God's Hatred

[Ronald Nolette]

This is false and not what the Scripture is saying. Praise God I am not a follower of Calvin!
Election is corporate and for SERVICE.


Ezekiel 33:11 (NKJV):
"'Say to them: ‘As I live,’ says the Lord God, ‘I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live. Turn, turn from your evil ways! For why should you die, O house of Israel?’"
This verse is perhaps the most direct statement from God declaring that He takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked and calls them to repentance and life.

Ezekiel 18:23 (NKJV):
"Do I have any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? says the Lord God, and not that he should turn from his ways and live?"
God questions whether He finds any pleasure in the death of the wicked, making it clear that He desires their repentance.

Ezekiel 18:32 (NKJV):
"For I have no pleasure in the death of one who dies,” says the Lord God. 'Therefore turn and live!'"
Once again, God emphasizes that He has no delight in death, urging sinners to turn from their ways and live.

2 Peter 3:9 (NKJV):
"The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance."
While not using the exact phrase "pleasure in death," this verse shows God's desire that no one perish and that all come to repentance.

Romans 5:8 (NKJV):
"But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us."
This verse highlights that God's love is not dependent on our righteousness but is extended to us even while we are sinners.

John 3:16 (NKJV):
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."
God's love for the whole world, which includes sinners, is demonstrated in His giving of Jesus as a sacrifice.

Luke 19:10 (NKJV):
"For the Son of Man has come to seek and to save that which was lost."
Jesus' mission to seek and save the lost shows God's heart for sinners.

1 Timothy 1:15 (NKJV):
"This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief."
Paul acknowledges God's love for sinners, including himself as the foremost example.

Luke 15:7 (NKJV):
"I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance."
This passage speaks of God's joy and love for sinners when they repent.

Ezekiel 33:11 (NKJV):
"Say to them: 'As I live,' says the Lord God, 'I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live. Turn, turn from your evil ways! For why should you die, O house of Israel?'"
God expresses His desire for the wicked to turn from their ways and live, showing His love for sinners by offering them life.

Titus 3:4-5 (NKJV):
"But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit."
God's love and mercy toward sinners is highlighted in His act of saving us, not based on our works, but according to His mercy.

I agree with all this. so what is your point of disagreement?

 

[Johann]

I agree with all this. so what is your point of disagreement?

God HATES the lost--your words and correct me if I'm wrong, you believe in T.U.L.I.P.-don't you?

 

[Christian Soldier]

This is false and not what the Scripture is saying. Praise God I am not a follower of Calvin!
Election is corporate and for SERVICE.


Ezekiel 33:11 (NKJV):
"'Say to them: ‘As I live,’ says the Lord God, ‘I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live. Turn, turn from your evil ways! For why should you die, O house of Israel?’"
This verse is perhaps the most direct statement from God declaring that He takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked and calls them to repentance and life.

Ezekiel 18:23 (NKJV):
"Do I have any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? says the Lord God, and not that he should turn from his ways and live?"
God questions whether He finds any pleasure in the death of the wicked, making it clear that He desires their repentance.

Ezekiel 18:32 (NKJV):
"For I have no pleasure in the death of one who dies,” says the Lord God. 'Therefore turn and live!'"
Once again, God emphasizes that He has no delight in death, urging sinners to turn from their ways and live.

2 Peter 3:9 (NKJV):
"The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance."
While not using the exact phrase "pleasure in death," this verse shows God's desire that no one perish and that all come to repentance.

Romans 5:8 (NKJV):
"But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us."
This verse highlights that God's love is not dependent on our righteousness but is extended to us even while we are sinners.

John 3:16 (NKJV):
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."
God's love for the whole world, which includes sinners, is demonstrated in His giving of Jesus as a sacrifice.

Luke 19:10 (NKJV):
"For the Son of Man has come to seek and to save that which was lost."
Jesus' mission to seek and save the lost shows God's heart for sinners.

1 Timothy 1:15 (NKJV):
"This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief."
Paul acknowledges God's love for sinners, including himself as the foremost example.

Luke 15:7 (NKJV):
"I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance."
This passage speaks of God's joy and love for sinners when they repent.

Ezekiel 33:11 (NKJV):
"Say to them: 'As I live,' says the Lord God, 'I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live. Turn, turn from your evil ways! For why should you die, O house of Israel?'"
God expresses His desire for the wicked to turn from their ways and live, showing His love for sinners by offering them life.

