When Jesus Came out the Grave, he was Born Again.

[bro.tan]

No, He was resurrected. Jesus wasn't dead in the sense of being separated from God, therefore He did not need to be reborn. It's actually in Him that we are reborn. That never would have worked if Jesus needed rebirth also! Jesus, being God, did not require "being born into the family of God".

Much love!

According to the Bible Jesus was always being inquired of by the Jews for a sign. He gave them one in reference to His death and resurrection. He told them that just like Jonas, He would be in the earth 3 days and 3 nights. In the Gospel of John Jesus again gave the Jews a sign by telling them if this temple was destroyed He would raise it up in 3 days. Jesus was referring to His body.

(Matthew 12:38) Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee. 39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: 40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

So we are going to pretend Jonas wasn't in the belly of a whale.Now the Lord had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three night. (Jonas 1:17)

Let's take another look at it (John 2:18) Then answered the Jews and said unto him, “What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?” (19) Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. (20) Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? (21) But he spake of the temple of his body.

Paul says in Hebrews 2: 9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. Also notice I used the word of God and not just type what I think, but what the book say. So if Jesus had to taste death, then he died, let's not add our own thoughts into this.

 

[bro.tan]

Yes, I believe you are correct @bro.tan ....do you mean the adoption of our spirit body?
I think he means we are waiting for our earthly body to die, then go back into the dust of the ground.

Then we will then have glorified spirit bodies, like Jesus has?..what do you think?

Paul tells us in I Corinthians 15:35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come? Why would Paul mention the dead being raised? 36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die: 37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain: 38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body. 40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. 48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. 49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Look at verse 50, notice what it says "flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God". Remembers Jesus said something similar to this in John chapter 3. Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. This is the Fathers Kingdom, which Jesus spoke of. During the Lord's thousand-year reign with the saint, flesh and blood beings will still be on the earth along with spirit beings. There will be only spirit beings after the second resurrection. Remember what Nicodemus asked the Lord? He asked Him, " how could a man be born again when he was already old?" And the Lord answered by saying, "Verily, verily, I say unto thee, except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.” In order for you to be born again you must be changed into a spiritual body.

When will this take place?

51 Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. At the last trump, and not a second before. No one can make the statement, "I am born again" But the Lord that came down from heaven which is Jesus. He is the only one that rose from the grave and remained alive.

 

[Johann]

According to the Bible Jesus was always being inquired of by the Jews for a sign. He gave them one in reference to His death and resurrection. He told them that just like Jonas, He would be in the earth 3 days and 3 nights. In the Gospel of John Jesus again gave the Jews a sign by telling them if this temple was destroyed He would raise it up in 3 days. Jesus was referring to His body.

(Matthew 12:38) Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee. 39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: 40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

So we are going to pretend Jonas wasn't in the belly of a whale.Now the Lord had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three night. (Jonas 1:17)

Let's take another look at it (John 2:18) Then answered the Jews and said unto him, “What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?” (19) Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. (20) Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? (21) But he spake of the temple of his body.

Paul says in Hebrews 2: 9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. Also notice I used the word of God and not just type what I think, but what the book say. So if Jesus had to taste death, then he died, let's not add our own thoughts into this.

The New Testament presents Jesus Christ as sinless through various scripture references that affirm His purity, perfection, and divine nature. Here are key passages that demonstrate this aspect of His character:

1. John 8:46
“Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?”
In this verse, Jesus challenges His accusers, asserting that none can point to any sin in Him, emphasizing His sinless nature.

2. Hebrews 4:15
“For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.”
This passage indicates that Jesus was tempted in every way that humans are but remained sinless throughout His life.

3. Hebrews 7:26
“For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens.”
Here, the author of Hebrews describes Jesus as holy and undefiled, underscoring His perfect nature.

4. 1 Peter 2:22
“Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth.”
Peter directly states that Jesus committed no sin, highlighting His blamelessness.

5. 2 Corinthians 5:21
“For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.”
This verse emphasizes that Jesus knew no sin, affirming His sinless character and His role as the perfect sacrifice for humanity.

