Those two verses aren’t related to one another . The temple of God is the body of an individual believer and “The Antichrist” can’t sit in that temple showing himself as God.
The time, times, and a half does not include the season and time, which is the thousand years.
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tailgator
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So you believe the man who exalts himself above all that is called God at the time of the end is not the man who exalts himself above all that is called God at the time of the end?
Hmmm
Daniel 11:36
And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.
2 Thes 2
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
tailgator
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And the man who exalts himself above all that is called God just so happens to come to his end at the time the dead are raised out of the dust of the earth too.
Seems like more than just a coincidence.
Sounds to me like Paul and Daniel are talking about the same guy.
No I don’t believe that. It is impossible for “The Antichrist” to sit in your or my heart. It can’t happen and that verse isn’t even talking about the end times to start with.
tailgator
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Which verse is not talking about end times?
This one?
At the time of the end
Daniel 11:40
“At the time of the end the king of the South will engage him in battle, and the king of the North will storm out against him with chariots and cavalry and a great fleet of ships. He will invade many countries and sweep through them like a flood.
All verses in the Bible that talk about the end are talking about the end of Israel. That’s why all the New Testament writers called the times they lived in the last days.
I already explained how and so did @Stewardofthemystery in post #15. It's called context. I like his answer better, because my answer involved me asking @Marty fox to point out in Matthew 27 who he sees meaning the ones that rise to everlasting contempt. When he shouldn't even be in that chapter to begin with since Daniel 12:1 does not support anything in Matthew 27, period.
It is simply not true that what happened after Christ rose also happens per what Daniel 12:2 records.
Daniel 12:2 records this happens--And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
The following did not happen after Christ resurrected, that these---and some to shame and everlasting contempt--also rose at the time. If I'm wrong, point out who they are meaning in Matthew 27 then.
Do you believe this verse to be the Old Testament saints going to heaven with Jesus?
Eph 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
tailgator
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NT writers refered to NT times as latter days because they are the latter days of the 7.
Daniels time of the end is end times.
In fact Daniel 11:40 takes place when the beast which comes out of the abyss attacks and kills the two witnesses in Jerusalem.
The day of the Lord in which there will be great tribulation in Daniel 12:1 takes place 3.5 days later .
Daniel 12:2
Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.
Revelation 11
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
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tailgator
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Well,Daniel was very clear.
It's the time of the end.
The time of the end when the saints who are killed for their testimony in Daniel 11:33-35 are raised from the dead and rewarded in Daniel 12:2.
Revelation 14
13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
Let's get on the same page. Clearly, the bodies of saints rose after Christ's resurrection. I'm not disputing that. Daniel 12:2 does not say that only saints rise. It also says some rise to shame and everlasting contempt. Therefore, it can't fit what is recorded in Matthew 27 since both have to be true, that both saints and those that rise to everlasting shame have to rise during the same event. Let's don't pretend that Matthew 27 is the only resurrection event that can explain Daniel 12:2 when there will be a resurrection of the dead when Christ returns in the end of this age. Maybe that explains Daniel 12:2? Actually, it does.
Yes amen the end of the old covenant age the end of the temporary and sacrificial age
The reason I asked the question is because if the saints went to heaven with Jesus (they did) then that means they rose to everlasting life just as Daniel 12:2 says.
I hope everybody agrees that doctrine comes by “line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little there a little”.
Omission of events in one verse does not mean the events didn’t happen.
Omission of events in one verse does not mean the events didn’t happen.
I posted the verse in Matthew 27
Daniel was told that multitudes who sleep in the dust will awake and then a few hundred years later Matthew recorded that they did.
Also see below
Ephesians 4
7 But to each one of us grace has been given as Christ apportioned it. 8 This is why it[a] says:
“When he ascended on high,
he took many captives
and gave gifts to his people.”[b]
9 (What does “he ascended” mean except that he also descended to the lower, earthly regions[c]? 10 He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe.)
Jesus also confirmed this when He told the thief on the cross that he would be in paradise that very same day
It is what you said see below
Also Amils will tell you Satan is bound during this time, times, and a half but the words of God prove this to be false.
Notice Satan ( the Serpent) is chasing after God’s people (the woman) during this time, times, and a half trying to carry her away.
tailgator
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Then if the great tribulation took place at Christs death then that is when the great multitude which no man could number came out of that tribulation.
Daniel 12:1
And at that time Michael the great prince shall stand up, that stands over the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time: at that time thy people shall be delivered, even every one that is written in the book.
Revelation 7
13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Here a little,there a little
Even if that is true that still misses the point. It still cannot explain these--and some shall awake to shame and everlasting contempt. Is that portion missing from your translation? What part are you failing to grasp here? In order for Daniel 12:2 to be involving what Matthew 27 is involving, Matthew 27 has to be involving what Daniel 12:2 is involving. Matthew 27 is not involving anyone waking to shame and everlasting contempt, but Daniel 12:2 is. Not to mention, Mathew 27 also has to be involving what Daniel 12:1 is involving. And clearly it isn't.
tailgator
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The 1000 years does not start till after the time,times and a half .It is after the beast is destroyed in revelation 19 that the devil is locked up and the kingdom given to the resurrected saints in revelation 20.
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