Titus 3:4-5 (NKJV):
"But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit."
God's love and mercy toward sinners is highlighted in His act of saving us, not based on our works, but according to His mercy.

You have viewed all of those verses through your false Arminian lens. All of those scriptures say something entirely different when you remove that distorted Arminian lens from your eyes.

Every single verse you listed, is speaking about Gods elect, but you go and add you foolish words to Gods, and that is punishable by eternity in the lake of fire.

You don't know the very basic rule for understanding scripture, you are clueless about "context", you just read the bible like a it was some cheap paperback novel. Why do you add your foolish word "whole" to John 3:16 do you think that God failed to explain Himself, so He needs you to come and add your foolish word to His perfect Word????, you do this as second nature and your not even aware that it's an abomination in Gods sight.

God hates sinners, that's why He torments them in the lake of fire for all eternity. If go loved sinners as you believe He does then He is an evil monster who doesn't deserve my respect or worship and all He would deserve is my condemnation.

Your theology is all messed up and it makes no sense, you make God look like He has a bi polar mental illness where He loves sinners and hates them at the same time. It's just ludicrous to portray God in such a foolish way.

 

[Christian Soldier]

You're the one who HATES people. Not me. Hate filled people are heading for Hell fire! Do you even believe in Hell?

If you don't hate evil people, then you're evil yourself. If God didn't hate evil people, He would be evil Himself. It's very simple to understand.

 

[Johann]

You have viewed all of those verses through your false Arminian lens. All of those scriptures say something entirely different when you remove that distorted Arminian lens from your eyes.

Every single verse you listed, is speaking about Gods elect, but you go and add you foolish words to Gods, and that is punishable by eternity in the lake of fire.

You don't know the very basic rule for understanding scripture, you are clueless about "context", you just read the bible like a it was some cheap paperback novel. Why do you add your foolish word "whole" to John 3:16 do you think that God failed to explain Himself, so He needs you to come and add your foolish word to His perfect Word????, you do this as second nature and your not even aware that it's an abomination in Gods sight.

God hates sinners, that's why He torments them in the lake of fire for all eternity. If go loved sinners as you believe He does then He is an evil monster who doesn't deserve my respect or worship and all He would deserve is my condemnation.

Your theology is all messed up and it makes no sense, you make God look like He has a bi polar mental illness where He loves sinners and hates them at the same time. It's just ludicrous to portray God in such a foolish way.

Do you really want to go into semantics re "all" and "many?" As to the test of your ramblings I'm really not interested.

I would advice you to--
Gal 5:22 But the product of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
Gal 5:23 gentleness, self-control. There is no law against such things.
Gal 5:24 And those who belong to Jesus the Christ have crucified the lower nature with its passions and evil cravings.
Gal 5:25 If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk where the Spirit leads.
Gal 5:26 Let us stop being ambitious for honors, so challenging one another, envying one another.


3:15-18 "whoever" (John 3:15) "whoever" (John 3:16) "He who" (John 3:18) God's love is an invitation to all mankind (cf. Isa. 55:1-3; Ezek. 18:23,32; John 1:29; 3:16; 6:33,51; 2 Cor. 5:19; 1 Tim. 2:4; 4:10; Titus 2:11; 2 Pet. 3:9; 1 John 2:2; 4:14). The offer of salvation is universal, but its acceptance is not (cf. Rom. 5:12-21)!

It is not what you say, but HOW you say it.

Have a good day.
J.

 

[Johann]

If you don't hate evil people, then you're evil yourself. If God didn't hate evil people, He would be evil Himself. It's very simple to understand.

Mat_5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

Luk_6:27 But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,

Luk_6:35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.

J.

 

[Christian Soldier]

My goodness!
You really believe we should hate our father and mother, children?
When interpreting the Bible, the decision to approach it literally or figuratively depends largely on the genre of the text, its context, and the intent of the author. The Bible includes different types of literature—history, poetry, prophecy, parables, and epistles—each of which may require a different approach. Here’s a guide to help discern whether to interpret passages literally or figuratively:

1. Literal Interpretation:
A literal interpretation means understanding the text in its plain, straightforward sense, taking the words at face value as they are presented.