6. 1 John 3:5
“And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.”
This passage clearly states that there is no sin in Jesus, reinforcing His purity and purpose.

7. Matthew 5:17
“Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.”
While not a direct assertion of sinlessness, Jesus' fulfillment of the law implies a perfect adherence to God's commandments, which underscores His sinless life.

8. Luke 1:35
“And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.”
In this verse, Jesus is referred to as “that holy thing,” affirming His divine and sinless nature from conception.


These references collectively affirm the belief in Jesus Christ's sinlessness, which is foundational to Christian theology regarding His role as the perfect sacrifice for the sins of humanity. The consistent portrayal of Jesus as sinless is essential for understanding His qualifications as Savior and High Priest, capable of mediating between God and mankind.

Just Scripture-let's not add our own presuppositions here @bro.tan

J.

 

[Ritajanice]

Paul says in Hebrews 2: 9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. Also notice I used the word of God and not just type what I think, but what the book say. So if Jesus had to taste death, then he died, let's not add our own thoughts into this.

Hi again Bro tan.

Jesus died a human death, but ,his Spirit never died did it?

If it had, he would have ceased to be God would he not.?

Just enquiring my friend.

 

[FaithWillDo]

Depending on context.

In the King James Version (KJV) of the Bible, the term "hamartia," which is Greek for "sin" or "sin offering," appears in various contexts. However, it's important to clarify that the specific phrase "a sin offering" is translated from the Hebrew word חַטָּאת (chatta'ah) in the Old Testament, rather than directly from the Greek hamartia.

In the KJV, the phrase "sin offering" occurs approximately 37 times. Here are some key references where it is explicitly mentioned:

Leviticus 4:3: "If the priest that is anointed do sin according to the sin of the people; then let him bring for his sin which he hath sinned a young bullock without blemish unto the LORD for a sin offering."

Leviticus 4:14: "When the sin, which they have sinned against it, is known, then the congregation shall offer a young bullock for the sin, and bring him before the tabernacle of the congregation."

Leviticus 5:6: "And he shall bring his trespass offering unto the LORD for his sin which he hath sinned, a female from the flock, a lamb or a kid of the goats, for a sin offering; and the priest shall make an atonement for him concerning his sin."

Numbers 15:22: "And if ye have erred, and not observed all these commandments, which the LORD hath spoken unto Moses, even all that the LORD hath commanded you by the hand of Moses, from the day that the LORD commanded Moses, and henceforward among your generations;"

The term "hamartia" itself, used in the New Testament, is typically translated simply as "sin," rather than "sin offering." Notably, the Greek word appears in several passages, but it does not specifically denote the concept of a sin offering.


To summarize, while the phrase "sin offering" appears around 37 times in the KJV, it is important to distinguish that the Greek term hamartia does not specifically translate as "sin offering." Instead, hamartia generally refers to "sin" or "to sin," and does not have a direct correlation to the sacrificial offerings described in the Old Testament.

As to the rest of your post I wholly concur.

J.

Dear Johann,
You said:
To summarize, while the phrase "sin offering" appears around 37 times in the KJV, it is important to distinguish that the Greek term hamartia does not specifically translate as "sin offering." Instead, hamartia generally refers to "sin" or "to sin," and does not have a direct correlation to the sacrificial offerings described in the Old Testament.

Yes, I agree, hamartia should primarily be translated as "sin" or "to sin". However, when hamartia is used in the context of a sacrificial offering, it is appropriate to translate it as an offering for sin - just as the Hebrew word for sin is translated in the examples you gave. With the Greek word for sin, it is appropriate to translate it as meaning an offering for sin in 2Cor 5:21, Heb 10 verses 6 & 8 since the context of those verses deals with a sacrificial offering.

