The time, times, and a half does not include the season and time, which is the thousand years.

[tailgator]

The first three thrones were cast down, the fourth wasn’t cast down yet in 33AD.

According to Daniel the kingdom under heaven isn't given to the saints till the beast is destroyed.
The beast has not been destroyed yet.Its not destroyed till revelation 19 when the beast and false prophet are cast into the lake of fire

When are you saying this was fulfilled,33AD?


Revelation 19
19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

 

[tailgator]

I’m not the bride of Christ, nor do I believe it’s the Church. Do you think you are the bride for some reason?

I don't believe the bride is dirt as you do.
But that really has nothing to do with the discussion.

We are discussing the resurected saints living in the kingdom they inherit after the beast is destroyed.These resurected saints.

When did you say this was fulfilled?
33AD?

Revelation 20
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

 

[Davidpt]

I’m not the bride of Christ, nor do I believe it’s the Church. Do you think you are the bride for some reason?

Who do you believe it to be? There is a chance I might even agree with you here, depending on who or what you propose is the bride of Christ.

Edited to add.

Ok, now I see where you said in an earlier post that you said it involves Isaiah 62:4. Had you said it involved the new Jerusalem, that would have been different. I don't see myself agreeing with you about Isaiah 62:4, though.

 

[grafted branch]

According to Daniel the kingdom under heaven isn't given to the saints till the beast is destroyed.
The beast has not been destroyed yet.Its not destroyed till revelation 19 when the beast and false prophet are cast into the lake of fire

When are you saying this was fulfilled,33AD?


Revelation 19
19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

Daniel 7:26 says the saints take away his dominion to consume and destroy it unto the end, this takes place after the judgment sits. This is the same judgment that was set in Daniel 7:10.

Daniel 7:11 I beheld till the beast was destroyed and given to the burning flame. The word “till” is referring to the time period described in Daniel 7:26. So it stands to reason that the saints are given the kingdom prior to the beast given to the flame.

I don't believe the bride is dirt as you do.

Well then who do you suppose the land gets married to in Isaiah 62:4?

 

[grafted branch]

Who do you believe it to be? There is a chance I might even agree with you here, depending on who or what you propose is the bride of Christ.

Edited to add.

Ok, now I see where you said in an earlier post that you said it involves Isaiah 62:4. Had you said it involved the new Jerusalem, that would have been different. I don't see myself agreeing with you about Isaiah 62:4, though.

The bride is definitely New Jerusalem as seen in Revelation 21:2, but I think this is also the new covenant.

Who do you think the land gets married to in Isaiah 62:4?

 

[ewq1938]

The bride is definitely New Jerusalem as seen in Revelation 21:2, but I think this is also the new covenant.

Who do you think the land gets married to in Isaiah 62:4?

Christians (the Church) are the bride/wife:

Eph 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
Eph 5:24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
Eph 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
Eph 5:26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
Eph 5:27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
Eph 5:28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
Eph 5:29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:
Eph 5:30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
Eph 5:31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
Eph 5:32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

Here we are told plainly that the example of a man and his wife being of one flesh is about Christ and the church.


Rom 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God


Here again it is Christians that will marry Christ who was raised from the dead.


2Co 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.


Spoken to Christians, the church, being presented as Virgins in a spiritual sense.


Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Rev_17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.


If a woman, "Babylon", called a city can represent a group of unsaved people then certainly the bride of Christ, a group of saved people, can be represented as a city, "New Jerusalem", as well.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

It tells me that you are arrogant and think God reveals some truth only to you.

Thou blasphemest because I tell you the Truth?

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

I don't see it as referring to their physical, bodily resurrection and instead see it as referring to those who spiritually have part in Christ's resurrection,

But Paul called them the dead in Christ that are raised first. So is Paul saying they are spiritually dead in Christ? Of course not!

Paul and Rev. 20 is talking about those who asleep in Christ, notice they were physically killed for their faith, but now they lived…

Revelation 20:4
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

And that's what happens sometimes when someone assumes nonsense to begin with. They add yet more nonsense to it in order to get the initial nonsense to supposedly work. I guess all the animals will get moved underground as well? Why not? If they can fit on an an ark they should be able to fit underground somewhere.

It’s not nonsense, it’s based on scripture ….

Revelation 6:14-15

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14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

Where do they think Christ is returning to

The saints at the resurrection are caught up to meet the Lord in the air, until Gods wrath and indignation is complete on earth.
Isaiah 26:20
Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.”

The wedding supper of the Lamb takes place in heaven first, then the saints return with Christ to reign on earth for a thousand years.

You OTOH also need the entire planet to be engulfed in flames for some reason or another,

I don’t need the planet to be engulfed in flames, but that is what the words of God say will happen.

2 Peter 3:7-13

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7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

 

[tailgator]

Daniel 7:26 says the saints take away his dominion to consume and destroy it unto the end, this takes place after the judgment sits. This is the same judgment that was set in Daniel 7:10.

Daniel 7:11 I beheld till the beast was destroyed and given to the burning flame. The word “till” is referring to the time period described in Daniel 7:26. So it stands to reason that the saints are given the kingdom prior to the beast given to the flame.