Historical Narratives (e.g., Genesis, Exodus, the Gospels): These are generally understood literally, as they describe real events, people, and places. For example, the accounts of Jesus' life in the Gospels or the history of Israel in the Old Testament are taken to describe actual events.
Doctrinal and Ethical Teachings (e.g., Epistles of Paul): Teachings about salvation, Christian living, and doctrine are usually understood literally unless context indicates symbolism or metaphor. For instance, “love your neighbor as yourself” (Mark 12:31) is clearly a literal command.
Examples of Literal Interpretation:

The resurrection of Jesus (Luke 24) is a literal historical event.
The Ten Commandments (Exodus 20) are literal laws meant to be followed.
2. Figurative Interpretation:
A figurative interpretation applies when the text uses metaphors, symbols, parables, or poetic language to convey deeper or abstract meanings.

Poetry and Wisdom Literature (e.g., Psalms, Proverbs): These books often use figurative language to express spiritual truths, emotional experiences, or moral lessons. For example, in Psalm 23:1, "The Lord is my shepherd," the idea is not that God is literally a shepherd but that He cares for His people as a shepherd cares for his sheep.
Prophetic and Apocalyptic Literature (e.g., Daniel, Revelation): These genres often use symbolism and imagery to describe future events or spiritual realities. For instance, the beast in Revelation (Revelation 13:1-18) is typically understood as a symbol of a world power or a person, not a literal creature.
Parables (e.g., Luke 15:11-32 - the Parable of the Prodigal Son): Parables are stories Jesus used to illustrate spiritual lessons, often filled with figurative meaning. They are not meant to be taken literally but to teach moral or spiritual truths through fictional scenarios.
Examples of Figurative Interpretation:

Jesus as the “Lamb of God” (John 1:29): This is figurative language signifying Jesus as the sacrificial lamb who takes away the sin of the world.
The “Sword of the Spirit” (Ephesians 6:17): This refers to the Word of God, not a literal sword.
Principles for Deciding Literal vs. Figurative:
Context:

What is the immediate context of the passage? Look at the surrounding verses and the overall purpose of the book.
For instance, if the text is clearly written in a narrative or historical genre (e.g., Genesis 1), a literal interpretation is often appropriate. If the passage is prophetic or poetic (e.g., Psalms or Revelation), it is more likely figurative.
Genre:

Identify the genre of the text. Historical books are primarily literal. Poetry and prophecy often use figurative language.
Hebrew poetry (e.g., Psalms) is rich in metaphor and symbolism, requiring a figurative approach, while narrative sections (e.g., 1 Samuel) are usually literal.
Author’s Intent:

Ask what the author’s intent is. For example, did the author intend to convey a spiritual truth through symbolism, or are they recording an actual event? Jesus’ use of parables is clearly figurative because His intent was to teach lessons through symbolic stories.
Harmonizing with Scripture:

Does the interpretation align with the broader teaching of the Bible? Sometimes literal interpretations lead to theological problems or contradictions, so figurative interpretations provide a more harmonious understanding.
For example, Jesus’ statement, “I am the door” (John 10:9), is not to be understood literally as a wooden door, but figuratively as the way to salvation.
Cultural and Historical Background:

Understanding the culture and historical context of the time can help determine if something should be taken literally or figuratively. Ancient Eastern literature, for instance, is filled with symbolism and should be interpreted accordingly.

Literal Interpretation is used when the text clearly conveys factual history, commands, or doctrine, especially in narrative and epistolary genres.
Figurative Interpretation is used when the text contains symbolic language, parables, or prophecy, especially in poetic, prophetic, or apocalyptic genres.
The key is to discern the genre, context, and intent of the passage before deciding on an interpretive approach.
Balancing both methods ensures a responsible and meaningful engagement with Scripture.

And there are some here who think I have lost my marbles using the ancient hermeneutical approach to Scriptures-the donkey and 2 by four approach.

All of that is what your Arminian religious denomination has taught you to follow. But don't forget there are 45,000 other Christian denominations, each one has it's own way of interpreting the bible.

I hold to reformed theology, which opposed to your Arminian theology. You Arminians have a fundamentally different interpretation of the gospel, then we do in the Reformed Church. The differences are irreconcilable, so we can't have fellowship with your denomination as we view your religion as an abomination.

The debate over which of the 45,000 denominations has the correct interpretation of the bible, has been raging for the past 500 years. We are no closer to finding a consensus today then were were 500 years ago, so all we can do is hope that we are lucky enough to be in that Church which has cracked the code and found the one true interpretation.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Do you really want to go into semantics re "all" and "many?" As to the test of your ramblings I'm really not interested.

