Reasonable Response To Christ - Justified By Works

[uncle silas]

Paul didnt write 1 Jn. Paul describes men who sinned without the law (Ro 1, 2, 5), and their sin was not "transgression", bc that only occurs where there is explicit knowledge (hence the contrast between their sin and Adam's sin, "did not sin after the likeness of Adam").

1. He's talking to Jewish believers (Ro 2:17, 4:1 7:1); Gentiles never were under Law.
2. Yeah, no lost person can be justified by being a doer of the Law, but saved people can do the Law because God is working in them to will and do for His pleasure. Whose Law do you suppose His working in them fulfills? Paul says "that the righteous requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us who walk not according the flesh but according to the Spirit" Ro 8:4--walking in faith Ro 14:5 is walking in the Spirit, which is how the Gentile believers are deemed "doers of the Law" (who will be justified by that gift of righteousness they're walking in--God's righteousness--whereas those who don't walk in faith aren't abiding in God's righteousness, and face condemnation, not justification).
3. Doesn't Christ condemn workers of lawlessness--deny, not confess, them?

1. Men are justified by righteousness. In this case, though, men are justified by God's righteousness.
Now, don't blame me for the verse saying if you don't walk in faith you're not justified but condemned Ro 14:5,23. In that moment, they're not remaining in God's righteousness. How is there ever "condemnation" if the believer has God's righteousness (whereby he would/should be justified) at all times?
Doesn't my reading actually help explain how the Jewish believers are warned they are storing up wrath for themselves on that Day Ro 2?
2. Not at all, because walking in faith differs from person to person Ro 14--it's actually freedom, whereas the Law is slavery. "For freedom Christ set us free--only don't use your freedom as a cloak for the flesh, but serve one another."
Christ made us at peace, so we should remain at peace, not disturb our peace--acting contrary to conviction disturbs your peace
3. God's righteousness is by grace through faith--if you break the Law of Faith, you don't abide in God's righteousness, where there is no condemnation Ro 8:1, but are condemned Ro 14:23.

Paul's talking to Jewish believers in Rom3:20?
Who's he talking to in Galatians?
For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”[e] 11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith Gal3:10&11

 

[GracePeace]

How well are you doing the law?



Do you ever put anything before God in your life?

Do you ever build any graven images in your mind?

Do you always honour your parents without exception.

Do you ever looked at a woman with lust in your eye? (Jesus ratified the commandment)

Have you ever fibbed about anyone, or been untruthful about a person in anyway?

Have you dwelt on any impure thought?

Do you ever desire ANYTHING of your neighbours, whether material goods or a member of their household?

Do you fully obey the law relating to the inner man, the law only you and God need know you break?

Christ’s commands

If someone asked to lend from you would you gladly lend to them without ever expecting anything back?

If someone stole from you, would you offer them more than what they stole with nothing but love in your heart for them?

Do you not invite friends or family home for a meal, but rather the poor, blind, lame and beggars?

If you have ever fasted, have you even hinted to anyone you are fasting?

Do you truly in your heart love your enemies, those who may malign, harass or persecute you?

Do you leap for joy if you are persecuted?

Do you always truly love all those you come into contact with in thought, word or deed, constantly, including your enemies, those who may be unkind to us, persecute or harass us?



All examples of what it takes to obey the TC, Christ’s teaching and the second greatest commandment.

None of these words changes the verse thar says if you don't walk in faith you're condemned Ro 14:23.

 

[GracePeace]

Paul's talking to Jewish believers in Rom3:20?
Who's he talking to in Galatians?
For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”[e] 11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith Gal3:10&11

The Galatians were Judaized, and Paul pronounces the one who Judaized them "accursed".

 

[uncle silas]

None of these words changes the verse thar says if you don't walk in faith you're condemned Ro 14:23.

I see you didnt answer the question. Why not? If you are not a doer of the law are you not walking in faith and condemned?

