Psalm 122:6 Does NOT Refer to Jerusalem of the Zionist Israel of Today

[Arthur81]

What a foolish comment! You should read Isaiah 62 and stare directly into the Face of him who is coming.

62:5 As a young man marries a young woman, so your sons will marry you. As a bridegroom rejoices over a bride, so your God will rejoice over you. 62:6 I post watchmen on your walls, O Jerusalem; they should keep praying all day and all night. You who pray to the Lord, don’t be silent! Is 62:5–6.

If you need help with the interpretation let me know!


F2F

Isaiah chapters 61 and 62 are one sermon, they are taken together. Chapter 61 begins:

"The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;" (Isa 61:1-2 KJV)

Jesus quotes that and applies it to his first advent, when he came to provide the New Covenant in his blood -

"The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears." (Luke 4:18-21 KJV)

Therefore, I do not need your help in interpretation, Jesus has already given it. As to being anti-Zionist, that does not mean anti-Jewish. Read from the Torah Jews web site where they reject the Zionist State of Israel -

Mission – Torah Jews

torahjews.org

For those who do not like to go to links, here are the first 3 paragraphs of that site:

"The Zionist movement began about 130 years ago, launching efforts to build a Jewish state in the Holy Land. The vast majority of rabbis fought against the new movement and discouraged Jews from joining it. Their opposition was rooted in two convictions:

1. Advocating a political and military end to the Jewish exile denies the very essence of our Diaspora existence. We are in exile by Divine decree and may emerge from exile solely via Divine redemption. All human efforts to alter a metaphysical reality are doomed to end in failure and bloodshed. History has clearly borne out this teaching.

2. Zionism not only denied our fundamental belief in Heavenly redemption; it also created a pseudo-Judaism which views the essence of our identity to be a secular nationalism. Accordingly, Zionism and the State of Israel have consistently endeavored, via persuasion and coercion, to replace a Divine and Torah-centered understanding of our peoplehood with an armed materialism."

 

[face2face]

Isaiah chapters 61 and 62 are one sermon, they are taken together. Chapter 61 begins:

"The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;" (Isa 61:1-2 KJV)

Jesus quotes that and applies it to his first advent, when he came to provide the New Covenant in his blood -

"The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears." (Luke 4:18-21 KJV)

Therefore, I do not need your help in interpretation, Jesus has already given it. As to being anti-Zionist, that does not mean anti-Jewish. Read from the Torah Jews web site where they reject the Zionist State of Israel -

Mission – Torah Jews

torahjews.org

For those who do not like to go to links, here are the first 3 paragraphs of that site:

"The Zionist movement began about 130 years ago, launching efforts to build a Jewish state in the Holy Land. The vast majority of rabbis fought against the new movement and discouraged Jews from joining it. Their opposition was rooted in two convictions:

1. Advocating a political and military end to the Jewish exile denies the very essence of our Diaspora existence. We are in exile by Divine decree and may emerge from exile solely via Divine redemption. All human efforts to alter a metaphysical reality are doomed to end in failure and bloodshed. History has clearly borne out this teaching.

2. Zionism not only denied our fundamental belief in Heavenly redemption; it also created a pseudo-Judaism which views the essence of our identity to be a secular nationalism. Accordingly, Zionism and the State of Israel have consistently endeavored, via persuasion and coercion, to replace a Divine and Torah-centered understanding of our peoplehood with an armed materialism."

So you don't understand the grafting in of the refined of Israel?

They will be called, “The Holy People, the Ones Protected by the Lord.” You will be called, “Sought After, City Not Abandoned.”
Is 62:12.

Maybe the arrogance Paul spoke of has come to you?

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[Fred J]

"Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: 'May they prosper who love you. Peace be within your walls and security within your towers.'” Psa 122:6-7 NRSVue

When this is applied to this day, it refers to the church of Jesus Christ, not the UN created State of Zionist Israel -

"Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. But the other woman corresponds to the Jerusalem above; she is free, and she is our mother." Gal 4:25-26 NRSVue

Worship centered in Jerusalem was in the days of the Law, the Old Covenant. We now worship in spirit and truth in the New Covenant, in the church of Jesus Christ.

"Jesus said to her, 'Woman, believe me, the hour is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews. But the hour is coming and is now here when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father seeks such as these to worship him. God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.'” Joh 4:21-24 NRSVue

Christian believers come before God in the heavenly Jerusalem, the city of the living God.