Joe

 

[Ritajanice]

Look at verse 50, notice what it says "flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God". Remembers Jesus said something similar to this in John chapter 3. Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. This is the Fathers Kingdom, which Jesus spoke of. During the Lord's thousand-year reign with the saint, flesh and blood beings will still be on the earth along with spirit beings. There will be only spirit beings after the second resurrection. Remember what Nicodemus asked the Lord? He asked Him, " how could a man be born again when he was already old?" And the Lord answered by saying, "Verily, verily, I say unto thee, except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.” In order for you to be born again you must be changed into a spiritual body.

Our spirit is Born Again, before we have a glorified spirit body, it’s when this body of flesh that houses the Holy Spirit dies, that is when we will be raised in our new spirit bodies......because we are already spirit children of the most high....otherwise if we aren’t Born Again how do we receive our glorified spirit bodies?

Our spirit must be reconciled back to God before we can receive our glorified spirit bodies...

He can’t give a sinner a glorified spirit body can he?

1 Corinthians 6:19​

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King James Version​

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19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

When we are Born Again we belong to God we are His spirit children.

We are in this world, but , we are not Of this world anymore when we become Born Again, we are in the Kingdom Of God.

He bought us for a price..did he not?

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What does it mean that “you were bought with a price” (1 Corinthians 6:20; 7:23)?​

ANSWER

Twice the apostle Paul informed believers at Corinth, “You were bought with a price.” In 1 Corinthians 6, Paul was making a passionate appeal against sexual immorality. He concluded his argument, stating, “Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body” (1 Corinthians 6:19–20, ESV).

A Christian’s body is the temple of the Holy Spirit. At salvation, the Holy Spirit takes up residence, transforming the believer’s body into a sanctified place, a home for God’s holy presence (Hebrews 10:10). In union with Christ, the Christian receives a new nature and a new identity (2 Corinthians 5:17). When a believer engages in sexual immorality, he or she violates that new creation, which was purchased at a very high price.

The price we were bought with is disclosed in 1 Peter 1:18–19: “For you know that God paid a ransom to save you from the empty life you inherited from your ancestors. And it was not paid with mere gold or silver, which lose their value. It was the precious blood of Christ, the sinless, spotless Lamb of God” (NLT).

When Paul said, “You were bought with a price,” he meant that believers were purchased and paid for with the sinless, spotless perfection of Jesus Christ’s blood. Jesus Himself said that He came to give His life as a ransom for us (Matthew 20:28). Since we were obtained at such a tremendous expense, we are to use our bodies to honor God with good deeds: “For we are God’s masterpiece. He has created us anew in Christ Jesus, so we can do the good things he planned for us long ago” (Ephesians 2:10, NLT).

Paul reminded the Corinthians that ownership of their bodies had been transferred to Christ. They no longer had the right or freedom to use their bodies any way they wished. Just as slaves were purchased in the ancient world, we were bought with the price of Christ’s blood on the cross. We now belong to Him (1 Corinthians 7:22). We don’t have the right to rebel against our Master by using our bodies in ways He forbids.

Paul repeated this teaching in 1 Corinthians 7:23, but with an emphasis on spiritual freedom: “You were bought at a price; do not become slaves of human beings.” Believers are set free from the dominion of sin through the death of Christ (Galatians 1:4). Our spiritual freedom comes at the price of Christ’s sacrificial death on the cross (1 Peter 2:24). Consequently, since we now belong to Christ, we must not let ourselves come under the control of other humans.

Paul’s phrase become slaves of human beings was meant metaphorically. We are not to let human ideas and worldly systems rule over us. Legalism, for example, should not rule us; we are not bound by the rules of men. Rather, we are “responsible to God” (1 Corinthians 7:24). Jesus Christ alone is our Master.

In one sense, the blood of Christ paid for our liberation, setting us free from sin; but in another inference, His sacrifice changed our ownership, making us slaves to God alone. “You were bought with a price” means God was willing to obtain possession of us on Calvary by paying the ultimate price—the blood of His own Son (Acts 20:28).







Sometimes I get really frustrated with God, why, because I can do nothing in my own strength, I have to wait on the Lord, everything is in his timing.

I know his ways are perfect, it doesn’t stop me from getting frustrated with him though, just being honest.