I would advice you to--
Gal 5:22 But the product of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
Gal 5:23 gentleness, self-control. There is no law against such things.
Gal 5:24 And those who belong to Jesu s the Christ have crucified the lower nature with its passions and evil cravings.
Gal 5:25 If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk where the Spirit leads.
Gal 5:26 Let us stop being ambitious for honors, so challenging one another, envying one another.


3:15-18 "whoever" (John 3:15) "whoever" (John 3:16) "He who" (John 3:18) God's love is an invitation to all mankind (cf. Isa. 55:1-3; Ezek. 18:23,32; John 1:29; 3:16; 6:33,51; 2 Cor. 5:19; 1 Tim. 2:4; 4:10; Titus 2:11; 2 Pet. 3:9; 1 John 2:2; 4:14). The offer of salvation is universal, but its acceptance is not (cf. Rom. 5:12-21)!

It is not what you say, but HOW you say it.

Have a good day.
J.

You still haven't explained why you add words to Gods Word and make the verses say something completely different. You twisted the entire meaning of John 3:16 to force it to say that "God so loved the Whole world. But the text says "God so loved the world". You attempted to deceive me by saying we shouldn't argue about words, while you push your false Arminian religion.

If you cared about the truth of the matter, you would know that the verse is saying "for God so loved the world (not just Jews, but Gentiles from every tribe and tongue as well). The Jews at that time still thought that Jesus came to save them only, John 3:16 confirms that Gods elect are from every part of the world. But you force it to say that God loves every single reprobate on the palnet and that's just not true.

 

[Johann]

All of that is what your Arminian religious denomination has taught you to follow. But don't forget there are 45,000 other Christian denominations, each one has it's own way of interpreting the bible.

I hold to reformed theology, which opposed to your Arminian theology. You Arminians have a fundamentally different interpretation of the gospel, then we do in the Reformed Church. The differences are irreconcilable, so we can't have fellowship with your denomination as we view your religion as an abomination.

The debate over which of the 45,000 denominations has the correct interpretation of the bible, has been raging for the past 500 years. We are no closer to finding a consensus today then were were 500 years ago, so all we can do is hope that we are lucky enough to be in that Church which has cracked the code and found the one true interpretation.

I don't follow Arminius or Calvin--but Christ Jesus.
1Co 3:2 I fed you with milk, not solid food, for you could not take it. Why, you cannot take it even now,
1Co 3:3 for you are still unspiritual. For when there are still jealousy and wrangling among you, are you not still unspiritual and living by a human standard?
1Co 3:4 For when one says, "I belong to Paul's party," and another, "I belong to Apollos' party," are you not acting as mere human creatures?
1Co 3:5 Then what is Apollos? Or what is Paul? Mere servants through whom you came to believe, as the Lord gave each of us his task.
1Co 3:6 I did the planting, Apollos did the watering, but it was God who kept the plants growing.
1Co 3:7 So neither the planter nor the waterer counts for much, but God is everything in keeping the plants growing.
1Co 3:8 The planter and the waterer are one in aim, and yet each of us will get his own pay in accordance with his own work,
1Co 3:9 for we belong to God as His fellow-workers; you belong to God as His field to be tilled, as His building to be built.
1Co_3:4

see v.3 - Following men is to be carnally minded.

"I follow Paul" [I am of Paul] -- Factionalism was-and still is- the divisive product of carnality. See on 1Co_1:12.

being merely human [carnal] -- Gr. sarkikoi, “fleshly.” Textual evidence favors the reading anthrôpoi, “men,” that is, "being mere men" that is, without any godly or spiritual concern.


Have a great day.
J.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Mat_5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

Luk_6:27 But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,

Luk_6:35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.

J.

None of those verses say anything about loving evil people. You enemies are the members of your family. God is kind towards evil people because He sends the rain to them as well but He still hates them none the less.

 

[Johann]

to force it to say that "God so loved the Whole world.