"But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable angels in festal gathering, and to the assembly of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God the judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel." Heb 12:22-24 NRSVue

"All of these died in faith without having received the promises, but from a distance they saw and greeted them. They confessed that they were strangers and foreigners on the earth, for people who speak in this way make it clear that they are seeking a homeland. If they had been thinking of the land that they had left behind, they would have had opportunity to return. But as it is, they desire a better homeland, that is, a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God; indeed, he has prepared a city for them." Heb 11:13-16 NRSVue

Since we are to pray for all categories of men -

"First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all men, for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life, godly and respectful in every way." 1Ti 2:1-2 RSV

Today we no more pray for Zionist Jerusalem than we'd pray for New York City, Baltimore, or Chicago, etc. ...

"But seek the welfare of the city where I have sent you into exile, and pray to the LORD on its behalf, for in its welfare you will find your welfare." Jer 29:7 NRSVue

Important views of Torah Jews on Zionism: Mission – Torah Jews

A Christian who is excitedly focused on Jerusalem today appears to be a Zionist and Judaizer.

Thank you for bringing that up.

Nevertheless, it is still GOD's nation, the land promised to Abraham's descendant through Isaac. And named after Jacob who is Israel, with his 12 sons' tribe and descendants residing. Moreover they're the apple of GOD's eye, all of them as HIS people Biblically. And it's capital Jerusalem, is the city of David, the firstborn King of Israel and the last King is Jesus Christ, also Biblically stated.

Again as too Biblically prophesied, the Jews all over wherever they've been scattered, returned back to their land in 1947. And once again proclaimed the state of Israel, whether today appears to be Zionist and Judaizer sect residing. Overall, the true Jew or true Israelite, are among them, as Biblically mentioned, who are the actual descendants of the 12 sons of Jacob/Israel.

Finally Biblically is written that, till the fullness of the Gentiles be come in by the Gospel one day. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob. (Romans 11:25&26)

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ

 

[Arthur81]

So you don't understand the grafting in of the refined of Israel?

They will be called, “The Holy People, the Ones Protected by the Lord.” You will be called, “Sought After, City Not Abandoned.”
Is 62:12.

Maybe the arrogance Paul spoke of has come to you?

F2F

But if some of the branches(Physical Jews) were broken off, and you, a wild olive shoot(Elect Gentiles), were grafted in their place to share the richness/rich root (Jesus the Christ) of the olive tree(God's people), do not boast over the branches(Physical Jews). If you do boast, remember it is not you that support the root(Christ), but the root(Christ) that supports you. You will say, “Branches(Physical Jews) were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast only through faith. So do not become proud, but stand in awe. For if God did not spare the natural branches(Physical Jews), neither will he spare you. Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God’s kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness; otherwise you too will be cut off. And even the others(Physical Jews), if they do not persist in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God has the power to graft them in again. For if you have been cut from what is by nature a wild olive tree(Gentiles), and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree(God's people), how much more will these natural branches(Elect Jews) be grafted back into their own olive tree(God's people). Lest you be wise in your own conceits, I want you to understand this mystery, brethren: a hardening has come upon part of Israel(Physical Jews), until the full number of the Gentiles come in, and so all Israel(elect Jews & elect Gentiles) will be saved; as it is written, “The Deliverer will come from Zion, he will banish ungodliness from Jacob”; “and this will be my covenant with them when I take away their sins.” (Rom 11:17-27 RSV) *I understand "and so all Israel" will be saved; not "and then all Israel will be saved.

I know many older men of God saw a large regathering and conversion to Christ of the Jews just prior to the return of Christ; but I believe the Jewish remnant was being saved all along through church history.

Keep in mind, the same exact word can be used in the very same verse with two different meanings - "But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead." (Matt 8:22, KJV)

But it is not as though the word of God had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, and not all are children of Abraham because they are his descendants; but “Through Isaac shall your descendants be named.” (Rom 9:6-7 RSV)

For he is not a real Jew who is one outwardly, nor is true circumcision something external and physical. He is a Jew who is one inwardly, and real circumcision is a matter of the heart, spiritual and not literal. His praise is not from men but from God. (Rom 2:28-29 RSV)

But far be it from me to glory except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world. For neither circumcision counts for anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation. Peace and mercy be upon all who walk by this rule, upon the Israel of God. (Gal 6:14-16 RSV)

The Old Covenant abolished at the cross, the Jew's temple destroyed in 70 AD as Jesus said it would, and the kingdom was taken from Israel and given to the New Covenant believers, the assembly of God; or, in old ecclesiastical language the church.