Patience, patience, I know, that is what he is teaching me.LOL.

 

[Johann]

Dear Johann,
You said:
To summarize, while the phrase "sin offering" appears around 37 times in the KJV, it is important to distinguish that the Greek term hamartia does not specifically translate as "sin offering." Instead, hamartia generally refers to "sin" or "to sin," and does not have a direct correlation to the sacrificial offerings described in the Old Testament.

Yes, I agree, hamartia should primarily be translated as "sin" or "to sin". However, when hamartia is used in the context of a sacrificial offering, it is appropriate to translate it as an offering for sin - just as the Hebrew word for sin is translated in the examples you gave. With the Greek word for sin, it is appropriate to translate it as meaning an offering for sin in 2Cor 5:21, Heb 10 verses 6 & 8 since the context of those verses deals with a sacrificial offering.

Joe

I have no problem with this @FaithWillDo.

Shalom
J.

 

[Ritajanice]

Bible Verses About Patience​

Bible verses related to Patience from the King James Version (KJV) by Relevance​

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Romans 12:12 - Rejoicing in hope; patient in tribulation; continuing instant in prayer;

Romans 8:25 - But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.

Galatians 6:9 - And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.

Psalms 37:7-9 - Rest in the LORD, and wait patiently for him: fret not thyself because of him who prospereth in his way, because of the man who bringeth wicked devices to pass. (Read More...)

Philippians 4:6 - Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.

Jeremiah 29:11 - For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end.

Ecclesiastes 7:9 - Be not hasty in thy spirit to be angry: for anger resteth in the bosom of fools.

Ephesians 4:2 - With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;

1 Corinthians 13:4 - Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,

James 1:19 - Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath:

1 Peter 2:19-23 - For this is thankworthy, if a man for conscience toward God endure grief, suffering wrongfully. (Read More...)

Romans 5:4 - And patience, experience; and experience, hope:

Isaiah 40:31 - But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint.

Proverbs 15:18 - A wrathful man stirreth up strife: but he that is slow to anger appeaseth strife.

Ecclesiastes 7:8 - Better is the end of a thing than the beginning thereof: and the patient in spirit is better than the proud in spirit.

 

[marks]

According to the Bible Jesus was always being inquired of by the Jews for a sign. He gave them one in reference to His death and resurrection. He told them that just like Jonas, He would be in the earth 3 days and 3 nights. In the Gospel of John Jesus again gave the Jews a sign by telling them if this temple was destroyed He would raise it up in 3 days. Jesus was referring to His body.

(Matthew 12:38) Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee. 39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: 40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

So we are going to pretend Jonas wasn't in the belly of a whale.Now the Lord had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three night. (Jonas 1:17)

Let's take another look at it (John 2:18) Then answered the Jews and said unto him, “What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?” (19) Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. (20) Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? (21) But he spake of the temple of his body.

Paul says in Hebrews 2: 9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. Also notice I used the word of God and not just type what I think, but what the book say. So if Jesus had to taste death, then he died, let's not add our own thoughts into this.

I'm having a difficult time understanding what this has to do with my post. And I wonder that you would pretend ANYTHING to do with Scripture.

You asserted that Jesus was "born again" when He was resurrected, but you've not supported that in any way. Yes, He died, yes, He resurrected, but that is not regeneration as the Bible teaches regeneration.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Ephesians 4:2 - With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;

This whole chapter is just wonderful for giving us our marching orders. I like to read it a few times a week.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Yes, I agree, hamartia should primarily be translated as "sin" or "to sin". However, when hamartia is used in the context of a sacrificial offering, it is appropriate to translate it as an offering for sin - just as the Hebrew word for sin is translated in the examples you gave. With the Greek word for sin, it is appropriate to translate it as meaning an offering for sin in 2Cor 5:21, Heb 10 verses 6 & 8 since the context of those verses deals with a sacrificial offering.

