Universalism is a dangerous doctrine

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Proper Hermaneutics requires examination of sources. We live in a time where it is easier than it has ever been. Maybe we are in a period where those who are truly seeking the truth from God will do so.
 
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Proper Hermaneutics requires examination of sources. We live in a time where it is easier than it has ever been. Maybe we are in a period where those who are truly seeking the truth from God will do so.
Absolutely. The great thing is that we do live in a time or age where we have access to the complete source of all truth. Not merely a hand full of ancient scrolls written by a hand full of people but God in His great wisdom has given us His Holy Spirit of Truth to be a kind of Divine librarian Who has 24/7 access to every piece of truth available.

The fantastic thing is this Divine Librarian has made us His host and His home. Now we have 24/7 access to Him Who has access to all truth.

Why would we continue to seek truth in a limited, an extremly limited source? Wouldn't you say that what is found in the bible points to the Designer, Creator and Owner of all that is, including ALL truth? I couldn't encourage anyone enough to go directly to Them, the Source.

Yes, this requires learning a new practice, new habit of going to a new source. It took me a while to renew my thinking and my habits. Over the past few years I learnt to go to the new Source exclusively.

The amazing thing is that as we've received truth from the bible and the Spirit creates opportunities for us to apply that truth, He now invites us to access unlimited truth way beyond what is contained in the bibles. Now He creates opportunities for us to apply these new truths and He comes with us as we do, enabling us to learn through experiencing truth.
 
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So can you rely on the person who added or the person who questioned or the person who removed this section of information recorded by Mark? Which person or persons do you trust and depend on for their judgement on this matter?
Your choice. I reject it. Many people have died this way, in the very backwoods somewhere in the states of USA. You can believe it, but it’s dangerous in my opinion…

Especially when the Bible and its material applications are over today. However by all means you choose what you desire to do about it.
 

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The last words many Universalists will hear from Jesus:

Matthew 25:41
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
 

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The last words many Universalists will hear from Jesus:

Matthew 25:41
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels
Have you been into the future to have the confidence to say,

The last words many Universalists will hear from Jesus:

Matthew 25:41

41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
 

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Have you been into the future to have the confidence to say,

The last words many Universalists will hear from Jesus:

Matthew 25:41

41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Hell will be filled with those who don't believe in Hell!

As Jesus said, "they will be tormented day and night FOREVER"!
 

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Hell will be filled with those who don't believe in Hell!

As Jesus said, "they will be tormented day and night FOREVER"!
Yes they will until they repent and are shown mercy and grace. Thank God for Their love for all Their creations.
 

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Yes they will until they repent and are shown mercy and grace. Thank God for Their love for all Their creations.
No Scripture? Of course not!

Matthew 25:41

41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Revelation 20:10
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
 

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No Scripture? Of course not!

Matthew 25:41

41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Revelation 20:10
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Yes no scripture. When Jesus and the apostles received new revelations of truth often there was no precedence, no former teaching. They had been hidden in the God of all truth and revealed in time, on time, when it suited God4.

That is why God's thoughts are being constantly given, much of it will be new never before released to man in this realm. As Jesus once revealed

Jhn 16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

Jhn 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Christ has given me a revelation of the future that incorporated what Jesus taught when on earth and additional 'more' truths of 'what is to come'.

It's fantastic! It has changed my relationship with Christ and Father. I view Them differently since getting a greater revelation of Them.
 

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Yes no scripture. When Jesus and the apostles received new revelations of truth often there was no precedence, no former teaching. They had been hidden in the God of all truth and revealed in time, on time, when it suited God4.

That is why God's thoughts are being constantly given, much of it will be new never before released to man in this realm. As Jesus once revealed

Jhn 16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

Jhn 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Christ has given me a revelation of the future that incorporated what Jesus taught when on earth and additional 'more' truths of 'what is to come'.

It's fantastic! It has changed my relationship with Christ and Father. I view Them differently since getting a greater revelation of Them.
Why are you evading the Scriptures about Hell fire like plague? Should we believe you or Jesus?
 

