, now I am willing to read your response on the comments I mentioned that you disagree with. Take one at a time so we can focus on each .., you tell me which you disagree with , and then tell me your interpretation and we can discuss.

 

[CTK]

Then why did YOU bring up that subject about the daily sacrifices in your original post??

For the nth time, the daily sacrifices were “done away” with as a result of the cross.

I think you are being coy, and well know what I've been talking about regarding the temple. The orthodox Jews in today's Jerusalem already have the materials ready to build their 3rd temple. I'm certain you know about that. They plan to bring back old covenant worship with that temple to include animal sacrifices. I'm certain you know about that too. That 3rd temple built by those orthodox Jews, a.k.a., sanctuary, will NOT be the one that Daniel 8:14 is talking about.

Something is terribly wrong here. I am either getting “punked” or ….

But, either way, I am certain I am going to soon ignore any of your responses…

Yeah, you do... know what I'm talking about, you just don't want to admit what the Daniel Scriptures states as written. The prophecies after mention of Christ being "cut off" are fulfilled by antichrists, and WERE NEVER PART OF CHRIST'S MINISTRY.

Oh boy!

And it's clear you won't give up your deception by men who push the false doctrine of Christ's Ministry through the 70th week, which is a false idea that originates from the orthodox unbelieving Jews.

Yea, I think we are close to calling it a day.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

For the nth time, the daily sacrifices were “done away” with as a result of the cross.

Something is terribly wrong here. I am either getting “punked” or ….

But, either way, I am certain I am going to soon ignore any of your responses…


Oh boy!


Yea, I think we are close to calling it a day.

Trust me, you can't reason with that guy. I've tried. Best to just move on.

 

[Douggg]

Dan. 8:13-14
[13] Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning
1. the daily sacrifice [taken away],
2. and the transgression of desolation,
to give BOTH the sanctuary and the host [army of Israel] to be trodden under foot?
[14] And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days [consisting of evenings and mornings];
THEN shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

The vision of the little horn's activities are for time of the end. Daniel 8:17.

 

[Douggg]

What none of you are taking in consideration regarding the prophecies is that when the text says "time of the end", those prophecies were not fulfilled in the past, but will be fulfilled in our time in the near future.

Here are the list of prophecy text containing "time of the end"

Daniel 8:17
Daniel 11:35
Daniel 11:40
Daniel 12:4
Daniel 12:9

https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/search.php?q=time+of+the+end&bsec=&order=0&s=1

 

[Douggg]

 

[grafted branch]

What none of you are taking in consideration regarding the prophecies is that when the text says "time of the end", those prophecies were not fulfilled in the past, but will be fulfilled in our time in the near future.

Here are the list of prophecy text containing "time of the end"

Daniel 8:17
Daniel 11:35
Daniel 11:40
Daniel 12:4
Daniel 12:9

https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/search.php?q=time+of+the+end&bsec=&order=0&s=1

The end of what? The end of sin which is in the Daniel 9:24 list?

 

[Douggg]

The end of what? The end of sin which is in the Daniel 9:24 list?

Of man governing himself.

 

[grafted branch]

Of man governing himself.

What verse are you getting that from?

 

[Douggg]

What verse are you getting that from?

Jesus will rule the nations with a rod of iron.

Psalms 2:9
Revelation 2:27
Revelation 12:5
Revelation 19:15

https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/search.php?q=rod+of+iron&bsec=&order=0&s=1

 

[Douggg]

 

[grafted branch]

Jesus will rule the nations with a rod of iron.

Psalms 2:9
Revelation 2:27
Revelation 12:5
Revelation 19:15

https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/search.php?q=rod+of+iron&bsec=&order=0&s=1

Ok, so when does the end of sin take place? Doesn’t it happen when the 70th week is fulfilled?

Jesus wouldn’t have to rule with a rod of iron unless sins were still being committed, so I guess that would put the end of the 70th week after the millennium and Satans little season if you’re Premill.

 

[Douggg]

Ok, so when does the end of sin take place?

Jesus's death on the cross and resurrection put an end to sin's power to cause eternal separation from God.