I was looking at the Hebrews references, and it looks like they use a different wording,

Hebrews 10:6-8 KJV
6) In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
7) Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
8) Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;

"in burnt offering and for sin" or, "concerning sin" while in 2 Corintians 5,

2 Corinthians 5:21 KJV
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

This place doesn't use the same wording, "for sin". It seems to me that the correct reading should be "He made Him sin", that is, to be sin, a noun. So this seems like a different case.

Much love!

@Johann

 

[Ritajanice]

You asserted that Jesus was "born again" when He was resurrected, but you've not supported that in any way. Yes, He died, yes, He resurrected, but that is not regeneration as the Bible teaches regeneration.

Much love!

I agree, maybe Brother @bro.tan can explain in more detail, as I too don’t understand how Jesus was Born Again.

 

[marks]

I agree, maybe Brother @bro.tan can explain in more detail, as I too don’t understand how Jesus was Born Again.

Yeah, I don't think so, it's not Biblical. Rebirth is for sinners, dead in sin. Jesus was not dead in sin, therefore no need to be born again. He might argue that "dead in sin" describes Jesus' death on the cross. But considering the "dead in sin" the Bible speaks of concerns those with physical life on this planet, we know it's not the same.

Much love!

 

[CTK]

Hi again Bro tan.

Jesus died a human death, but ,his Spirit never died did it?

If it had, he would have ceased to be God would he not.?

Just enquiring my friend.

Let me ask… when Jesus was on the cross did He make the statement, “ into your hands I commit my spirit?”

I believe that God created Adam by taking the dust of the earth and then He breathed “His Holy Spirit” into him. This is not the same as the Holy Spirit - the 3rd person of the trinity, rather it represents His holiness, His righteousness. This is what separates man from every other living creature. In this state, Adam was indeed like God (not God). He was a “living soul” who would never die or be in need of anything but his God.

But after he sinned, that “holiness, that righteousness, that spirit that came from God could no longer be within Adam: God’s imputed holiness cannot be in the presence of sin. And the only place we can find ANY holiness or righteousness is in our Lord. Thus, it had to return back to God and Adam had to be removed from the Garden. Now, he was just like all the other creatures that God had made- he continued to breathe as before, but now he could die just like all other creatures and as he lost God’s “spirit, His holiness, His righteousness” that was given only to him.

But of course, God would immediately design a plan to restore Adam (mankind) to the Garden to be able to be in His presence once again. Man can not obtain, work for or buy this “spirit, this holiness, this righteousness,” - it is only found within God and for Him to give.

Jesus would come to the earth absolutely sinless and pur, and He was willing to sacrifice His life for many - all those who would believe in Him.

This would require Jesus to take on the sin of the world and this would look just like what Adam had gone through. Jesus was sinless with the “spirit, the holiness, the righteousness” of God within Him until He “willingly” took on the sin of the world. Now, just like Adam, He would have to give up God’s “spirit, His holiness, His righteousness,” that was within Him and return it to His Father. Jesus would willingly do this for mankind and just like Adam, He would die.

But in 3 days, God would raise Him up with an incorruptible body, He would be sinless, perfect in the eyes of God. This is symbolically how things will be for mankind. For those who believe in Jesus, He will raise us up in an incorruptible body and He will not remember our sins. God will restore “His” holiness, “His” righteousness, “His” Holy Spirit back into us as we were once made in the form of Adam.

So, Genesis 2:7 provides the FORMULA of how God created Adam. His “breathing” into him was not air to jump start his existence. This was His holiness that was breathed into him .

After Adam sinned, this was taken back but Adam still breathed, still had his sense of awareness, his consciousness, but now he was no longer a “living soul”, but a “living being.” I believe everyone uses soul or spirit as a third part of our being that is separate from one another. But I don’t believe this is how we are created. The only difference between Adam before and after his removal from the Garden is he no longer was a “living soul” that had God’s holiness within him. Nothing else was taken away from him - he was now a “living being” in need of restoring God’s holiness back into him IF he wanted to be back in the presence of God.

 

[Ritajanice]

Let me ask… when Jesus was on the cross did He make the statement, “ into your hands I commit my spirit?”