 

[uncle silas]

The Galatians were Judaized, and Paul pronounces the one who Judaized them "accursed".

They were gentiles, and Paul told them the same thing he wrote in Rom3:20

 

[GracePeace]

I see you didnt answer the question. Why not? If you are not a doer of the law are you not walking in faith and condemned?

Again, it seems you're misunderstanding me : those who walk by faith are doers of the Law, but it doesn't work the other way around ("those who are under Law are under Grace").

 

[uncle silas]

Again, it seems you're misunderstanding me : those who walk by faith are doers of the Law, but it doesn't work the other way around ("those who are under Law are under Grace").

So, why not address the list I put up and tell me if you are a doer of the law concerning the things mentioned. Im quite sure you do not even try and obey each and every literal command of Christ in the gospels.

 

[GracePeace]

They were gentiles, and Paul told them the same thing he wrote in Rom3:20

Yeah, I've never said anyone was under Law--but Paul doesn't tell them "Christ alone", he tells them "serve one another" Gal 5.

 

[GracePeace]

So, why not address the list I put up and tell me if you are a doer of the law concerning the things mentioned. Im quite sure you do not even try and obey each and every literal command of Christ in the gospels.

You're not addressing the Scripture.

 

[uncle silas]

("those who are under Law are under Grace").

For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace. Rom6:14

 

[uncle silas]

Yeah, I've never said anyone was under Law--but Paul doesn't tell them "Christ alone", he tells them "serve one another" Gal 5.

You wrote
("thone who are under Law are under Grace").

 

[uncle silas]

You're not addressing the Scripture.

You cannot say if you are a doer of the law
And I have just addressed your error

 

[GracePeace]

For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace. Rom6:14

Yep. Again and again, you misunderstand me : the parentheses explained what I denied.

 

[GracePeace]

You cannot say if you are a doer of the law
And I have just addressed your error

You can't address anything because you're misunderstanding everything. You're addressing strawmen.

 

[GracePeace]

You wrote
("thone who are under Law are under Grace").

Nope. That explained what I denied.

 

[uncle silas]

You can't address anything because you're misunderstanding everything. You're addressing strawmen.

Nope, you wrote:
''Those under law are under grace''
Everyone can see it. To make such a statement shows you do not understand this subject. And frankly, it does not inspire me to spend much time correcting all of your errors in understanding
THOSE UNDER THE LAW ARE NOT UNDER GRACE, as frankly, all should know!!!

 

[GracePeace]

Nope, you wrote:
''Those under law are under grace''
Everyone can see it. To make such a statement shows you do not understand this subject. And frankly, it does not inspire me to spend much time correcting all of your errors in understanding
THOSE UNDER THE LAW ARE NOT UNDER GRACE, as frankly, all should know!!!

By what i said i meant "it doesn't work the other way around (as if one could say "those who are under Law are under Grace").

 

[uncle silas]

By what i said i meant "it doesn't work the other way around (as if one could say "those who are under Law are under Grace").

You made a plain statement, now you are trying to backtrack away from, it. Anyone can quote the bible, it does not mean they understand the subject.
Rom 3:20 is echoed all over the place, including in letters written to gentiles, yet you say it only affects Jews.
Best go and study.

 

[GracePeace]

Nope, you wrote:
''Those under law are under grace''
Everyone can see it. To make such a statement shows you do not understand this subject. And frankly, it does not inspire me to spend much time correcting all of your errors in understanding
THOSE UNDER THE LAW ARE NOT UNDER GRACE, as frankly, all should know!!!

You're all wound up for a "not under Law" debate. I never said we were under Law--and I deny that any Christian is under Law. The Law leads to a righteousness of one's own, not to being justified by God's righteousness by faith.

 

[uncle silas]

You're all wound up for a "not under Law" debate. I never said we were under Law--and I deny that any Christian is under Law. The Law leads to a righteousness of one's own, not to being justified by God's righteousness by faith.

Now you are contradicting what you wrote. You appear all over the place to me, bye