The time, times, and a half does not include the season and time, which is the thousand years.

[Stewardofthemystery]

Daniel was told in

Daniel 12:7
And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.”

Included in all these things that shall be finished during this time, times, and a half is the resurrection of the dead in Christ at the last trump at the last day ( Daniel 12:2)

Also Amils will tell you Satan is bound during this time, times, and a half but the words of God prove this to be false.

Notice Satan ( the Serpent) is chasing after God’s people (the woman) during this time, times, and a half trying to carry her away.

Revelation 12:14
And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.”

AFTER this time, times, and a half comes the “season and time” which is speaking of the thousand year reign of Christ on earth with His saints.

Notice….

Daniel 7:11-12​

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11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for “a season and time.”= a thousand years

This prophecy above is confirmed in Revelation 19

Revelation 19:19-20​

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19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.”

Then in Revelation 20 we see the begin point of the season and a time, or the thousand years.

The Amils will tell you none of the unbelievers of the Nations will survive the second coming of Christ. But if you will notice in Daniel 7:12 their lives are prolonged during the thousand years…

12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

Prove all things by the words of God. Peace and God bless

 

[Davidpt]

Daniel was told in

Daniel 12:7
And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.”

Included in all these things that shall be finished during this time, times, and a half is the resurrection of the dead in Christ at the last trump at the last day ( Daniel 12:2)

Also Amils will tell you Satan is bound during this time, times, and a half but the words of God prove this to be false.

Notice Satan ( the Serpent) is chasing after God’s people (the woman) during this time, times, and a half trying to carry her away.

Revelation 12:14
And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.”

AFTER this time, times, and a half comes the “season and time” which is speaking of the thousand year reign of Christ on earth with His saints.

Notice….

Daniel 7:11-12​

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11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for “a season and time.”= a thousand years

This prophecy above is confirmed in Revelation 19

Revelation 19:19-20​

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19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.”

Then in Revelation 20 we see the begin point of the season and a time, or the thousand years.

The Amils will tell you none of the unbelievers of the Nations will survive the second coming of Christ. But if you will notice in Daniel 7:12 their lives are prolonged during the thousand years…

12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

Prove all things by the words of God. Peace and God bless

Yet someone else that sees these connections pretty much identically to how I do. Very well reasoned OP. The OP has debunked Amil, except we all know Amil will never admit it.

 

[IndianaRob]

I see all kinds of problems with the OP.

For one, and the most important one for understanding this prophecy, I don’t see where the OP addresses the scattering the power of the holy people.

Who are these holy people that get scattered?

Dan 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Who are these holy people that get scattered?

Dan 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

When the AOD was set up in 70 ad Gods people ( the woman) would flee from the persecution from the Red Dragon and the serpents seed into the wilderness and they would be scattered throughout the Nations.

Luke 21:24
And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

Daniel 11:33
And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.

During this time, times, and a half is when this war on the saints would take place, ending with the resurrection of dead in Christ.

Daniel 7:21
I beheld, and the same horn made warwith the saints, and prevailed against them;

Revelation 13:7
And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

After this time, times, and a half ( many days) the saints that were killed are to be resurrected as shown in the Lords witnesses…

Revelation 11:7-12

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7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.”

This is the sign of the resurrection of the dead in Christ being caught up in the clouds of heaven.
1 Thessalonians 4:17
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Then the saints shall inherit the Kingdoms of this world and rule the remnant of the Nations that remain with a rod of iron for a thousand years.

 

[Davidpt]

Daniel was told in

Daniel 12:7
And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.”

Included in all these things that shall be finished during this time, times, and a half is the resurrection of the dead in Christ at the last trump at the last day ( Daniel 12:2)

Also Amils will tell you Satan is bound during this time, times, and a half but the words of God prove this to be false.

Notice Satan ( the Serpent) is chasing after God’s people (the woman) during this time, times, and a half trying to carry her away.

Revelation 12:14
And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.”

AFTER this time, times, and a half comes the “season and time” which is speaking of the thousand year reign of Christ on earth with His saints.

Notice….

Daniel 7:11-12​

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11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for “a season and time.”= a thousand years

This prophecy above is confirmed in Revelation 19

Revelation 19:19-20​

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19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.”

Then in Revelation 20 we see the begin point of the season and a time, or the thousand years.