The world (ton kosmon). The whole cosmos of men, including Gentiles, the whole human race. This universal aspect of God’s love appears also in 2Co_5:19; Rom_5:8.

iii) It tells us of the width of the love of God. It was the world that God so loved. It was not a nation; it was not the good people; it was not only the people who loved him; it was the world. The unlovable and the unlovely, the lonely who have no one else to love them, the man who loves God and the man who never thinks of him, the man who rests in the love of God and the man who spurns it--all are included in this vast inclusive love of God. As Augustine had it: "God loves each one of us as if there was only one of us to love."

16. γάρ. Explaining how God wills life to every believer. Τὸν κόσμον = the whole human race (see on Joh_1:10). This would be a revelation to the exclusive Pharisee, brought up to believe that God loved only the Chosen People. Ἀγαπᾶν very frequent in the Gospel and First Epistle, and may be considered characteristic of S. John: see on Joh_5:20. Μονογενῆ; see on Joh_1:14. This shews the greatness of God’s love: it would remind Nicodemus of the offering of Isaac. Comp. 1Jn_4:9; Heb_11:17; Rom_8:32. Ἔδωκεν is stronger than ‘sent:’ it was a free gift to the world. Winer, p. 377.
πᾶς ὁ πιστεύων. The only limitation: eternal life is open to all. Ἀπόληται. Subj. after a past tense; see on Joh_1:7. The translation of ζωὴ αἰώνιος should be uniform; A.V. wavers between ‘eternal life’ (Joh_3:15, Joh_5:39, Joh_6:54; Joh_6:68, &c.), ‘life eternal’ (Joh_4:36, Joh_12:25), ‘everlasting life’ (here, Joh_3:36, Joh_4:14, Joh_5:24, &c.), and ‘life everlasting’ (Joh_12:50): ‘eternal life’ is best.
Cambridge.

Nitpicking on minors-I submit you have no clue what a Definite Article is.

J.

 

[Johann]

None of those verses say anything about loving evil people. You enemies are the members of your family. God is kind towards evil people because He sends the rain to them as well but He still hates them none the less.

Show me the Scriptures and not what Calvin said.
J.

 

[Christian Soldier]

I don't follow Arminius or Calvin--but Christ Jesus.
1Co 3:2 I fed you with milk, not solid food, for you could not take it. Why, you cannot take it even now,
1Co 3:3 for you are still unspiritual. For when there are still jealousy and wrangling among you, are you not still unspiritual and living by a human standard?
1Co 3:4 For when one says, "I belong to Paul's party," and another, "I belong to Apollos' party," are you not acting as mere human creatures?
1Co 3:5 Then what is Apollos? Or what is Paul? Mere servants through whom you came to believe, as the Lord gave each of us his task.
1Co 3:6 I did the planting, Apollos did the watering, but it was God who kept the plants growing.
1Co 3:7 So neither the planter nor the waterer counts for much, but God is everything in keeping the plants growing.
1Co 3:8 The planter and the waterer are one in aim, and yet each of us will get his own pay in accordance with his own work,
1Co 3:9 for we belong to God as His fellow-workers; you belong to God as His field to be tilled, as His building to be built.
1Co_3:4

see v.3 - Following men is to be carnally minded.

"I follow Paul" [I am of Paul] -- Factionalism was-and still is- the divisive product of carnality. See on 1Co_1:12.

being merely human [carnal] -- Gr. sarkikoi, “fleshly.” Textual evidence favors the reading anthrôpoi, “men,” that is, "being mere men" that is, without any godly or spiritual concern.


Have a great day.
J.

You are so brainwashed by the men that you follow in your denomination, that you can't even see that they are teaching you the false Arminian gospel. There are only two versions of the gospel, which all Christian denominations hold to. Your denomination is so deceptive, that they haven't told you that you're following Jacob Arminus and not Jesus.

Please have a look at this table below and tell me if there is a third option, don't say "I follow Jesus" while you oppose His gospel.

http://heavenslight.org/wp-content/...vinism_and_Arminianism_TULIP_Chart_1_2007.pdf

 

[Christian Soldier]

Show me the Scriptures and not what Calvin said.
J.

1. God hates the workers of iniquity (Psalm 5:5)
2. God hates the wicked (Psalm 11:5)
3. God hates the sacrifices of the wicked (Proverbs 15:8)
4. God hates the ways of the wicked (Proverbs 15:9)
5. God hates the thoughts of the wicked (Proverbs 15:26)
6. God hates feet that make haste to run to evil (Proverbs 6:18)
7. God hated Esau (Malachi 1:1-3; Romans 9:13)
8. God hates the deeds of the Nicolaitans (Revelation 2:6)

 

[Christian Soldier]

Show me the Scriptures and not what Calvin said.
J.