Well then who do you suppose the land gets married to in Isaiah 62:4?

So then you are one of those people who believe the beast will reign with Christ and the saints.

Either the beast is destroyed before the saints are resurrected at Christs coming or the beast will reign with Christ.This is what the scripture says.


Revelation 19-20
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

 

[tailgator]

It’s not nonsense, it’s based on scripture ….

Revelation 6:14-15​

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14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

The saints at the resurrection are caught up to meet the Lord in the air, until Gods wrath and indignation is complete on earth.
Isaiah 26:20
Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.”

The wedding supper of the Lamb takes place in heaven first, then the saints return with Christ to reign on earth for a thousand years.

I don’t need the planet to be engulfed in flames, but that is what the words of God say will happen.

2 Peter 3:7-13​

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7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Daniel 11 is about the time of the end.
Can you show us in Daniel 11 where the entire world is engulfed in fire or can you show us where only one part of the world is engulfed in fire?

 

[tailgator]

I'm just not seeing the entire world engulfed in fire here either.Just part of it.

Revelation 6:8
I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death, and Hades was following close behind him. They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth.


"They were given power over a fourth of the earth "



Guess where this takes place.

 

[tailgator]

Ezekiel is a good source to understand what nations are destroyed before the millinium and then which nations are destroyed after the millinium.

The nations destroyed before the millinium are spoken of before Ezekiel 37 and the nations destroyed after the millinium are mentioned after ,37.
The resurection in Ezekiel 37 is the dividing line.

 

[Davidpt]

You need to put your money where your mouth is or shut up. I'm tired of you making claims without backing them up. If our interpretation of 2 Peter 3:10-12, then tell me how that passage should be interpreted. You can't be taken seriously by claiming that his interpretation and Amils interpretation of 2 Peter 3:10-12 is nonsense without even showing how it should be interpreted. Talk about nonsense! So, how do you interpret the passage exactly?

Try and do some comparing of things here and treat each account in the same manner. Have you ever thought of that? IOW, don't take it figuratively in one passage and literally in another passage when the same idea is expressed in both passages. To show what I'm meaning, consider what I have submitted below.

Isaiah 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.

Isaiah 34:4 And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll : and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree



2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?




Revelation 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood ;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together ; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

Even if it can be argued that what Isaiah 13 and Isaiah 34 are involving is not what 2 Peter 3 and Revelation 6 are involving, so what?

It doesn't make sense, thus one is not being consistent, to treat what I encased in blue in Isaiah 34 in one manner, then treat it an entirely different manner what I encased in blue in 2 Peter 3. If it's not meaning in the literal sense per the former, why would it then be meaning in the literal sense in 2 Peter 3?

Then to treat what I encased in green in Isaiah 34 in one manner, then treat it an entirely manner what I encased in green in Revelation 6. If it's not meaning in the literal sense per the former, why would it then be meaning in the literal sense in Revelation 6?

Or maybe in this case the interpreter is treating what I have encased in green in Isaiah 34 and Revelation 6, in the same manner. The interpreter is not taking these things in a literal sense in either account. Assuming this scenario, why would what I have encased in blue in both Isaiah 34 and 2 Peter 3 be being treated differently than what I have encased in green in both Isaiah 34 and Revelation 6, where the interpreter is not taking these things in the literal sense in either account? IOW, why would the host of heaven shall be dissolved, not being meant in the literal sense in Isaiah 34, but when the same idea is expressed in 2 Peter 3, it's meaning in the literal sense all of a sudden?

Especially when it can be argued that what Revelation 6:12-14 is involving is what 2 Peter 3:10-12 is involving. Except what Revelation 6:12-14 is involving, the interpreter already agreed those things are not to be taken in the literal sense. What I'm basically trying to say over all, there is obviously a connection between these 2 OT passages and these 2 NT passages I brought up. They all involve the day of the Lord. Even if a different day of the Lord is meant in the OT, thus it is not meaning the DOTL meant in the NT, why would what the DOTL is involving in Isaiah 34 and what the heavens being dissolved is involving, is not meaning in a literal sense? But in 2 Peter 3 and the DOTL that is involving, this dissolving of the heavens is now all of a sudden meaning in a literal sense? That is being consistent exactly how?

BTW, it took me a long time to type this. Totally a big waste of time on my part since you are not even going to bother entertaining anything I said, you are just going to do like you typically do, just flat out reject what I said without ever taking time to at least consider what I said first.

 

[Davidpt]

It’s not nonsense, it’s based on scripture ….

Revelation 6:14-15

King James Version

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14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

The saints at the resurrection are caught up to meet the Lord in the air, until Gods wrath and indignation is complete on earth.
Isaiah 26:20
Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.”

The wedding supper of the Lamb takes place in heaven first, then the saints return with Christ to reign on earth for a thousand years.

I don’t need the planet to be engulfed in flames, but that is what the words of God say will happen.