The Amils will tell you none of the unbelievers of the Nations will survive the second coming of Christ. But if you will notice in Daniel 7:12 their lives are prolonged during the thousand years…

12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

Prove all things by the words of God. Peace and God bless

What some are failing to admit, refuse to admit, is this. And not just meaning Amils. There are some Premils that won't admit it either. Meaning my point in regards to verse 12 below.

Daniel 7:9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

In verse 12 the era of time that is meaning is the same era of time verses 9-11 are meaning. And if we then compare to Revelation 19:20, we know the era of time is involving Christ's bodily return in the end of this age. This tells us that the great white throne judgment is not in view here, since it would be ludicrous that the following could happen during that event---yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.


This undeniably tells us, except we would have never known this in the first place had Revelation 20 not revealed to us that a period of time follows what is recorded in Revelation 19:20, and that it is a thousand years in length followed by a little season. Therefore, a time and a season must be meaning this thousand years and this little season in Revelation 20. Nothing else could possibly explain it if Daniel 7:11 is meaning Revelation 19:20, and that Daniel 7:12 is meaning when Daniel 7:11 and Revelation 19:20 is meaning.

IMO, and you might even disagree for all I know, Daniel 7:9 is meaning on the earth not in heaven. IOW, Christ has returned to the earth at this point. After all, when the beast is given to the burning flame, which I take to mean the LOF, none of this is taking place in heaven since the LOF couldn't possibly be in heaven. I suspect it will be on the earth though, meaning the LOF.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

IMO, and you might even disagree for all I know, Daniel 7:9 is meaning on the earth not in heaven. IOW, Christ has returned to the earth at this point. After all, when the beast is given to the burning flame, which I take to mean the LOF, none of this is taking place in heaven since the LOF couldn't possibly be in heaven. I suspect it will be on the earth though, meaning the LOF.

Right, the thrones being cast down in Daniel 7:9 is the powers that be on earth that are cast down, which also confirms their dominion is taken away at that time.

Keep in mind ALL the powers that be are ordained of God in heaven as Paul said, so when we read the powers of heaven that are being shaken it is not God’s power that is being shaken, but the powers that God Himself has ordained to be, not only on earth, but also in heaven.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

I see all kinds of problems with the OP.

For one, and the most important one for understanding this prophecy, I don’t see where the OP addresses the scattering the power of the holy people.

Who are these holy people that get scattered?

Dan 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

The word means called out ones, or separated unto God, it means Israel. The Anti-Christ/Beast conquers Israel (scatters their power) for 1260 days. Al Jews are called Saints in general by old test. prophets and by John in Rev. 17:6, where he differentiates between the blood of the Saints (Jews) and Martyrs of Jesus.

 

[Marty fox]

Yet someone else that sees these connections pretty much identically to how I do. Very well reasoned OP. The OP has debunked Amil, except we all know Amil will never admit it.

I really can’t understand you David I have told you many times over the last 8 or so years that amils don’t see the binding as satan literally bound up. You know that’s not what amils believe so the OP hasn’t debunked anything

 

[Marty fox]

Daniel was told in

Daniel 12:7
And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.”

Included in all these things that shall be finished during this time, times, and a half is the resurrection of the dead in Christ at the last trump at the last day ( Daniel 12:2)

Also Amils will tell you Satan is bound during this time, times, and a half but the words of God prove this to be false.

Notice Satan ( the Serpent) is chasing after God’s people (the woman) during this time, times, and a half trying to carry her away.

Revelation 12:14
And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.”

AFTER this time, times, and a half comes the “season and time” which is speaking of the thousand year reign of Christ on earth with His saints.

Notice….

Daniel 7:11-12​

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King James Version​

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11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for “a season and time.”= a thousand years

This prophecy above is confirmed in Revelation 19

Revelation 19:19-20​

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19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.”

Then in Revelation 20 we see the begin point of the season and a time, or the thousand years.

The Amils will tell you none of the unbelievers of the Nations will survive the second coming of Christ. But if you will notice in Daniel 7:12 their lives are prolonged during the thousand years…

12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

Prove all things by the words of God. Peace and God bless

There is no mention of a trumpet in Daniel 12:2 you added that to scripture

Daniel 12
2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.

This resurrection happened at the cross

Matthew 27
51 At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook, the rocks split 52 and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. 53 They came out of the tombs after Jesus’ resurrection and[e] went into the holy city and appeared to many people.

You also assume that the beast in Daniel is the same as the beast in revelation

It amazing that premils always say they debunk amil when they don’t even understand what amils say the binding is see post#8

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Here is another way to prove the “Amil” doctrine is false. During the time, times, and a half Gods people are all scattered to the Nations and are persecuted.