1. God hates the workers of iniquity (Psalm 5:5)
2. God hates the wicked (Psalm 11:5)
3. God hates the sacrifices of the wicked (Proverbs 15:8)
4. God hates the ways of the wicked (Proverbs 15:9)
5. God hates the thoughts of the wicked (Proverbs 15:26)
6. God hates feet that make haste to run to evil (Proverbs 6:18)
7. God hated Esau (Malachi 1:1-3; Romans 9:13)
8. God hates the deeds of the Nicolaitans (Revelation 2:6

Show me the Scriptures and not what Calvin said.
J.

Matt 5:45 You may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.

 

[Johann]

1. God hates the workers of iniquity (Psalm 5:5)
2. God hates the wicked (Psalm 11:5)
3. God hates the sacrifices of the wicked (Proverbs 15:8)
4. God hates the ways of the wicked (Proverbs 15:9)
5. God hates the thoughts of the wicked (Proverbs 15:26)
6. God hates feet that make haste to run to evil (Proverbs 6:18)
7. God hated Esau (Malachi 1:1-3; Romans 9:13)
8. God hates the deeds of the Nicolaitans (Revelation 2:6)

Yes, Scriptures often present paradoxical, dialectical, and tension-filled elements.

So, you reckon after the death, Crucifixion & resurrection of Messiah this is what God "see?" Hatred to all the "non-elect" who are created in His IMAGO DEI?
When I presented to you from the same Scriptures how God "feels" anthropomorphically speaking, toward the lost, not willing that ANYONE should perish but what?

You are sitting with a problem now==

Key Scriptures on God’s Love for Sinners:

John 3:16 (NKJV) "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."

This verse highlights that God’s love extends to the entire world, including sinners. His act of giving His Son is a demonstration of His love and desire for the salvation of all people.

Romans 5:8 (NKJV) "But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us."

Paul points out that God’s love is evident in the fact that Christ died for us even while we were still sinners, showing that God’s love is not conditional upon our righteousness.

1 John 4:9-10 (NKJV) "In this the love of God was manifested toward us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through Him. In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins."

This passage shows that God’s love is proactive and unconditional, manifesting in the sacrificial death of Jesus for sinners.

2 Peter 3:9 (NKJV) "The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance."

Peter emphasizes that God is patient and desires repentance for all, indicating His love and willingness to forgive sinners.

Luke 15:7 (NKJV) "I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance."

Jesus illustrates that there is great joy in heaven over the repentance of sinners, reflecting God’s joy and love in their return to Him.

God’s attitude towards sinners is one of love and desire for reconciliation rather than hatred. The Bible consistently portrays God as loving even those who are in sin, offering them forgiveness and redemption through Jesus Christ. The divine nature of God encompasses both justice and mercy, and His love remains steadfast despite human shortcomings.

Prove me wrong @Christian Soldier
J.

 

[Johann]

You are so brainwashed by the men that you follow in your denomination, that you can't even see that they are teaching you the false Arminian gospel. There are only two versions of the gospel, which all Christian denominations hold to. Your denomination is so deceptive, that they haven't told you that you're following Jacob Arminus and not Jesus.

Please have a look at this table below and tell me if there is a third option, don't say "I follow Jesus" while you oppose His gospel.

http://heavenslight.org/wp-content/...vinism_and_Arminianism_TULIP_Chart_1_2007.pdf

Election/Predestination and the Need for a Theological Balance

Election & Predestination -- Special Topic by Dr. Bob Utley, professor of hermeneutics (retired).

www.freebiblecommentary.org

If you want to debate I'm ready, I might look stupid, but I ain't.
Jesus didn't die for the WHOLE kosmos?

