Did Jesus Come Back As A Ghost - In His Body?

[MatthewG]

Did Jesus Come Back As A Ghost - In His Body?



Just think about, if Jesus did not use his body with the nail prints, the apostles wouldn't have known he had come back.

You can be the the thinker here, and you don't have to believe me. Back then they believed in ghost(s) big time. But if he just came back as a ghost without a body - none of the 500 people would have seen him now would they?

I have been a ghost hunter before but have never seen one, and I also remember when the disciples were rowing with the wind against them, Jesus walked on the water "and the disciples suspecting him to be a "ghost.""

 

[Bob]

Thank you for your post.

A ghost? No.

Speculation: The bodily resurrected Jesus existed in more than three dimensions. In a 4th dimension, perpendicular to our world, Jesus could move about infinitely close to our world without being seen, but could easily appear and disappear, as He did with the disciples, by “stepping in” to our world, and then out again.

To better picture this in your own mind, read the following mathematical fantasy: https://ned.ipac.caltech.edu/level5/Abbott/paper.pdf

Blessings.

 

[MatthewG]

What about Paul's consideration of the explanation on resurrection? 1 Corinthians 15?

You can say no, thank you for your comment. I'll pass on your link. :)

Blessing, Bob.

 

[MatthewG]

It would make sense in Yeshua, having become a spirit that was raised by the holy spirit, within that body. I mean if he never used the body, no one would have known he had overcome death...

It's probably a lot more radical than what is mostly taught. I could be wrong but there are others who assume this to be a possibility.

 

[MatthewG]

No other takers? Many people today are expecting to have a physically resurrected body. However, is that really true?

 

[lforrest]

No other takers? Many people today are expecting to have a physically resurrected body. However, is that really true?

I consider the resurrected body of Jesus to essentially be the first revealing of human body 2.0. A design that the resurrected in Christ will also share known as the "new body." It will be much better than the old ragged tent.

 

[Windmill Charge]

Did Jesus Come Back As A Ghost - In His Body

No he didn't as Luke 24 shows:-
36 While they were still talking about this, Jesus himself stood among them and said to them, ‘Peace be with you.’

37 They were startled and frightened, thinking they saw a ghost. 38 He said to them, ‘Why are you troubled, and why do doubts rise in your minds? 39 Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.’

40 When he had said this, he showed them his hands and feet. 41 And while they still did not believe it because of joy and amazement, he asked them, ‘Do you have anything here to eat?’ 42 They gave him a piece of broiled fish, 43 and he took it and ate it in their presence.

Jesus invited them to touch him and he ate in their presence, a spiritual being would not do this.

Where people get befuddled is that he could do things a normal mortal human cannot do.

As Paul explained he had a supernatural body.

 

[MatthewG]

Okay. Thank you both for your comment.

I’m wonder why there is first a natural body, but then spiritual.

It’s said you can’t see Yahavah because he is a spirit. We would die as well.



So you gotta wonder if the whole thing of people desiring a new “physical body” is true.

 

[MatthewG]

Jesus wasn’t resurrected with a new body, he had his same one he died in.

 

[Windmill Charge]

Jesus wasn’t resurrected with a new body, he had his same one he died in.

A body that could disappear and appear, that was his body yet people did not immediately recognise him.

Just because we cannot give an explain away his resurrection doesn't mean it didn’t happen.

It's one of the accepted facts by historians, that Jesus's tomb was found to be empty.

 

[MatthewG]

Hey windmill,

I believe Jesus must have been a ghost, but showed his body to show that death had been overcame. What do you believe concerning that?

I believe in the resurrection, of Jesus Christ, is a fundamental truth and principle concerning newness of life.

I’m just getting people’s opinions, and don’t hold one truer than the other.

Thank you for your comment.

 

[MatthewG]

You know concerning flesh and in the face of God, none shall glory so you wonder if the possibility that when Yeshua had ascended he shredded from that body…



Cause my understanding is that we are raised spiritual, and there is a spiritual kingdom we are headed to, with a family of believers who are spiritual, and we also have a family of believers here that are predicated by the spirit.