But afterward during the thousand years Gods people are gathered together and are dwelling safely and are at rest.

Before the millennium Gods people were prophesied to be scattered to all Nations, and from one corner of both heaven and earth.

At the first resurrection of the dead in Christ all of God’s saints shall be gathered together.

Matthew 24:31
And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his electfrom the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Mark 13:27
And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

Ephesians 1:10
That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

This prophecy of God gathering His people out of all of the Nations were he had scattered them goes way back, and is repeated several times in scripture.

Deuteronomy 30

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30 And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the Lord thy God hath driven thee,
2 And shalt return unto the Lord thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul;
3 That then the Lord thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the Lord thy God hath scattered thee.
4 If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the Lord thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee:
5 And the Lord thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers.
6 And the Lord thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.”

Ezekiel 38:8
After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.


Revelation 20:9
And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Prove all things by the words of God. Peace

 

[Davidpt]

I really can’t understand you David I have told you many times over the last 8 or so years that amils don’t see the binding as satan literally bound up. You know that’s not what amils believe so the OP hasn’t debunked anything

Maybe I overlooked it or didn't read the OP carefully enough? Could you then point where the OP did that? I'm not doubting you word, I just don't recall having seen the OP do that.

BTW, I know Amils don't see it that way. Never said they did.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

There is no mention of a trumpet in Daniel 12:2 you added that to scripture

Daniel 12
2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.

This resurrection happened at the cross

Matthew 27
51 At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook, the rocks split 52 and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. 53 They came out of the tombs after Jesus’ resurrection and[e] went into the holy city and appeared to many people.

You also assume that the beast in Daniel is the same as the beast in revelation

It amazing that premils always say they debunk amil when they don’t even understand what amils say the binding is see post#8

You need to confirm scripture with scripture, as they all agree.

So when is the resurrection of the dead, and the living in Christ being caught up to the Lord?


1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall “rise first”: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”


Notice we see #1 the Lord himself decending, #2 the trump of the archangel is sounded, #3 “the dead rise first”and #4 the living are caught up to meet the Lord.

So when do the dead in Christ rise first? The answer is below…

John 6:39
And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at “the last day.”

John 6:40
And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at “the last day.”

John 6:44
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at “the last day.”

John 11:24
Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at “the last day.”

So it is clear, the dead are raised on “the last day”.

Notice the judgment is also on the last day as well….

John 12:48
He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in “the last day.”

The Judgment of saints is shown on the last day…. Revelation 20:4 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and “judgment was given unto them:”and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.”

Confirmed here….

Daniel 7:21-22 21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them; 22 Until the Ancient of days came, and “judgment was given to the saints”of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.”


When do saints posses the kingdoms of this world?

Revelation 11:15 15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.”


Daniel was told when he shall stand in the lot of his inheritance, and that was not until “the end.”


Daniel 12:13 13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at “the end of the days.”


Notice in the above, (Daniel 7:22) Christ first comes and the judgment is given to the saints on the last day.

So when does Christ come?

Son of Gods coming last day….


Luke 17:26-31

26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. 27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until “the day”that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; 29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.30 Even thus shall it be in “the day”when the Son of man is revealed.”


Notice above it was “the day” Noah entered they were destroyed, and “the same day” Lot left Sodom they were destroyed.

At the last day, at the Last Trump….

1Corinthians 15:51-52 “Behold I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at “the last trump:” for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead in Christ shall be raised incorruptable, and we shall be changed”

Notice at “the last trump”the dead are raised, and so what happens at the last trump…


Revelation 10:7 7 But in the days of the voice of “the seventh angel,” when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be “finished,” as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

Revelation 11:12 12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

Revelation 11:15 15 And “the seventh angel sounded;” and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.”

Also notice the elect are still on earth during the great tribulation and wrath of God.


Matthew 24:22 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Revelation 7:14 14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Revelation 16:15 15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.


All the scriptures agree there is no resurrection of the dead or the living in Christ until “the last day,”and at “the last trump.”

 

[tailgator]

The word means called out ones, or separated unto God, it means Israel. The Anti-Christ/Beast conquers Israel (scatters their power) for 1260 days. Al Jews are called Saints in general by old test. prophets and by John in Rev. 17:6, where he differentiates between the blood of the Saints (Jews) and Martyrs of Jesus.