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Why are you evading the Scriptures about Hell fire like plague? Should we believe you or Jesus?
Jesus didn't see or know everything when He was in human form.
He like John could only see and know what Father revealed to them. Revelation is progressive. We don't know how much truth even Jesus the Son of Man could bear.
We don't know what Jesus knew but wasn't allowed to reveal to His first disciples, like John.

Beyond what was revealed by Father no one could know. Even after all that has been disclosed by the Source of all truth, there is soooo much that remains hidden in God and remains a mystery.

So beyond those being sentenced to spend time in the lake of fire only God knows what will happen in the far future, the never ending ages to come.

I have seen what I have and thank our Creators every day for the revelation of this truth.

Personally I don't bear any responsibility for what this truth does within the heart of those who hear it. Freely I received it, freely l pass it on.
 

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Jesus didn't see or know everything when He was in human form.
IOW, you're saying Jesus was wrong!
He like John could only see and know what Father revealed to them. Revelation is progressive. We don't know how much truth even Jesus the Son of Man could bear.
We don't know what Jesus knew but wasn't allowed to reveal to His first disciples, like John.

Beyond what was revealed by Father no one could know. Even after all that has been disclosed by the Source of all truth, there is soooo much that remains hidden in God and remains a mystery.

So beyond those being sentenced to spend time in the lake of fire only God knows what will happen in the far future, the never ending ages to come.

I have seen what I have and thank our Creators every day for the revelation of this truth.

Personally I don't bear any responsibility for what this truth does within the heart of those who hear it. Freely I received it, freely l pass it on.
 

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Jesus didn't see or know everything when He was in human form.
He like John could only see and know what Father revealed to them. Revelation is progressive. We don't know how much truth even Jesus the Son of Man could bear.
We don't know what Jesus knew but wasn't allowed to reveal to His first disciples, like John.

Beyond what was revealed by Father no one could know. Even after all that has been disclosed by the Source of all truth, there is soooo much that remains hidden in God and remains a mystery.

So beyond those being sentenced to spend time in the lake of fire only God knows what will happen in the far future, the never ending ages to come.

I have seen what I have and thank our Creators every day for the revelation of this truth.

Personally I don't bear any responsibility for what this truth does within the heart of those who hear it. Freely I received it, freely l pass it on.
So, does this passage affect your view on the ignorance of Jesus when He spoke?

John 12:49 For I have not spoken on my own authority, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment—what to say and what to speak.
 

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So, does this passage affect your view on the ignorance of Jesus when He spoke?

John 12:49 For I have not spoken on my own authority, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment—what to say and what to speak.
Not at all. Father only gave Jesus what He could handle at the time. He can handle a lot more now that He is in a glorified state, as will we.

Father only gave Jesus what He was prepared to give Him. Jesus was only able to give His followers what His Father told Him to give. How much Jesus knew and didn't share we don't know.

God hides things from us as He did Jesus.
 

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Total contradiction!
Would you agree that Jesus saw only what He was shown by His Father? And the rest was a mystery to Him.

I don't know what He knows now. But I do know that He shares more truths to us now than He did 2000 years ago. It seems that we can handle it now but not then.

Jesus, like us, could not reveal what was not revealed to Him. As He is informed He can inform us.
He wasn't wrong, He just didn't know what was going to happen in the future.
 

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Would you agree that Jesus saw only what He was shown by His Father? And the rest was a mystery to Him.

I don't know what He knows now. But I do know that He shares more truths to us now than He did 2000 years ago. It seems that we can handle it now but not then.

Jesus, like us, could not reveal what was not revealed to Him. As He is informed He can inform us.
He wasn't wrong, He just didn't know what was going to happen in the future.
Would you agree that you avoid the Scriptures that declare Jesus is God?

Col 1 By Jesus all things were created!
 

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Would you agree that you avoid the Scriptures that declare Jesus is God?

Col 1 By Jesus all things were created!
Jesus is the Son of God. Jesus cried out, My God, My God! Jesus said, why call Me good, there is none good but God alone.

Is Jesus, Creator of this creation? Yes. Was He one of the 'Us' and 'Our' Who created humans? Yes.