 

[lforrest]

Ghosts can not take physical form. Hence the touch test that Jesus allowed following his resurrection.

Angels, on the other hand, share some of the abilities Jesus demonstrated. Angels can appear and disappear. Angels can interact with the physical world. Angels can disguise themselves. I summise that these are basic abilities for spiritual bodies..

 

[Taken]

Did Jesus Come Back As A Ghost - In His Body?

God prepared a body for His Word JESUS, for when He would come into THIS World.

The Body God prepared, was in the Likeness of manKIND…with a particular appearance…

* A body…that would come forth unto this world, from the womb of a Jewish virgin female, of the House of King David.

* A male body…with the outer appearance of a common Jewish man’s, Looks and stature.
And the Likeness of a Human mans FLESH and BLOOD.

* A male body…with the same likeness as common Jews….holding no high status, or wealth, or nobility, to regard Him as famous, noble or threatening.

* A male body….having a LEGAL status as a son and sibling of a common Jewish family of no signifiant importance.

* UNTIL …. This seemingly unimportant, child became a MAN, and began His ministry…

* And by, through, of HIS Word, His preaching, His miracles……masses of the People at Large were Intrigued AND the …
Governing authorities (religiously and politically) over the Jews…began to become alarmed…concerned….threatened….

* And….no different than today … establishing a response from the threatened;
Endless attempts….to kill, wipe out, suppress, Demonize, start false accusations, threaten and punish followers….on and on

Jesus CAME “humbled” in the bodily likeness AS A MAN ….WITH “HIS” unseen SOUL and WITH “HIS” unseen SPIRIT…..
with a “mission” to Accomplish in service unto His Father God.

The moment Jesus OPENED His MOUTH, speaking the WORD OF GOD…He was SERVING GOD.

The moment Jesus willingly surrendered His bodily Life unto God…HE accomplished / finished THAT express” mission”..


Prophecy:
Isa 55:
[11] So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

Prophecy fulfilled:
John 19:
[28] After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst.
[29] Now there was set a vessel full of vinegar: and they filled a spunge with vinegar, and put it upon hyssop, and put it to his mouth.
[30] When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

Gods Word JESUS, bodily returned to God…
However the WORDS Jesus uttered out of His mouth REMAINED in the Ears of they who Heard Him……and continued to others WHO Hear His Words…

Once a mans Word leaves his mouth, the Words continue to Remain IN him.
A man can not UN-Hear, what he has heard.

As Jesus bodily sits IN Heaven…He sends HIS POWER, Gods Power…Spirit, Christ…TO:
MEN ON EARTH….WHO have elected:
* To heartfuly (natural truth) believe IN the word of God.
* To Confess their heartful belief in the Lord God..
* To willingly GIVE “their body” “their body’s LIFE, ie BLOOD) unto the Lord God.
* AND thus…ACCEPT the Lord Gods “OFFERING” of salvation of their soul, quickening of their spirit….and an ETERNAL WHOLE glorified (body, soul, spirit) LIFE with the Lord God….FOREVER…
(Inanutshell, the common acronym OSAS).

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Jericho]

Jesus could walk through walls, and yet he could also be seen, touched, and even ate. That wouldn't fit the description of disembodied spirit. It was his body, but a better version of it. Not of flesh and blood but of flesh and bone (Luke 24:39). They even questioned him if he was a ghost, and he proves that he was not.

Have you wondered why we need a ressurected body in the first place? It's so we can come back to this earth and rule and reign with Christ. We need a physical body to operate in this realm, not a celestial heavenly body. So, God will give us an immortal one that is perfect.

 

[MatthewG]

Ghosts can not take physical form. Hence the touch test that Jesus allowed following his resurrection.

Angels, on the other hand, share some of the abilities Jesus demonstrated. Angels can appear and disappear. Angels can interact with the physical world. Angels can disguise themselves. I summise that these are basic abilities for spiritual bodies..

In that day you also can consider how demons were cast out of those possessed. Some consider that a factor today; I doubt it as much today. Not that Darkness has ceased to exist or the trauma of the past.