Praise Abba for this wonderful truth and let every man be found a liar--

Pro_30:6 Do not add to His words, Or He will reprove you, and you will be found a liar.
Rom_3:4 Certainly not! Let God be found true [as He will be], though every person be found a liar, just as it is written [in Scripture], "THAT YOU MAY BE JUSTIFIED IN YOUR WORDS, AND PREVAIL WHEN YOU ARE JUDGED [by sinful men]." [Psa_51:4]
ἠγάπησεν] The indefinite signifying the universal and eternal existence of that love which God Himself is (1Jn_4:8).
τὸν κόσμον, the world, in the most general sense, as represented by, and included in, man,—Gen_3:17-18; Gen_1:28;—not, the elect, which would utterly destroy the force of the passage: see on Joh_3:18.
The Lord here reveals Love as the one ground of the divine counsel in redemption,—salvation of men, as its one purpose with regard to them.
τὸν υἱὸν … ἔδωκεν] These words, whether spoken in Hebrew or in Greek, seem to carry a reference to the offering of Isaac; and Nicodemus in that case would at once be reminded by them of the love there required, the substitution there made, and the prophecy there uttered to Abraham, to which ἵνα πᾶς ὁ πιστ. so nearly corresponds.
ἔδωκεν—absolute, not merely τῷ κόσμῳ—gave up,—παρέδωκεν,—Rom_8:32; where as Stier remarks, we have again, in the οὐκ ἐφείσατο, an unmistakeable allusion to the οὐκ ἐφείσω, said to Abraham, Gen_22:16.
ἵνα …] By the repetition of this final clause verbatim from Joh_3:15, we have the identity of the former clauses established: i.e. the uplifting of the Son of Man like the serpent in the wilderness is the manifestation of the Divine Love in the gift of the Son of God:—ὁ υἱὸς τοῦ ἀνθρώπου of Joh_3:14, = in the strictest sense, ὁ υἱὸς αὐτ. ὁ μονογ. of Joh_3:16.

Jesus Calls All Men – In Joh_3:16-21 Jesus Christ makes His call to all men. This passage of Scripture contains perhaps the most well-known verse in the Scriptures, which is Joh_3:16, a verse that summarizes the ultimate theme of the Scriptures, and God’s call for mankind to accept Jesus Christ as the Son of God.

When Jesus entered His public ministry, it is important to note that He never condemned the sinner of his sins (Joh_3:17).

For example, Jesus did not condemn the woman taken in adultery (Joh_8:1-11), nor the Samaritan woman who had been with five husbands (Joh_4:1-42).

Rather, He offered Himself to them as their Healer and miracle-worker in order that they might believe in Him as their Saviour. Although He rebuked the Jewish leaders because they despised Him and they looked down upon the sinners, He did not come to condemn mankind for their sins.

He looked forward to His work of redemption on Calvary and loved them, knowing that their sins were about to be paid for on Calvary. God’s wrath was poured out upon Jesus Christ, so that He is no longer at war with sinful man, as we see in the Old Testament Scriptures.

Under the Old Covenant God dealt with His children Israel by using judgment for their sins. In a similar manner, we judge our children when they disobey simply because a child cannot understand the results of his sins. However, when our children become adults, we no long discipline our children; rather, we become friends, realizing that they understand the difference between right and wrong. We stand with our children when they become adults and are ready to offer advice.

In a similar way, God judged Israel as His children under the Law because they could not understand God’s ways in the manner we understand under the New Covenant by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Like spanking a child, divine judgment was the only thing that Israel understood under the Old Covenant when breaking the Law. When Jesus came upon this earth and paid for the sins of mankind, past, present, and future, pouring out His Holy Spirit into the hearts of those who believe in Him, God could then call them His “friends” (Joh_15:15).

Joh_15:15, “Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.”

The Author’s Commentary – Scholars popularly believe that Joh_3:16-21 contains a commentary on the discourse between Jesus and Nicodemus recorded in Joh_3:1-20. The author pauses from his narrative to give his readers the reason for God’s offer of eternal life, which comes from His love for mankind. John the apostle pauses a number of times in his Gospel to make such comments. For example, we see a similar commentary in Joh_3:31-36 as the author explains the words of John the Baptist recorded in Joh_3:27-30. Also, in Joh_18:9 the author makes comments in Joh_18:9; Joh_18:32 and Joh_19:35-37 of fulfilled prophecy in the midst of the narrative story of Jesus’ arrest, trial, and crufixion.

Joh_3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Joh_3:16 — “For God so loved the world” – Comments - One Sunday morning, a person that I had a crush on announced that she was engaged to a young man. So, with a broken heart, I drove home, lay on the floor and prayed these words, “Lord, it hurts so much to love.” The Lord immediately spoke this verse to me, “For God so loved the world.” In other words, God has felt the same hurt and rejection that I was feeling. I realized at that moment just how much God loved mankind, even every individual on earth. God loves people, and when we hurt other people, we are hurting the one He loves the most. I began to see people in a different way from then on and began treating them with much more thoughtfulness, now knowing how God felt about them, how much God loved them, and how dangerous it is to injure those whom He dearly loves.

Joh_3:16 — “that he gave his only begotten Son” – Comments - Here we see that giving is a natural result of true love. Giving comes from the heart of one who loves.

Joh_3:16 — “that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” – Word Study on “should not perish” – Strong says the Greek word “perish” (ἀπόλλυμι) (G622) means, “to destroy fully,” and reflexive, “to perish, lose.” BDAG says it means, “perish, die.”
Everett

Tired now.
J.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

We always hear about Gods love of sinners.

John 3:16 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

But nobody likes to hear about Gods hatred of the world.

John 2:15 Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

Some Christians believe that God wants us to love our enemy, but we see that Gods forbids us to love our enemy the world.

God even tells us that we cannot be His Disciples if we don't hate our mother and father, let alone our enemies.

Luke 14:26-30 “If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple. And whoever does not bear his cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple.

The bible describes Gods hatred in many places, below are just some.

1. God hates the workers of iniquity (Psalm 5:5)
2. God hates the wicked (Psalm 11:5)
3. God hates the sacrifices of the wicked (Proverbs 15:8)
4. God hates the ways of the wicked (Proverbs 15:9)
5. God hates the thoughts of the wicked (Proverbs 15:26)
6. God hates feet that make haste to run to evil (Proverbs 6:18)
7. God hated Esau (Malachi 1:1-3; Romans 9:13)
8. God hates the deeds of the Nicolaitans (Revelation 2:6)

God hates everyone outside of Christ, so when we hear people misquoting John 3"16 to make it say "God so loved the whole world and every single person in it", know that there is no truth in them and they have come under strong delusion.

Have you ever considered these things also God hates? ‘Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hates: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.’

Also on the list of those things God hates…burnt offerings. And animal sacrifices

 

[PGS11]

I hate all those things too I,m with God on it.I see no problem God hates sin no suprise there.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Yes, Scriptures often present paradoxical, dialectical, and tension-filled elements.

So, you reckon after the death, Crucifixion & resurrection of Messiah this is what God "see?" Hatred to all the "non-elect" who are created in His IMAGO DEI?
When I presented to you from the same Scriptures how God "feels" anthropomorphically speaking, toward the lost, not willing that ANYONE should perish but what?

You are sitting with a problem now==

Key Scriptures on God’s Love for Sinners:

John 3:16 (NKJV) "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."

This verse highlights that God’s love extends to the entire world, including sinners. His act of giving His Son is a demonstration of His love and desire for the salvation of all people.

Romans 5:8 (NKJV) "But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us."

Paul points out that God’s love is evident in the fact that Christ died for us even while we were still sinners, showing that God’s love is not conditional upon our righteousness.

1 John 4:9-10 (NKJV) "In this the love of God was manifested toward us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through Him. In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins."

This passage shows that God’s love is proactive and unconditional, manifesting in the sacrificial death of Jesus for sinners.

2 Peter 3:9 (NKJV) "The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance."

Peter emphasizes that God is patient and desires repentance for all, indicating His love and willingness to forgive sinners.

Luke 15:7 (NKJV) "I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance."

Jesus illustrates that there is great joy in heaven over the repentance of sinners, reflecting God’s joy and love in their return to Him.

God’s attitude towards sinners is one of love and desire for reconciliation rather than hatred. The Bible consistently portrays God as loving even those who are in sin, offering them forgiveness and redemption through Jesus Christ. The divine nature of God encompasses both justice and mercy, and His love remains steadfast despite human shortcomings.

Prove me wrong @Christian Soldier
J.

I cant show you the truth because you are blind and dead in your sin, as such there is no truth in you.

You quote every verse out of it's intended context and try to use it to support your heretical theology. You quote verses with "us", "whosoever", "any" "all" "world" etc. but you never ever identify who these scriptures are speaking about. I assume you mean Satan and His Demons right? right.

See, you theology doesn't make any sense at all, it's utterly foolish of you to accuse God of having double standards and being a hypocrite. You say He's trying to save reprobates who mock Him to His face, and whom He is going to torment for all eternity in the lake of fire. I would never worship a god like the one you describe, because he's a pathetic loser and hypocrite.