I do not recall any prophecy whatsoever in the OT that covers any period after the general resurrection on the last day. The prophecies cover the Messianic reign, the death and resurrection of Christ, the gospel age. To see prophesies for the post resurrection and judgement day, I stay with the New Covenant. There is not a single verse in the NT predicting a third temple to be built. Israel formed in 1948 is today a nation of Christ rejecting people, hardly fulfilling any biblical prophecy. As I posted, the Torah Jews themselves reject the idea the current Israel is a fulfillment of biblical prophecy since they are not spiritually renewed, in their belief, it is a Zionist creation.

 

[face2face]

But if some of the branches(Physical Jews) were broken off, and you, a wild olive shoot(Elect Gentiles), were grafted in their place to share the richness/rich root (Jesus the Christ) of the olive tree(God's people), do not boast over the branches(Physical Jews).

The root is actually the Promises of God which are Yes, In Christ Jesus!

If you do boast, remember it is not you that support the root(Christ), but the root(Christ) that supports you. You will say, “Branches(Physical Jews) were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast only through faith. So do not become proud, but stand in awe. For if God did not spare the natural branches(Physical Jews), neither will he spare you. Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God’s kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness; otherwise you too will be cut off. And even the others(Physical Jews), if they do not persist in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God has the power to graft them in again. For if you have been cut from what is by nature a wild olive tree(Gentiles), and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree(God's people), how much more will these natural branches(Elect Jews)

Can you see what you have done there?

These started as natural Jews and through suffering and being purged as silver were grafted back into their own tree.

You are going to the end of the process however the Word of God is clear that the Jews will be married to Zion and have unity in Christ when he returns. Isaiah 62 makes that extremely clear!

be grafted back into their own olive tree(God's people). Lest you be wise in your own conceits, I want you to understand this mystery, brethren: a hardening has come upon part of Israel(Physical Jews), until the full number of the Gentiles come in, and so all Israel(elect Jews & elect Gentiles) will be saved; as it is written, “The Deliverer will come from Zion, he will banish ungodliness from Jacob”; “

You bolded the wrong section!

Christ will banish ungodliness from natural Israel represented here by the use of Jacob!

and this will be my covenant with them when I take away their sins.” (Rom 11:17-27 RSV) *I understand "and so all Israel" will be saved; not "and then all Israel will be saved.

All Israel is here:

3:14 “Come back to me, my wayward sons,” says the Lord, “for I am your true master. If you do, I will take one of you from each town and two of you from each family group, and I will bring you back to Zion Je 3:14.

That whole section is speaking to natural Jewry - do you know how you can prove that?

Read on and you will see!

You use of elect Jew and Gentile is blinding you from seeing the work ahead.

Read with more care and it will be shown to you.

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[David in NJ]

Sorry but Jerusalem was , is and always remain the earthly city of God. It is not a UN zionist created city. It is where two temples stood and the third will be built. It is the city god called His footstool and where Jesus will reign from when H establishes His earthly millennial kingdom.

These quotees are from "Christians want to know and got questions".

City of Zion​

Zion, sometimes called Mount Zion, is synonymous with Jerusalem or the City of David (1st Kings 8:1). These names are all used interchangeably when referring to Jerusalem, so Zion refers to the land of Israel, the historical home of the Israelites, but the City of Zion refers to Jerusalem. It is a great place of religious significance to Israel. It says in 2nd Samuel 5:7, “David took the stronghold of Zion, that is, the city of David,” so we can see that the City of Zion is also the City of David, but Zion has special meaning in the Bible. The psalmist prays that salvation would come out of Zion (Jerusalem) (Psalm 14:7, 53:6), and “God will save Zion and build up the cities of Judah, and people shall dwell there and possess it” (Psalm 69:35), so Zion is more than a place. It is where God is and the people of God are to be. And best of it, it is where salvation came from, speaking of Calvary and the redemptive work of Christ, and as the Prophet Isaiah foretold; “Behold, I am the one who has laid as a foundation in Zion, a stone, a tested stone, a precious cornerstone, of a sure foundation: ‘Whoever believes will not be in haste” (Isaiah 28:16), but someday, “the ransomed of the Lord shall return and come to Zion with singing; everlasting joy shall be upon their heads; they shall obtain gladness and joy, and sorrow and sighing shall flee away” (Isaiah 51:11).

Jerusalem in prophecy. The Bible predicted that the Jewish people would return to Israel, and Jerusalem figures prominently in prophecies concerning the end times (Joel 3:1; Jeremiah 23:3; 30:7; Ezekiel 11:17; 37:1–14). Someday, the Jewish temple will be rebuilt in the Holy City (Daniel 9:27; 12:11; Matthew 24:15; 2 Thessalonians 2:3–4).


Zechariah 12:2–4 refers to the futility of people attacking Jerusalem: “I am going to make Jerusalem a cup that sends all the surrounding peoples reeling. Judah will be besieged as well as Jerusalem. On that day, when all the nations of the earth are gathered against her, I will make Jerusalem an immovable rock for all the nations. All who try to move it will injure themselves. On that day I will strike every horse with panic and its rider with madness.”


My eyes and my heart will always be there” (2 Chronicles 7:16). God has promised an everlasting covenant with Jerusalem (Ezekiel 16:60), and Zion has this promise:
“‘Though the mountains be shaken
and the hills be removed,
yet my unfailing love for you will not be shaken
nor my covenant of peace be removed,’
says the Lord, who has compassion on you” (Isaiah 54:10).

At His second coming, Jesus will descend to the Mount of Olives, just outside of Jerusalem (Zechariah 14:4). Jerusalem will be the seat of authority in Jesus’ kingdom, and judgment will be meted out from Zion (Micah 4:7; Isaiah 33:5; Psalm 110). With every passing day, we are closer to the Lord’s fulfillment of His promises concerning Jerusalem and His reign of true justice and peace (Isaiah 9:7). “Even so, come, Lord Jesus” (Revelation 22:20, KJV).

Matt. 5:35 It IS the city of the great king- not WAS the city of the great king.

I thought all allegorizers referred to the church as the Israel of God, now you come along and call Jerusalme the church


No they are excited because the know that Jerusalem plays a big role in the end times and that Jesus, after He defeats the anitchrist in the region of Petra, goes back to Jerusalem, ascends the Mount of Olives and will start His Millennial Kingdom.

You are correct in saying that the earth and it's fullness, including earthbound Jerusalem BELONGS to GOD our Creator.

However, due to their Ultimate Rejection of their ONLY Savior, who is the LORD of Heaven and Earth, the earthbound city of Jerusalem is in BONDAGE to sin with her children = Eternal Separation from God UNTIL the SAVIOR Returns.

There are TWO JERUSALEMS:
A.) the Eternal Heavenly Jerusalem in Heaven where CHRIST is KING of Kings and LORD of Lords = Revelation 19:11-16

b.) earthbound Jerusalem who is in Bondage to Sin without Salvation = Galatians chapters 3 and 4

Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar— for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children— but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all. For it is written:

“Rejoice, O barren,
You who do not bear!
Break forth and shout,
You who are not in labor!
For the desolate has many more children
Than she who has a husband.”
Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise. But, as he who was born according to the flesh then persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, even so it is now. Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the bondwoman and her son, for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.” So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman but of the free.

 

[David in NJ]

I know many older men of God saw a large regathering and conversion to Christ of the Jews just prior to the return of Christ;

What do you mean by "just prior to the return of Christ". - ???

The LORD Remains in HEAVEN until HE leaves HEAVEN and Descends Again from HEAVEN to earth = His Second Coming

 

[David in NJ]

These started as natural Jews and through suffering and being purged as silver were grafted back into their own tree.

You are going to the end of the process however the Word of God is clear that the Jews will be married to Zion and have unity in Christ when he returns. Isaiah 62 makes that extremely clear!

Christ will banish ungodliness from natural Israel represented here by the use of Jacob!

ALL TRUE = WHEN HE RETURNS = Matt 23:37-39

“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! See! Your house is left to you desolate; for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ”

 

[face2face]

ALL TRUE = WHEN HE RETURNS = Matt 23:37-39

“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! See! Your house is left to you desolate; for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ”

Thanks David,

Interesting to know that the Christian house will also be shown to be desolate when he returns. There will be a great irony in how this plays out at his coming.

Many Christian's is not privy to the events subsequent to, and proceeding the Lord's return.

F2F

 

[David in NJ]

Thanks David,

Interesting to know that the Christian house will also be shown to desolate when he returns. There will be a great irony in how this plays out at his coming.

Many Christian's is not privy to the events subsequent to, and proceeding the Lord's return.

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i AGREE, if by Christian house you mean 'christiandom'.

CHRIST is the House/TEMPLE of God and we are His "Living Stones" built UP into a Living Habitation of God thru the Holy Spirit.

church buildings have no Life and can offer no Life, except when Living Stones are inside preaching the Living Word to people

church buildings made by men's hands were never ordained by God

i believe that the Tribulation, which is here now, will soon grow into the GT and God will have His Church right back where it all began in Acts going from house to house breaking bread in true fellowship

christiandom corrupted whereby God is calling His People to come out of her

 

[face2face]

ALL TRUE = WHEN HE RETURNS = Matt 23:37-39

“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! See! Your house is left to you desolate; for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ”

David,

We should make mention also of those wonderful words "you (Israel) shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ”

I greive what it will take for Israel to say those words. So much suffering more than they have known surpassing the Holacaust.

But what a coronation it will be when this Scripture is fulfilled

1Then all the tribes of Israel came to David at Hebron and said, “Behold, we are your bone and your flesh. 2Previously, when Saul was king over us, you were the one who led Israel out and in. And the Lord said to you, 'You will shepherd My people Israel, and you will be a ruler over Israel.

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[face2face]

i AGREE, if by Christian house you mean 'christiandom'.

Yes agree,

CHRIST is the House/TEMPLE of God and we are His "Living Stones" built UP into a Living Habitation of God thru the Holy Spirit.

The work of this House/Temple will be to cleanse another of her filth and establish a Holy Habitation of the Lord in the Earth.

church buildings have no Life and can offer no Life, except when Living Stones are inside preaching the Living Word to people

Agree.

church buildings made by men's hands were never ordained by God

Agree

i believe that the Tribulation, which is here now, will soon grow into the GT and God will have His Church right back where it all began in Acts going from house to house breaking bread in true fellowship

While our beliefs might differ here I agree with your sentiments.

christiandom corrupted whereby God is calling His People to come out of her

This happened before, as you know, when God's house was in Jerusalem, but He moved to take up residence in Christ and the people God has given him.

F2F

 

[David in NJ]

Yes agree,

The work of this House/Temple will be to cleanse another of her filth and establish a Holy Habitation of the Lord in the Earth.


Agree.

Agree

While our beliefs might differ here I agree with your sentiments.

This happened before, as you know, when God's house was in Jerusalem, but He moved to take up residence in Christ and the people God has given him.

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i appreciate your love and encouragement

if, in the past i ever said to you things out of place that caused you sadness or hurt - please forgive me

 

[face2face]

i appreciate your love and encouragement

if, in the past i ever said to you things out of place that caused you sadness or hurt - please forgive me

Likewise.

The Forum can be a battleground at times.

Finding things to agree on is a better foundation than arguing over our differences.

F2F

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You are correct in saying that the earth and it's fullness, including earthbound Jerusalem BELONGS to GOD our Creator.

However, due to their Ultimate Rejection of their ONLY Savior, who is the LORD of Heaven and Earth, the earthbound city of Jerusalem is in BONDAGE to sin with her children = Eternal Separation from God UNTIL the SAVIOR Returns.

There are TWO JERUSALEMS:
A.) the Eternal Heavenly Jerusalem in Heaven where CHRIST is KING of Kings and LORD of Lords = Revelation 19:11-16

b.) earthbound Jerusalem who is in Bondage to Sin without Salvation = Galatians chapters 3 and 4

Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar— for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children— but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all. For it is written:

“Rejoice, O barren,
You who do not bear!
Break forth and shout,
You who are not in labor!
For the desolate has many more children
Than she who has a husband.”
Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise. But, as he who was born according to the flesh then persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, even so it is now. Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the bondwoman and her son, for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.” So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman but of the free.

I created a thread called "what will the 1000 year reign..." in end times and prophecy. I encourage you to look that up for all the Scriptures from old and new are posteed there including the current state, future state, and millennial state.

