Are the trumpets and vials running in parallel like some insist?

[TribulationSigns]

He has none. He thinks the 7th trumpet starts sounding at the same time the 5th trumpet does, which is obviously complete nonsense. His timeline is completely messed up.

There you go! I agreed.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Why not ? We can go there to that site you were previously aquainted with each other and see that you and Spiritual Israelite are two different persons.

Are you seriously still questioning if we are the same person? What is wrong with you? You need professional help.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Why not ? We can go there to that site you were previously aquainted with each other and see that you and Spiritual Israelite are two different persons.

Are you not able to read? Why are you asking him that when I already told you it is christianforums.com and we are both still members there. I still post there occasionally (as Spiritual Jew), but I spend more time on this forum these days. You are on that other forum as well.

 

[Davidpt]

Why not ? We can go there to that site you were previously aquainted with each other and see that you and Spiritual Israelite are two different persons.

Douggg, I have been knowing both of them since 2009 maybe even earlier. Both of them were posting on the same board I was at the time. I was also aware of some other boards at the time where both of them were posting at, except I was not posting at those boards. I was mainly reading what was being posted by Amils, such as them, and what was being posted by Premils in response.

@WPM and @Spiritual Israelite history together go back a long way, even before I knew them they were already posting together at some of the same boards.

Not only did I know them back in 2009 or earlier, I also knew @rwb as well. All 4 of us were posting at the same site at the time, meaning Bibleforums before it closed down eventually and became Bibleforums.us I think. You eventually joined that board as well, except @WPM was no longer posting there at that point.

Almost forget, 5 of us have a history there together, meaning @keras as well. Better make that seven, lol. @CadyandZoe was also posting there, plus @Martyfox was as well.

 

[Douggg]

Are you not able to read? Why are you asking him that when I already told you it is christianforums.com and we are both still members there. I still post there occasionally (as Spiritual Jew), but I spend more time on this forum these days. You are on that other forum as well.

What is WPM's screen-name there ?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Douggg, I have been knowing both of them since 2009 maybe even earlier. Both of them were posting on the same board I was at the time. I was also aware of some other boards at the time where both of them were posting at, except I was not posting at those boards.

There was one other one, so I'm not sure what other ones you're talking about besides that. The only Christian boards/forums I've posted on have been Bible Forums (no longer exists, you posted there also), Christian Forums (we all still post there, but not much these days) and this one. But, maybe he posted on other ones as well.

I was mainly reading what was being posted by Amils, such as them, and what was being posted by Premils in response.

@WPM and @Spiritual Israelite history together go back a long way, even before I knew them they were already posting together at some of the same boards.

I think your memory is a little off, but that's okay. The first board/forum I posted on was Bible Forums and you were both posting there already before I joined.

Not only did I know them back in 2009 or earlier, I also knew @rwb as well. All 4 of us were posting at the same site at the time, meaning Bibleforums before it closed down eventually and became Bibleforums.us I think. You eventually joined that board as well, except @WPM was no longer posting there at that point.

Almost forget, 5 of us have a history there together, meaning @keras as well. Better make that seven, lol. @CadyandZoe was also posting there, plus @Martyfox was as well.

Yep. So, thank you for proving Doug wrong even though it shouldn't have been necessary.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

What is WPM's screen-name there ?

sovereigngrace

Read Davidpt's post if you're still not convinced that we're not the same people. What a joke this is. You should be embarrassed.

 

[Davidpt]

What is WPM's screen-name there ?

It's sovereigngrace, or something along those lines in the event I did not get that entirely correct. I'm going by memory here.

 

[Douggg]

Douggg, I have been knowing both of them since 2009 maybe even earlier. Both of them were posting on the same board I was at the time. I was also aware of some other boards at the time where both of them were posting at, except I was not posting at those boards. I was mainly reading what was being posted by Amils, such as them, and what was being posted by Premils in response.

@WPM and @Spiritual Israelite history together go back a long way, even before I knew them they were already posting together at some of the same boards.

Not only did I know them back in 2009 or earlier, I also knew @rwb as well. All 4 of us were posting at the same site at the time, meaning Bibleforums before it closed down eventually and became Bibleforums.us I think. You eventually joined that board as well, except @WPM was no longer posting there at that point.

Almost forget, 5 of us have a history there together, meaning @keras as well. Better make that seven, lol. @CadyandZoe was also posting there, plus @Martyfox was as well.

Thanks for the information. Time to move on.

 

[WPM]

Thanks for the information. Time to move on.

No. Time for you to humble yourself, apologize and remove your false accusations.

 

[Douggg]

No. Time for you to humble yourself, apologize and remove your false accusations.

I questioned, not accused. No apologizing. Enough time has been wasted on this matter already, diverting away from biblical eschatology issues.

 

[Davidpt]

He has none. He thinks the 7th trumpet starts sounding at the same time the 5th trumpet does, which is obviously complete nonsense. His timeline is completely messed up.