He did yes...but, if his Spirit had died then he would have ceased to be God? Do you believe Jesus was God in the flesh.?

Maybe someone can explain what Jesus meant when he said to God ,into your hands I commit my Spirit, what do you think he meant?

Just found this short commentary...to be honest I’m having difficulty understanding that as well...

What did Jesus mean when he said Father I commit my spirit?
A Word of SurrenderHe gives up his human life to his Father who gave it to him 33 years before. The word "spirit" is the common word pneuma, "breathing, breath of life." It can refer to the Holy Spirit, but here refers to the personal spirit of Jesus, part of the human personality (Hebrews 4:12; 1 Thessalonians 5:23).

I believe that God created Adam by taking the dust of the earth and then He breathed “His Holy Spirit” into him. This is not the same as the Holy Spirit - the 3rd person of the trinity, rather it represents His holiness, His righteousness. This is what separates man from every other living creature. In this state, Adam was indeed like God (not God). He was a “living soul” who would never die or be in need of anything but his God.

But after he sinned, that “holiness, that righteousness, that spirit that came from God could no longer be within Adam: God’s imputed holiness cannot be in the presence of sin. And the only place we can find ANY holiness or righteousness is in our Lord. Thus, it had to return back to God and Adam had to be removed from the Garden. Now, he was just like all the other creatures that God had made- he continued to breathe as before, but now he could die just like all other creatures and as he lost God’s “spirit, His holiness, His righteousness” that was given only to him.

But of course, God would immediately design a plan to restore Adam (mankind) to the Garden to be able to be in His presence once again. Man can not obtain, work for or buy this “spirit, this holiness, this righteousness,” - it is only found within God and for Him to give.

Jesus would come to the earth absolutely sinless and pur, and He was willing to sacrifice His life for many - all those who would believe in Him.

This would require Jesus to take on the sin of the world and this would look just like what Adam had gone through. Jesus was sinless with the “spirit, the holiness, the righteousness” of God within Him until He “willingly” took on the sin of the world. Now, just like Adam, He would have to give up God’s “spirit, His holiness, His righteousness,” that was within Him and return it to His Father. Jesus would willingly do this for mankind and just like Adam, He would die.

But in 3 days, God would raise Him up with an incorruptible body, He would be sinless, perfect in the eyes of God. This is symbolically how things will be for mankind. For those who believe in Jesus, He will raise us up in an incorruptible body and He will not remember our sins. God will restore “His” holiness, “His” righteousness, “His” Holy Spirit back into us as we were once made in the form of Adam.

So, Genesis 2:7 provides the FORMULA of how God created Adam. His “breathing” into him was not air to jump start his existence. This was His holiness that was breathed into him .

After Adam sinned, this was taken back but Adam still breathed, still had his sense of awareness, his consciousness, but now he was no longer a “living soul”, but a “living being.” I believe everyone uses soul or spirit as a third part of our being that is separate from one another. But I don’t believe this is how we are created. The only difference between Adam before and after his removal from the Garden is he no longer was a “living soul” that had God’s holiness within him. Nothing else was taken away from him - he was now a “living being” in need of restoring God’s holiness back into him IF he wanted to be back in the presence of God.

All of this I will read later my friend as it’s very late here and I must sleep.

 

[Ritajanice]

But after he sinned, that “holiness, that righteousness, that spirit that came from God could no longer be within Adam: God’s imputed holiness cannot be in the presence of sin. And the only place we can find ANY holiness or righteousness is in our Lord. Thus, it had to return back to God and Adam had to be removed from the Garden. Now, he was just like all the other creatures that God had made- he continued to breathe as before, but now he could die just like all other creatures and as he lost God’s “spirit, His holiness, His righteousness” that was given only to him.

Interesting take on Adam, if the spirit was taken from Adam, could he not have ceased to exist?

I may be mumbling, as I’m very tired, can’t think straight, catch you tomorrow.

 

[marks]

Let me ask… when Jesus was on the cross did He make the statement, “ into your hands I commit my spirit?”

Because while still being the Son of God, Jesus was also the Son of Man. He prayed to the Father, Into Your hands I commit My spirit" for the same reason He prayed in the garden, "If it be possible, remove this cup, nevertheless, not My will, but Yours be done". He was a human, a man, trusting His Father. He didn't want to suffer the torturous death He knew was waiting for Him. But He was obedient, trusting His Father. Your will be done. And in laying down His life, He died a human's death, and entrusted Himself to His Father.

Much love!

 

[Johann]

I was looking at the Hebrews references, and it looks like they use a different wording,

Hebrews 10:6-8 KJV
6) In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
7) Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
8) Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;

"in burnt offering and for sin" or, "concerning sin" while in 2 Corintians 5,

2 Corinthians 5:21 KJV
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

This place doesn't use the same wording, "for sin". It seems to me that the correct reading should be "He made Him sin", that is, to be sin, a noun. So this seems like a different case.

Much love!

@Johann

Thanks for the tag brother but I am tired-01.49 AM.

Johann.

 

[Ritajanice]

Let me ask… when Jesus was on the cross did He make the statement, “ into your hands I commit my spirit?”

I believe that God created Adam by taking the dust of the earth and then He breathed “His Holy Spirit” into him. This is not the same as the Holy Spirit - the 3rd person of the trinity, rather it represents His holiness, His righteousness. This is what separates man from every other living creature. In this state, Adam was indeed like God (not God). He was a “living soul” who would never die or be in need of anything but his God.

But after he sinned, that “holiness, that righteousness, that spirit that came from God could no longer be within Adam: God’s imputed holiness cannot be in the presence of sin. And the only place we can find ANY holiness or righteousness is in our Lord. Thus, it had to return back to God and Adam had to be removed from the Garden. Now, he was just like all the other creatures that God had made- he continued to breathe as before, but now he could die just like all other creatures and as he lost God’s “spirit, His holiness, His righteousness” that was given only to him.

But of course, God would immediately design a plan to restore Adam (mankind) to the Garden to be able to be in His presence once again. Man can not obtain, work for or buy this “spirit, this holiness, this righteousness,” - it is only found within God and for Him to give.

Jesus would come to the earth absolutely sinless and pur, and He was willing to sacrifice His life for many - all those who would believe in Him.

This would require Jesus to take on the sin of the world and this would look just like what Adam had gone through. Jesus was sinless with the “spirit, the holiness, the righteousness” of God within Him until He “willingly” took on the sin of the world. Now, just like Adam, He would have to give up God’s “spirit, His holiness, His righteousness,” that was within Him and return it to His Father. Jesus would willingly do this for mankind and just like Adam, He would die.

But in 3 days, God would raise Him up with an incorruptible body, He would be sinless, perfect in the eyes of God. This is symbolically how things will be for mankind. For those who believe in Jesus, He will raise us up in an incorruptible body and He will not remember our sins. God will restore “His” holiness, “His” righteousness, “His” Holy Spirit back into us as we were once made in the form of Adam.

So, Genesis 2:7 provides the FORMULA of how God created Adam. His “breathing” into him was not air to jump start his existence. This was His holiness that was breathed into him .

After Adam sinned, this was taken back but Adam still breathed, still had his sense of awareness, his consciousness, but now he was no longer a “living soul”, but a “living being.” I believe everyone uses soul or spirit as a third part of our being that is separate from one another. But I don’t believe this is how we are created. The only difference between Adam before and after his removal from the Garden is he no longer was a “living soul” that had God’s holiness within him. Nothing else was taken away from him - he was now a “living being” in need of restoring God’s holiness back into him IF he wanted to be back in the presence of God.

Apologies, I can see that you have given an in depth and detailed account of Adam not dying in spirit.

I knew I was mumbling and not concentrating on what you typed.will get back to your post tomorrow...I must sleep.

 

[marks]

Thanks for the tag brother but I am tired-01.49 AM.

Johann.

May God bless you with sweet rest!

Much love!