 

[David in NJ]

I created a thread called "what will the 1000 year reign..." in end times and prophecy. I encourage you to look that up for all the Scriptures from old and new are posteed there including the current state, future state, and millennial state.

i will only review your thread IF you understand and BELIEVE the words of the Holy Spirit through the Apostle Paul and Hebrews

There are TWO JERUSALEMS:
A.) the Eternal Heavenly Jerusalem in Heaven where CHRIST is KING of Kings and LORD of Lords
= Revelation 19:11-16 and Hebrews chapter 12 and Romans chapter 11

b.) earthbound Jerusalem who is in Bondage to Sin without Salvation = Galatians chapters 3 and 4

Do you AGREE with these CLEAR as DAY Scriptures???

 

[Ronald Nolette]

i will only review your thread IF you understand and BELIEVE the words of the Holy Spirit through the Apostle Paul and Hebrews

There are TWO JERUSALEMS:
A.) the Eternal Heavenly Jerusalem in Heaven where CHRIST is KING of Kings and LORD of Lords
= Revelation 19:11-16 and Hebrews chapter 12 and Romans chapter 11

b.) earthbound Jerusalem who is in Bondage to Sin without Salvation = Galatians chapters 3 and 4

Do you AGREE with these CLEAR as DAY Scriptures???

Yes I do.

 

[David in NJ]

Yes I do.

Thank You Brother for letting me know.

When the LORD Returns HE will save the earthbound nation Israel and Graft them back into the One Tree of Life where SAVED Jews and Gentiles are Now = Today if you will hear His Voice - AMEN

 

[face2face]

@Arthur81

What then? Israel failed to obtain what it was diligently seeking, but the elect obtained it. The rest were hardened, 11:8 as it is written,
Ro 11:6–8.

Can you see the issue with verse 7?

People often try to prove Paul is only speaking to Spiritual Israel (Jew & Gentile Elect) however the context of verse 1-7 is speaking of "ALL" Israel being All Natural Israel.

The issue for us is we have only seen God working with the Elect of Israel, those who have the faith of Abraham however this verse 7 provides a serious problem for those who would speak against Pauls argument and context.

How do you "work around" this context or can you deal with it honestly?

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[ChristinaL]

"Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: 'May they prosper who love you. Peace be within your walls and security within your towers.'” Psa 122:6-7 NRSVue

When this is applied to this day, it refers to the church of Jesus Christ, not the UN created State of Zionist Israel -

"Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. But the other woman corresponds to the Jerusalem above; she is free, and she is our mother." Gal 4:25-26 NRSVue

Worship centered in Jerusalem was in the days of the Law, the Old Covenant. We now worship in spirit and truth in the New Covenant, in the church of Jesus Christ.

"Jesus said to her, 'Woman, believe me, the hour is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews. But the hour is coming and is now here when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father seeks such as these to worship him. God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.'” Joh 4:21-24 NRSVue

Christian believers come before God in the heavenly Jerusalem, the city of the living God.

"But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable angels in festal gathering, and to the assembly of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God the judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel." Heb 12:22-24 NRSVue

"All of these died in faith without having received the promises, but from a distance they saw and greeted them. They confessed that they were strangers and foreigners on the earth, for people who speak in this way make it clear that they are seeking a homeland. If they had been thinking of the land that they had left behind, they would have had opportunity to return. But as it is, they desire a better homeland, that is, a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God; indeed, he has prepared a city for them." Heb 11:13-16 NRSVue

Since we are to pray for all categories of men -

"First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all men, for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life, godly and respectful in every way." 1Ti 2:1-2 RSV

Today we no more pray for Zionist Jerusalem than we'd pray for New York City, Baltimore, or Chicago, etc. ...

"But seek the welfare of the city where I have sent you into exile, and pray to the LORD on its behalf, for in its welfare you will find your welfare." Jer 29:7 NRSVue

Important views of Torah Jews on Zionism: Mission – Torah Jews

A Christian who is excitedly focused on Jerusalem today appears to be a Zionist and Judaizer.

Pray for the peace of Jerusalem refers to JERUSALEM, not the church. Replacement theology is heretical garbage. You otherwise make God out to be a liar. The creation of Israel in 1948, while it may have been largely in the hands of the UN and the UK, this was GOD's doing for He promised He would bring His chosen ones, the JEWS back to their land

“For I will take you from the nations, gather you from all the lands and bring you into your own land” (Ezek. 36:24). The passage continues, “Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean…. Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh” (Ezek. 36:25–26).

BTW you cannot be a Jew or Christian and not be a Zionist. BTW DUMP the RSV/NRSV bible, which was translated largely by non believers and get the right one the KJV.