There you go then. Since that obviously is not an example of good logic, how is it any different if one is insisting that the trumpets and vials parallel? Seal 6 is when God's wrath begins, is it not? And that a number of us, including you, agree the 6th seal involves the 7th trumpet, right? Except some of you have the 1st trumpet already involving God's wrath the fact you insist the 1st vial is poured out during trumpet 1.

Revelation 15:5 And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:
6 And the seven angels came out of the temple, having the seven plagues, clothed in pure and white linen, and having their breasts girded with golden girdles.
7 And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God, who liveth for ever and ever.
8 And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled.

Revelation 16:1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.
2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.

According to some of you, vial 1 is meaning during trumpet 1.

Revelation 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?


According to some of you this is involving the 7th trumpet.

Revelation 8:2 And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets.
3 And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.
4 And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand.
5 And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake.
6 And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound.
7 ¶The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.


According to some of you verse 7 isn't meaning after when Revelation 6:17 is meaning. It is meaning before when Revelation 6:17 is meaning. Well at least you are being logical about that.

Why are you then being illogical about Revelation 16:2 by insisting God's wrath begins during trumpet 1 even though the 6th seal is already plainly telling us by also comparing to the 7th trumpet in Revelation 11, that God's wrath doesn't even begin until the 7th trumpet? Can't some of you see that you are contradicting things here rather than having all these things agreeing with each other?

Since the first trumpet can't be following the 6th seal events if those are involving the 7th trumpet, what event/s does the first trumpet follow? Are there any clues in that that inform us the 7 last vials of wrath begin with the first trumpet?

In my mind, though it is not reasonable that Revelation 8:7 follows after when Revelation 6:17 is meaning, assuming it is meaning the 7th trumpet, the same can't be said of Revelation 16:2 and Revelation 6:17 too, that it is not reasonable that it follows Revelation 6:17. Of course it is reasonable. And the way it is reasonable is simple. Revelation 16:2 is not meaning when Revelation 8:7 is meaning. Revelation 16:2 is meaning when Revelation 6:17 is meaning. Simple.

 

[WPM]

I questioned, not accused. No apologizing. Enough time has been wasted on this matter already, diverting away from biblical eschatology issues.

You have falsely accused two brethren on this board of deceit and impersonation. You are so full of pride you cannot even apologize. You have lost all credibility. How can we take anything you say serious anymore? This has been very revealing of who you really are. It explains your stubborn refusal to receive the biblical truth. You can wash your hands like Pilate, but you have been caught on.

Here are your false accusations:

Let's see, you and Spiritual Israelite joined the forum about a month apart. Coincidence ?

He has 3,993 thumbs up likes. And you have 3,402. Coincidence ?

And I have never seen you and Spiritual Israelite disagree on anything.

So I guess you are telling us that you and Spiritual Israelite are the same person. As you and him are the only two persons who have ever told me that.

 

[Douggg]

You have falsely accused two brethren on this board of deceit and impersonation. You are so full of pride you cannot even apologize. You have lost all credibility. How can we take anything you say serious anymore? This has been very revealing of who you really are. It explains your stubborn refusal to receive the biblical truth. You can wash your hands like Pilate, but you have been caught on.

Here are your false accusations:

I am putting you on my ignore list. So I will not be seeing any more of your posts.

 

[WPM]

I am putting you on my ignore list. So I will not be seeing any more of your posts.

Do shat you want. The show goes on.

You should have taken ownership of your false claims and apologized and we could have moved on. But no.

There has been no acknowledgement of your false assertions. Just a justifying, a papering over the issue and a putting under the carpet.

That is not the way it works.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Are you not able to read? Why are you asking him that when I already told you it is christianforums.com and we are both still members there. I still post there occasionally (as Spiritual Jew), but I spend more time on this forum these days. You are on that other forum as well.

Spiritual Jew on Christianforums? Well nice to meet with you again here.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I questioned, not accused. No apologizing. Enough time has been wasted on this matter already, diverting away from biblical eschatology issues.

You should at least admit that it was ridiculous for you to even question it. You're the one who brought that nonsense up and created a distraction, so just blame yourself for that.

 

[TribulationSigns]

I am putting you on my ignore list. So I will not be seeing any more of your posts.

You should at least admit that it was ridiculous for you to even question it. You're the one who brought that nonsense up and created a distraction, so just blame yourself for that.

I agree with Spiritual Israelite. You made false assumptions before accusing him, and you didn't even accept his explanation. So, it was you who misbehaved.

 

[Douggg]

I agree with Spiritual Israelite. You made false assumptions before accusing him, and you didn't even accept his explanation. So, it was you who misbehaved.

You have already been on my ignore list for quiet a while now.

 

[Douggg]

You should at least admit that it was ridiculous for you to even question it. You're the one who brought that nonsense up and created a distraction, so just blame yourself for that.

I am putting you on my ignore list also.