The only people that will be persecuted in Israel for that time,times and a half are people who know God.Not the Jews who forsake the holy covenant.
The only people in the land of Israel who know God are in Christ

This is when the saints are persecuted and are killed for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God

Daniel 11:32-35
He will flatter and win over those who have violated the covenant. But the people who know their God will be strong and will resist him.
Wise leaders will give instruction to many, but these teachers will die by fire and sword, or they will be jailed and robbed.
During these persecutions, little help will arrive, and many who join them will not be sincere.
And some of the wise will fall victim to persecution. In this way, they will be refined and cleansed and made pure until the time of the end, for the appointed time is still to come.


The saints who belong to Christ are persecuted during this time .
For everyone else in Israel ,it will be like the days of Noah before the flood . They will be eating and drinking and and given in marriage until the flood comes and takes them all away.

 

[Davidpt]

There is no mention of a trumpet in Daniel 12:2 you added that to scripture

Daniel 12
2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.

This resurrection happened at the cross

Matthew 27
51 At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook, the rocks split 52 and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. 53 They came out of the tombs after Jesus’ resurrection and[e] went into the holy city and appeared to many people.

You also assume that the beast in Daniel is the same as the beast in revelation

It amazing that premils always say they debunk amil when they don’t even understand what amils say the binding is see post#8

Marty, explain who these are meaning then---Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake-- others to shame and everlasting contempt
Point out where I can read about them in Matthew 27. Who do you take them to be meaning in Matthew27? I don't see anyone meaning them in Matthew 27. Until you can show who they are meaning in Matthew 27, your argument is not valid in the meantime since you are failing to undeniably prove that Daniel 12:2 is involving the resurrections recorded in Matthew 27.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Marty, explain who these are meaning then---Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake-- others to shame and everlasting contempt
Point out where I can read about them in Matthew 27. Who do you take them to be meaning in Matthew27? I don't see anyone meaning them in Matthew 27. Until you can show who they are meaning in Matthew 27, your argument is not valid in the meantime since you are failing to undeniably prove that Daniel 12:2 is involving the resurrections recorded in Matthew 27.

Not to mention the context of Daniel 12 which confirms the timing of events…

Daniel 12

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12 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

 

[Marty fox]

Maybe I overlooked it or didn't read the OP carefully enough? Could you then point where the OP did that? I'm not doubting you word, I just don't recall having seen the OP do that.

BTW, I know Amils don't see it that way. Never said they did.

I was replying to your claim that the OP debunked amil and it didn’t

The OP states that amils believe satan is bound during the 3 1/2 years but then states that satan is chasing Gods people thus the OP‘s understanding of the amill view of the binding is wrong so it didn’t debunk it

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

The OP states that amils believe satan is bound during the 3 1/2 years but then states that satan is chasing Gods people thus the OP‘s understanding of the amill view of the binding is wrong so it didn’t debunk it

That’s not what I said. Amils believe the thousand year reign of Rev. 20 started when Jesus was resurrected, thus they also believe this below has already taken place….

Revelation 20

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20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.”

By the way, the time, times, and a half is not a literal 3 and a half years.

 

[tailgator]

Not to mention the context of Daniel 12 which confirms the timing of events…

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12 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

And this time of trouble takes place when the king of the north goes forth to desolate the whole middle east.
Alot of people I've spoken with wouldnt mind it a bit if the United states didn't wipe the entire middle east off the map.They don't like muslims in my neck of the woods.

Daniel 11:44
But reports from the east and the north will alarm him, and he will set out in a great rage to destroy and annihilate many.

 

[IndianaRob]

Marty, explain who these are meaning then---Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake-- others to shame and everlasting contempt
Point out where I can read about them in Matthew 27. Who do you take them to be meaning in Matthew27? I don't see anyone meaning them in Matthew 27. Until you can show who they are meaning in Matthew 27, your argument is not valid in the meantime since you are failing to undeniably prove that Daniel 12:2 is involving the resurrections recorded in Matthew 27.

The same exact thing Daniel prophesied in Daniel 12:2 happened at the cross.

Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Mat 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

In both passages many that slept in the dust arose. How is one not talking about the other?

 

[tailgator]

The same exact thing Daniel prophesied in Daniel 12:2 happened at the cross.

Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Mat 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

In both passages many that slept in the dust arose. How is one not talking about the other?

Did the man of sin who exalts himself above all that is called God, come to his end at that time as Daniel and Paul said?

Daniel 11:45
And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

2 Thes 2
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: