Regarding the matter of EV's

[Raccoon1010]

Difference between a battery and a capacitor:

"Batteries and similar devices accept, store, and release electricity on demand. Batteries use chemistry, in the form of chemical potential, to store energy, just like many other everyday energy sources." https://www.energy.gov/science/doe-explainsbatteries

"A capacitor is an electrical device for storing charge. In general, capacitors are made from two or more plates of conducting material separated by a layer or layers of insulators. The capacitor can store energy to be given to a circuit when needed. " Capacitors

 

[Raccoon1010]

What is Cherenkov Radiation?

 

[Raccoon1010]

 

[Raccoon1010]

Saw more EV fires on the news because of just one of the problems they create:


EV, lithium-ion battery fires hit with unprecedented levels across America: Report | Fox Business Video

 

[Raccoon1010]

I had one of those "Duh" moments this morning watching a movie and seeing electric rail transportation. And I had a flash back of those little toy electric cars that you had a childhood electric track at home and would power this ultimate high speed and power per scale electric tiny car. It would accelerate with enough force to literally smash a human body into a pancake with g-force acceleration.

Then it dawned on me, are those electric rail cars even cost effective in relation to gas powered vehicles and how much electricity are they consuming from the power grid. Are they causing more grid black outs which can result in loss of human life. For the power grid problems and potential loss of human life look at post #1 of this thread which is the first post.

Along the lines of electric based vehicles take a look at EV power consumption during operation of the electric motor used to power the vehicle. A vehicle must climb a hill which increases the power requirements needed to raise the energy of the car to a higher elevation of the earth which the weight of the car and the weight of the people, animals and transported other items of weight. It must also accelerate to speed which if flat has specific physics conditions of not only velocity but instead acceleration. That can use a tremendous amount of power. A typical gasoline engine is quite effective at that due to the use of chemical explosive power, which is much more powerful then the standard electric power used in homes and other normal use that we might understand as members of society.

A decent muscle car can be rated at about 500 horse power which equates to a electric power of 373 kilowatts which is volts times amperage. I was aware that cars use about 12 volts and at about one half a megawatt that relates to 40,000 amps. Now it is dangerous amperage as far as the cross section of a metal needed to conduct that much amperage thru a wire or conductor. In fact amperage is a major problem in power transfer with high amperage conductor operation as it heats up the wire or conductor in massive amounts of heat. 40,000 watts is enough to melt and start ignition fires which can cause loss of human life. The batteries used in those EV's are from China? And they must convey tremendous amounts of power to the electric motor(s).

Be careful not to confuse watt hours with watts. Most physicists make their mistakes not understanding or using improper units. Watts is power which is volts times amps, while watt hours is the amount of energy consumed in one hours is what I saw as a definition on the internet.

Even if the voltage is not 12 volts for an EV motor it still is tremendous power. In fact high voltage is dangerous to conduct as it jumps between conductors and can cause electric shock and all manner of injury. I'm assuming that is DC electricity which is less dangerous for electric arcing.

Are we seeing EV meltdowns and loss of life due to dangerous usage and EV design that risks human life of the less educated humans that operate them? I know we are seeing a lot of battery fires that injure and kill people from cell phones, vaping, EV's and whatever else was combusting and burning people and their bodies. Not to mention traffic blockage which is increasing stress on drivers on roads.

The internet appeared to be deceptive regarding the physics behind EV design and appeared to hide the actual information necessary to calculate the physics and therefore risks to human life of a EV motor.

 

[lforrest]

I did witness the usage of control and other techniques attempting to block the previous post, which God witnessed to me was operated in the United States and also Russia. In God the Father's judgment area of me, he placed most of the damages to my life towards Russia and some areas here in the USA. The effect of the control appeared to be to slow and block me from the truth to be able to expose the truth in this thread.

I saw a corrupt area of the industry and possibly government from that affect it had trying to keep me from finding and displaying the problems with EV and risk to life. Yet I succeeded as provided by God and there may be more problems I did not see. I am still wondering what is being hidden from the public regarding those matters which should be made public to inform the public of dangers in operating an electric vehicle (EV).

I called it MK-Ultra which is similar and might be different. I have posted those articles elsewhere on this forum. See the thread: Their tracking you?

