Were Jesus's brothers born of another woman?
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Wrangler
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Why doesn't it apply since the Bible said Jesus had brothers and sisters.
Wrangler
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I see what you mean. From his well researched posts he draws the exact wrong conclusion, taking "brother" to the genus level of "relative" AS IF it is not a relative of a certain kind! LOL
The only familial definition for the Koine Greek word "ἀδελφός'' (sing. adelphos/brother;pl. ἀδελφοί/adelphoi/brothers) is "kinsman/kinswoman, or relative", and that's the word used in Matt. 13:55 and Mk. 6:3. It can be used to refer to various types of family members. It's the genealogical evidence in post #4 that shows Jesus's brothers (kinsmen/relatives) in the aforementioned verses were the sons of His Mother's Spouse's brother, Alpaheus, and his wife Mary, and thus His cousins.
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Wrangler
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Well, despite your expert language translation skills, how many translations render it brother and sisters rather than "relative?"
The word "sibling" isn't, nor is any other specific type of family member, the English translation of the Koine Greek word "ἀδελφός'".
Wrangler
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Again, the word "sibling" isn't, nor is any other specific type of family member, the English translation of the Koine Greek word "ἀδελφός'". In other words, there's zero versions of the The Bible where in it the word "sibling", or any other specific type of family member, is the English translation of the Koine Greek word "ἀδελφός'".
Wrangler
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That's not what I asked. You have an agenda that is not the truth.
62 of 63 translations render it "brother." Mark 6:3 - Bible Gateway
St. SteVen
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Also claimed is that Mary was the Mother of God. (because she gave birth to Jesus = God) ???
And that she too was the product of an immaculate (virgin) birth. As I understand it.
A duck has a bill.
My cap has a bill.
Therefore my cap is a duck.
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You asked how many versions of The Bible translate the Koine Greek word "ἀδελφός'" to "brother", as in the English modern-day word "brother", or "sibling". However, it doesn't, which is why I said that there are zero versions of the The Bible where the word "sibling", or any other specific type of family member, is the English translation of it.
Again, the English translation "brother" of the Koine Greek word "ἀδελφός" can refer to various types of family members, and that's why it's only familial definition is the broad "kinsman/kinswoman, relatives". Therefore, the word itself can't determine the type(s) of family member(s) referred to in any given verse involving one's kinsmen/kinswomen, or relatives. That's why its the genealogical evidence in post #4 that shows Jesus's brothers (kinsmen/relatives) in Matt. 13:55 and Mk. 6:3 were the sons of His Mother's Spouse's brother, Alpaheus, and his wife Mary, and thus His cousins.
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Wrangler
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No, that was not my question.
I'm going to go ahead and put you on ignore now.
I think your reply was a great addition. No apology necessary, IMHO.
We could be reading a pov offered throughout this thread that incorporates LDS doctrine into this discussion of the New Testament.
It was what you were essentially asking, because you apply the English modern-day word "brother", and its definitions, to the ancient Koine Greek word "ἀδελφός", which doesn't exactly share those definitions.
Many would after being shown they were in error as you were, rather than be humble and admit it.
Yes you are correct.
Even nowadays people call others Bro ! but they are not brothers at all in fact.
Anyone who claims that Jesus had his own blood brothers is an anti-Christ in fact !
All true worthy Christians are brothers in fact ! regardless be they sisters, are still called as Brothers. all are united under the brotherhood of Servants of our Lord and Saviour.
Jesus talked about who were his Brothers as well, explaining why they are such, and it had nothing to do with being blood brothers at all !
The first time that i heard such lies peddled by Dan Brown book that is full of deceptions and lies.
Brother, what do you think of this?
σύντροφος
nursed with, another; one brought up (NIV) or educated with another, intimate friend, friend of the court (RSV) Acts 13:1*
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Forms of the word
Dictionary:
σύντροφος, ον
Greek transliteration:
syntrophos
Simplified transliteration:
syntrophos
Numbers
Strong's number:
4939
GK Number:
5343
Statistics
Frequency in New Testament:
1
Morphology of Biblical Greek Tag:
a-3a
Gloss:
brought up with (in a family); this can refer to a foster sibling or an intimate friend
Definition:
nursed with, another; one brought up (NIV) or educated with another, intimate friend, friend of the court (RSV) Acts 13:1*
Greek-English Concordance for σύντροφος
| Acts 13:1 | Now there were in Antioch in the local church prophets and teachers, both Barnabas and Simeon who was called Niger, Lucius the Cyrenian, and Manaen, the foster-brother (syntrophos | σύντροφος | nom sg masc) of Herod the tetrarch, and Saul. |
You haven't presented a counterargument to post(s) #4 and/or #5. Therefore, again, do you not have one?
I wrote posts #4 and #5.
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So, your only "counterargument" to post(s) #4 and/or #5 is an unsubstantiated claim that I added words to Scripture?
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It's a forced position isn't it asoul?
I mean your doctrine drives your interpretation rather than allowing the Word to teach you, you teach the Word.
This is common across most denominations but Catholics are by far the worst offenders.
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