Did an angel come through the body of a messenger? Or something like that you think? There are some angels that left their abode, and their are some creations of God that just alone worship him.

 

[MatthewG]

I don’t think they questioned if he was a ghost, I think he was telling them as the Word of God, that he is in that body to show he overcame as promised, but this body isn’t his real form now.

Again it begs to question what the heck was Paul talking about concerning spiritual body.

Think about all the times when Jesus said don’t say nothing until I’ve risen again.

@Jericho

I don’t believe about coming back to this earth and reigning with Christ, we already do that now, that’s my opinion on that matter.

 

[MatthewG]

Did Jesus Come Back As A Ghost - In His Body?

God prepared a body for His Word JESUS, for when He would come into THIS World.

The Body God prepared, was in the Likeness of manKIND…with a particular appearance…

* A body…that would come forth unto this world, from the womb of a Jewish virgin female, of the House of King David.

* A male body…with the outer appearance of a common Jewish man’s, Looks and stature.
And the Likeness of a Human mans FLESH and BLOOD.

* A male body…with the same likeness as common Jews….holding no high status, or wealth, or nobility, to regard Him as famous, noble or threatening.

* A male body….having a LEGAL status as a son and sibling of a common Jewish family of no signifiant importance.

* UNTIL …. This seemingly unimportant, child became a MAN, and began His ministry…

* And by, through, of HIS Word, His preaching, His miracles……masses of the People at Large were Intrigued AND the …
Governing authorities (religiously and politically) over the Jews…began to become alarmed…concerned….threatened….

* And….no different than today … establishing a response from the threatened;
Endless attempts….to kill, wipe out, suppress, Demonize, start false accusations, threaten and punish followers….on and on

Jesus CAME “humbled” in the bodily likeness AS A MAN ….WITH “HIS” unseen SOUL and WITH “HIS” unseen SPIRIT…..
with a “mission” to Accomplish in service unto His Father God.

The moment Jesus OPENED His MOUTH, speaking the WORD OF GOD…He was SERVING GOD.

The moment Jesus willingly surrendered His bodily Life unto God…HE accomplished / finished THAT express” mission”..


Prophecy:
Isa 55:
[11] So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

Prophecy fulfilled:
John 19:
[28] After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst.
[29] Now there was set a vessel full of vinegar: and they filled a spunge with vinegar, and put it upon hyssop, and put it to his mouth.
[30] When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

Gods Word JESUS, bodily returned to God…
However the WORDS Jesus uttered out of His mouth REMAINED in the Ears of they who Heard Him……and continued to others WHO Hear His Words…

Once a mans Word leaves his mouth, the Words continue to Remain IN him.
A man can not UN-Hear, what he has heard.

As Jesus bodily sits IN Heaven…He sends HIS POWER, Gods Power…Spirit, Christ…TO:
MEN ON EARTH….WHO have elected:
* To heartfuly (natural truth) believe IN the word of God.
* To Confess their heartful belief in the Lord God..
* To willingly GIVE “their body” “their body’s LIFE, ie BLOOD) unto the Lord God.
* AND thus…ACCEPT the Lord Gods “OFFERING” of salvation of their soul, quickening of their spirit….and an ETERNAL WHOLE glorified (body, soul, spirit) LIFE with the Lord God….FOREVER…
(Inanutshell, the common acronym OSAS).

Glory to God,
Taken

I hate reading your responses like this, man. Skipped. Sorry all the best, and hope your daughter is doing good.

 

[Jericho]

I don’t believe about coming back to this earth and reigning with Christ, we already do that now, that’s my opinion on that matter.

That's fine, but then it would negate the need for a ressurected body.

 

[MatthewG]

That's fine, but then it would negate the need for a ressurected body.

How is one going to dwell with God in the realm here after, it’s the spiritual realm.

Yeshua sat at the right hand of God for a moment, until all things were placed beneath his feet and moved from the right hand and sitting on the throne with his Father, though subject to him.

There is one who sits on the throne now today, and there is a kingdom which is founded, and it’s not the Kingdom of this world.

Though you have a difference in what you may see these still play a part in the Bible assuredly.