I concluded they wanted to keep the people whose lives were at risk stupid. And un-educated thru internet deceptions.

You know what could be dangerous, trying to drive your electric car on flooded streets. High current and water are not a good combination.

 

[Raccoon1010]

You know what could be dangerous, trying to drive your electric car on flooded streets. High current and water are not a good combination.

I'm not totally sure why EV vehicles are exploding like the cell phone problem and other lithium ion battery operated devices, but let me look around for the shorting idea and in the mean while here is a rather unpleasant looking bus explosive video. While I don't know why the bus exploded it should be explained and assessed for public safety:

 

[Raccoon1010]

I found this short circuit video:

Please keep in mind that rear gas vehicle accidents can spill and ignite gasoline if the gas tank is rear mounted. I did not check the difference in safety between lithium ion battery vehicles and gasoline. Accidents are one portion.

Please be a defensive driver in either case and protect yourself wisely from accidents whether your fault or others.

All this has made me think about fire safety. If in an accident or witnessing one it is a good idea to maintain a safe distance from a vehicle so long as no one is left in the car. If you don't know that someone is left in car and witnessing a fire, then use precaution as necessary.

 

[Jericho]

The whole selling point of EVs was to better the environment (that's if you believe CO2 emissions are really a problem, I do not). But it doesn't solve the problem for which it was created. In fact, it creates new problems. It's been said that it takes more CO2 to produce an EV than a gas powered car. Then the energy used to power EVs usually comes from fossil fuel plants. Most of the lithium batteries will end up in a landfill along with old solar panels and wind turbines. The lithium mines themselves are destructive to the environment and use a massive amount of water, creating local shortages. They are trying to force EVs on us, but I believe that will fail because the infrastructure is just not set up for it. After the novelty wears off, I think they will only remain as a nitch market.

We seem to be investing a lot of energy and resources into old technologies instead of looking into new technologies. Solar cells have been around for over 70 years, and we have been harnessing the power of the wind for centuries, albeit not always for electricity. What is needed is research into new areas. Nikola Tesla believed the Earth's electrical charges could provide unlimited energy. Some people speculate such technologies exist, or at least the ideas do, but have been suppressed by the powers that be. Who knows?

 

[Raccoon1010]

Here is an article about how EV fires occur:
Electric Vehicle Battery Fires: What You Need to Know

 

[Raccoon1010]

Electric vehicles are said to operate at 400 volts at around 935 amps. With that amount of amperage running thru a wire that changes over time perhaps rapidly during acceleration I was concerned about EMF radiation on the human body. These are new vehicles relatively and I wondered about whether there were studies done of the physiological effects. Or do they know. And is that electric motor wire wound electro-magnetic and how much magnetic field does it produce?

Usually with CDC and disease and medicines they must have human trials first.

Thoughts?

 

[Raccoon1010]

Now I don't want to threaten the idea of EV's. I proposed in the OP a potential power plant and super capacitor energy storage idea.

Let's look at the present:

What are the most powerful electric cars in 2024?

The most powerful electric car is Lotus Evija that has 1500 kW (2011 hp). The second is Aspark Owl that has 1480 kW (1984 hp) and the third most powerful electric car is Pininfarina Battista that has 1417 kW (1899 hp).

 

[Raccoon1010]

@JohnDB, I thought you might be interested in this latest "Toyota" recall. I remember we talked about the over complication of vehicular machinery and the problems in can cause in reliability and maintenance. Here is the article from Fox news:

Toyota recalls certain SUV models over potential safety issues

From the article:

"The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration announced the recall, which pertains only to 2023-24 Corolla Cross Hybrid vehicles, on Friday."

"In a press release published last week, Toyota said that some of the Corolla Cross Hybrid automobiles will mistakenly brake abruptly in some instances."

Braking, and potential car fires during collision is a serious matter for owners. They should immediately contact the dealer and find out what needs to be done. I don't recommend driving that vehicle until the problem is resolved.

Thanks for your time! Cheers!

 

[Rockerduck]

Every country outside of the west are destroying the planet. China does care about the environment, they still throw garbage in rivers, Thailand is the same, N. Korea the same plus manufacturing missiles for Iran, Chernobyl disaster in 1986, Ukraine and Russian war, Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas, Israel. African countries are starving, but Yemen can fire ICBM's at Isreal to be exploded in the atmosphere. Don't you think the planet is waiting for Jesus now? Electric cars are a distraction from the real problems facing the world.

 

[Scott Downey]

People pursuing-promoting electric cars are virtue signaling and fooling themselves.

 

[JohnDB]

@JohnDB, I thought you might be interested in this latest "Toyota" recall. I remember we talked about the over complication of vehicular machinery and the problems in can cause in reliability and maintenance. Here is the article from Fox news:

Toyota recalls certain SUV models over potential safety issues

From the article:

"The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration announced the recall, which pertains only to 2023-24 Corolla Cross Hybrid vehicles, on Friday."

"In a press release published last week, Toyota said that some of the Corolla Cross Hybrid automobiles will mistakenly brake abruptly in some instances."

Braking, and potential car fires during collision is a serious matter for owners. They should immediately contact the dealer and find out what needs to be done. I don't recommend driving that vehicle until the problem is resolved.

Thanks for your time! Cheers!

Yes....
Overcomplication is very much a problem with new vehicles. Anyone looking to own a vehicle for decades instead of trading it in every few years knows to get a stripped down moden with as few features as possible. Because extras always break or need repairs. Power windows never last as long as manual ones. Same with transmissions. I've worn out a gear box before my clutch went out. Just the way things work.

So hybrids are going to be problematic for a long time unless they get the same money for research and reliability as all the EVs have been given.

 

[Raccoon1010]

Every country outside of the west are destroying the planet. China does care about the environment, they still throw garbage in rivers, Thailand is the same, N. Korea the same plus manufacturing missiles for Iran, Chernobyl disaster in 1986, Ukraine and Russian war, Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas, Israel. African countries are starving, but Yemen can fire ICBM's at Isreal to be exploded in the atmosphere. Don't you think the planet is waiting for Jesus now? Electric cars are a distraction from the real problems facing the world.

We've always known other countries are the main polluters. I was looking at the redish-brown haze the other day and it reminded me of the days the USA wasn't using catalytic convertors. Interesting thing is I realized the air was coming from other countries and then it suddenly caused me to realize that they don't even use that technology do they.

And there is always the problem with diesel trucks and the oily emissions, but that is the main purpose for delivery of all things good in the world. Perhaps my solution has enough energy to solve that problem without diesel emissions?

People pursuing-promoting electric cars are virtue signaling and fooling themselves.

Did you have a look at my power system idea in the beginning of this thread? It is a supreme approach to fossil fuel archaic ideas. Normally technology progresses. I know some people don't progress in their knowledge and understanding of physics and mechanics. Sometimes I go a little fast. It took me over a decade to learn some of the concepts. And it may be a difficult read to understand. Let me know if you have any questions regarding my ideas. :)

Yes....
Overcomplication is very much a problem with new vehicles. Anyone looking to own a vehicle for decades instead of trading it in every few years knows to get a stripped down moden with as few features as possible. Because extras always break or need repairs. Power windows never last as long as manual ones. Same with transmissions. I've worn out a gear box before my clutch went out. Just the way things work.

So hybrids are going to be problematic for a long time unless they get the same money for research and reliability as all the EVs have been given.

So you believe that hybrids may evolve into something useful? Perhaps, but I think the problem with the idea lies in the switching between power transmission devices. Maybe it's a little like when the power grid goes down and then some people have gas powered generators that take over. I'm not sure about how "smooth" of a transition that is on the components that make up the power train. I can't imagine the repetitious power transmission switching that happens under normal operating conditions.

 

[JohnDB]

We've always known other countries are the main polluters. I was looking at the redish-brown haze the other day and it reminded me of the days the USA wasn't using catalytic convertors. Interesting thing is I realized the air was coming from other countries and then it suddenly caused me to realize that they don't even use that technology do they.

And there is always the problem with diesel trucks and the oily emissions, but that is the main purpose for delivery of all things good in the world. Perhaps my solution has enough energy to solve that problem without diesel emissions?