2 Peter 3:7-13

King James Version

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7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

One reason why it is nonsense is because, if true, this would mean the entire animal kingdom is wiped out, as in no more. There would be no way to preserve them this time around. Why did God want to preserve the animal kingdom during the flood but no longer wants to preserve them when He returns? He just burns them to death.

And another reason it is nonsense is because no passages involving the 2nd coming support it. For example, Revelation 19 is involving the 2nd coming. Yet nothing in that ch supports that the entire planet is literally engulfed in flames.

Then there is Matthew 25:31, which too is involving the 2nd coming. Except not one thing in Matthew 25 supports that the planet is engulfed in flames at the time. What's recorded in 2 Peter 3:10-12 is figurative language, the same way it's figurative language in Revelation 6 and the 6th seal. And the same way it is figurative language in Isaiah 13 and Isaiah 34 pertaining to the portions involving the day of Lord.

I might not agree with Preterists about a lot of things, but at least they have that part figured out, that it is figurative language, therefore, not meant to be taken literally.

 

[grafted branch]

Christians (the Church) are the bride/wife:

Eph 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
Eph 5:24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
Eph 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
Eph 5:26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
Eph 5:27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
Eph 5:28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
Eph 5:29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:
Eph 5:30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
Eph 5:31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
Eph 5:32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

Here we are told plainly that the example of a man and his wife being of one flesh is about Christ and the church.


Rom 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God


Here again it is Christians that will marry Christ who was raised from the dead.


2Co 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.


Spoken to Christians, the church, being presented as Virgins in a spiritual sense.


Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Rev_17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.


If a woman, "Babylon", called a city can represent a group of unsaved people then certainly the bride of Christ, a group of saved people, can be represented as a city, "New Jerusalem", as well.

Ephesians 5:22-32 does give the impression that the Church is the bride but if we draw an absolute conclusion from that then it creates issues.

For example, in verse 26 it is Christ that sanctifies and cleanses yet in Revelation 19:7 it is the bride that makes herself ready. In verse 27 Christ presents the wife/bride to Himself yet in 2 Corinthians 11:2 Paul says he has espoused that he may present them as a chaste virgin to Christ. In verse 31 it indicates the marriage is already consummated which would place Revelation 19 taking place before Ephesians was written.

Colossians 2:10 says we are complete in Him, if the marriage was still future and it involved the Church then this statement wouldn’t be true until after the marriage. If we look at verses such as Galatians 4:19 where Paul says he travailed in birth, meaning he was their mother and 1 Corinthians 4:15 where Paul places himself as their father, we can see that Paul uses these types of relationships as examples which were not meant to be taken literally.

Now look at Luke 20 where Jesus Himself talks about our condition after death.

Luke 20:35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: 36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

Clearly we are not going to be married or given in marriage after we die. I don’t know who started the idea that the Church is the bride of Christ but that view has far too many problems for me to accept it.

 

[grafted branch]

Either the beast is destroyed before the saints are resurrected at Christs coming or the beast will reign with Christ.This is what the scripture says.


Revelation 19-20

Revelation 19:20, where the beast and false prophet are cast alive into the LOF, is the same event as Revelation 20:10 where the devil is cast into the LOF.

Notice that in Revelation 20:10 the word “are” is not in the original Greek.

Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Some translations such as ESV use the word “were” instead of “are”. Revelation 20:10 should be read as, the devil was cast into the LOF where the beast and false prophet were cast in the LOF. Meaning they were all cast into the LOF together, they were cast in at Revelation 19:20 and they were cast in at Revelation 20:10, placing them as the same event.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Daniel 11 is about the time of the end.
Can you show us in Daniel 11 where the entire world is engulfed in fire or can you show us where only one part of the world is engulfed in fire?

Not all of Daniel 11 is about the time of the end ….

Daniel 11

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11 Also I in the first year of Darius the Mede, even I, stood to confirm and to strengthen him.
2 And now will I shew thee the truth. Behold, there shall stand up yet three kings in Persia; and the fourth shall be far richer than they all: and by his strength through his riches he shall stir up all against the realm of Grecia.

 

[tailgator]

Revelation 19:20, where the beast and false prophet are cast alive into the LOF, is the same event as Revelation 20:10 where the devil is cast into the LOF.

Notice that in Revelation 20:10 the word “are” is not in the original Greek.

Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Some translations such as ESV use the word “were” instead of “are”. Revelation 20:10 should be read as, the devil was cast into the LOF where the beast and false prophet were cast in the LOF. Meaning they were all cast into the LOF together, they were cast in at Revelation 19:20 and they were cast in at Revelation 20:10, placing them as the same event.

So why do I you believe the beast will reign with Christ during the 1000 years?

Do you believe the beast is the saints who are resurrected in the first resurection,?


Revelation 20
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.



I don't see where the beast is reigning upon earth after the resurection .

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

One reason why it is nonsense is because, if true, this would mean the entire animal kingdom is wiped out, as in no more.

But we know it is not BY the words of God…

Isaiah 11:6
The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

Isaiah 65:25
The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the Lord.

How do the wicked get burned to ashes if they were not burned up by fire?

Malachi 4

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4 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the Lord of hosts