Did you have a look at my power system idea in the beginning of this thread? It is a supreme approach to fossil fuel archaic ideas. Normally technology progresses. I know some people don't progress in their knowledge and understanding of physics and mechanics. Sometimes I go a little fast. It took me over a decade to learn some of the concepts. And it may be a difficult read to understand. Let me know if you have any questions regarding my ideas. :)



So you believe that hybrids may evolve into something useful? Perhaps, but I think the problem with the idea lies in the switching between power transmission devices. Maybe it's a little like when the power grid goes down and then some people have gas powered generators that take over. I'm not sure about how "smooth" of a transition that is on the components that make up the power train. I can't imagine the repetitious power transmission switching that happens under normal operating conditions.

A hybrid works by generating electricity and filtering that electricity through a set of batteries of some sort to power electric motor(s). So you can move without fuel....just not very far.

There exists either a single electric motor or one per wheel. (One per wheel has a LOT more power....but uses more fuel)

The transmission varies by manufacturer and isn't standardized at all. Unlike automatic transmissions or Allison transmissions (bump and go on tractor trailer rigs)

Hybrid tech is available and viable now....it just needs some more engineering to become viable due to lots of extra breakdowns and maintenance. But it doesn't need to remain this way. And if we put the same money into them as we have into EVs....we would be so much further along in reducing our petroleum consumption.

Peak oil is growing further out as industrialization continues to increase around the world. Reliable hybrids would go so much further to rein it in.

 

[Raccoon1010]

A hybrid works by generating electricity and filtering that electricity through a set of batteries of some sort to power electric motor(s). So you can move without fuel....just not very far.

There exists either a single electric motor or one per wheel. (One per wheel has a LOT more power....but uses more fuel)

The transmission varies by manufacturer and isn't standardized at all. Unlike automatic transmissions or Allison transmissions (bump and go on tractor trailer rigs)

Hybrid tech is available and viable now....it just needs some more engineering to become viable due to lots of extra breakdowns and maintenance. But it doesn't need to remain this way. And if we put the same money into them as we have into EVs....we would be so much further along in reducing our petroleum consumption.

Peak oil is growing further out as industrialization continues to increase around the world. Reliable hybrids would go so much further to rein it in.

I like your die hard spirit on the matter. That shows real investment into the idea. Well, I think it might be a hard sell to the auto-manufacturers at some point in the future. I know currently there are several hybrid solutions available on the market.

Interesting is the recent recall of a specific model which I believe is the new hybrid technology from Toyota, I might be wrong but here is what I found that was interesting, there was a breaking problem where the breaks would lock up and here is a witness statement:

“I had been using the adaptive cruise control, but I braked because there was traffic ahead. I was slowing down reasonably with the flow of traffic and all of a sudden the auto brake went on and slammed the car to a full stop! The pickup truck behind me had to slam his brakes and swerve and came within inches of plowing into me. The jolt threw me forward and terrified me. It was as if I wasn’t driving the car – the car did it. So dangerous!!! 2022 Toyota Camry Problems and Top Complaints - Is Your Car A Lemon?

See previous post #33 for the Corolla model recall.

 

[Raccoon1010]

I found this interesting article regarding charging issues with EV vehicles. The first point was that there are cold and hot weather issues regarding the battery and general electrical chassis. The other issue that came to mind was the availability of charging one of those vehicles. I did see recent news about charging stations, interesting, so just how long does it take when you have to be confined to a charging station:

"Refueling time is the biggest difference between all-electric vehicles (EVs) and gas-powered cars. Getting a full tank of gas takes mere minutes, but charging an EV is more time-consuming. Furthermore, the exact amount of time required to charge an EV can vary dramatically based on different factors. Completing the task can take as little as 15 minutes or as long as 40 hours or more." https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/advice/ev-charging-time

So apparently they are stating that the long charge of a more empty vehicle may approximate 40 ours, that's about 2 days full time charging. So are those people that purchase those vehicles going to wait at a charging station for 2 days? Well, maybe they're accompanied by a comfortable bed and breakfast hotel for the 2 day visit? The other interesting thing is that if it is empty, that battery, you could perhaps have two vehicles, and drive a different one, each day to work, perhaps alternating between charging vehicles. I do believe you would have to have a proper charging station installed in your home. I don't see that apartment owners have that option. Not sure if they are creating such stations at the present.