I hate myself, and hate being an atheist.

[Matthias]

Then why the sweet hell did he create people? Just to worship him and boost his ego?

You don’t believe that God created people. I don’t see any reason for you to get bent out of shape over something which you assert never took place. Why does it upset you? Why not just ignore such talk?

***

God is love. God created man because he wants man. Man gives God pleasure. God loves man and wants to be loved by man.

 

[Matthias]

You long ago read that God commands people everywhere, including you, to repent @Cerraco. You choose to refuse to obey his command. You think there will be no repercussion, and lash out when you’re told that there will be.

God or evolution.

Evolution offers you no hope. God does. You’re defending evolution and fighting against God.

Evolution -> ends in man’s destruction.

Fighting God -> ends in man’s destruction.

Obeying God -> leads to never ending life with God.

You’ve freely chosen hopelessness and doubled down on it.

***

You choose to speak with believers. You don’t like what believers tell you.

Believers aren’t going to change their conversation with unbelievers. That leaves you with another choice: Continue speaking with believers and get triggered (Does that give you pleasure? Does that entertain you? Does that give meaning to your life?) or cease speaking with believers and live out your life until your destruction comes.

I can’t help you with your female relationship issue. I haven’t been able to help you, so far, with your God relationship issue. You continue to come back to me to discuss it. As I hope you can see, my question concerns why you continue to make that choice.

 

[Matthias]

“Obeying God leads to never ending life with God.”

In heaven after death? No. In a renewed earth after bodily resurrection from gravedom.

 

[Johann]

“Obeying God leads to never ending life with God.”

In heaven after death? No. In a renewed earth after bodily resurrection from gravedom.

Hi there @Matthias this morning I was thinking-I am looking for F.F. Bruce Questions and Answers in PDF format.
Is there some way you can assist?
Johann.

 

[Matthias]

Hi there @Matthias this morning I was thinking-I am looking for F.F. Bruce Questions and Answers in PDF format.
Is there some way you can assist?
Johann.

I searched for the book (online and in my personal library and work files) but wasn’t able to locate it in PDF format.

I have several of his books in my personal library, as well as some personal correspondence between he and one of my colleagues, but I don’t have this particular book. One of the sources I checked (a theological seminary in Louisville, KY) indicated that I had borrowed the book from them a few years ago, but I didn’t copy it.

 

[Johann]

I searched for the book (online and in my personal library and work files) but wasn’t able to locate it in PDF format.

I have several of his books in my personal library, as well as some personal correspondence between he and one of my colleagues, but I don’t have this particular book. One of the sources I checked (a theological seminary in Louisville, KY) indicated that I had borrowed the book from them a few years ago, but I didn’t copy it.

Thank you brother, busy studying Romans 6,7 & 8 using Bob Utley as a study guide.
Study resources such as Bruce is hard to find in South Africa.

Shalom to you and family.
Johann.

 

[Cerraco]

You long ago read that God commands people everywhere, including you, to repent @Cerraco. You choose to refuse to obey his command. You think there will be no repercussion, and lash out when you’re told that there will be.

God or evolution.

The two do not need to be mutually exclusive. At least, for some people, they aren't. There is no concrete proof of God, and plenty of people here say there's no proof for evolution, which in a sense, is objectively wrong (in the context of how it works, not specifically about how the world was formed). Not everything needs to be "anything that's not god = doom and destruction and bad stuff!"

Evolution offers you no hope. God does. You’re defending evolution and fighting against God.

Evolution -> ends in man’s destruction.

Fighting God -> ends in man’s destruction.

Again, both of these concepts can exist, it's just that people like to choose one over the other. I understand you're giving me a short, simplified version of your point, but not every person who believes in evolution is destined for destruction. Why does it have to be destruction?

Obeying God -> leads to never ending life with God.

You’ve freely chosen hopelessness and doubled down on it.

That is greatly shrinking the context down of what I just said. I even mentioned how the idea in itself of God creating the Earth wasn't the craziest thing I've heard, it was just the Adam and Eve stuff that makes zero logical sense.

You choose to speak with believers. You don’t like what believers tell you.

Believers aren’t going to change their conversation with unbelievers. That leaves you with another choice: Continue speaking with believers and get triggered (Does that give you pleasure? Does that entertain you? Does that give meaning to your life?) or cease speaking with believers and live out your life until your destruction comes.

I can’t help you with your female relationship issue. I haven’t been able to help you, so far, with your God relationship issue. You continue to come back to me to discuss it. As I hope you can see, my question concerns why you continue to make that choice.

I love how we fall into this mutually exclusive thing again. There are people that are so atheist that even Richard Dawkins would look like a preacher compared to them, yet a lot of them live happy lives. Although I'm sure that example was referring to just me? Even then, you're creating a lot of end-all be-alls. Me talking my "female relationship issue" was more about how the world works, but granted, I should have worded that better.

Soooo... God has no plan for anyone, some people are worse off than others, but it's still up to us to believe in him anyway? Despite that some people are raised differently? Tell me Matthias, how and when do you think the Earth was formed?

 

[Matthias]

The two do not need to be mutually exclusive.

We’ve already discussed that. Neither you nor I found it persuasive.

At least, for some people, they aren't.

I’m speaking with you, not them.

There is no concrete proof of God, and plenty of people here say there's no proof for evolution, which in a sense, is objectively wrong (in the context of how it works, not specifically about how the world was formed). Not everything needs to be "anything that's not god = doom and destruction and bad stuff!"

Again, both of these concepts can exist, it's just that people like to choose one over the other. I understand you're giving me a short, simplified version of your point, but not every person who believes in evolution is destined for destruction. Why does it have to be destruction?

Destruction of those who reject God, the creator, alone, by himself, is the Biblical worldview.

That is greatly shrinking the context down of what I just said. I even mentioned how the idea in itself of God creating the Earth wasn't the craziest thing I've heard, it was just the Adam and Eve stuff that makes zero logical sense.

I love how we fall into this mutually exclusive thing again. There are people that are so atheist that even Richard Dawkins would look like a preacher compared to them, yet a lot of them live happy lives. Although I'm sure that example was referring to just me? Even then, you're creating a lot of end-all be-alls. Me talking my "female relationship issue" was more about how the world works, but granted, I should have worded that better.

Incompatible worldviews.

Soooo... God has no plan for anyone …

You didn’t hear that from me nor from other Christians.

… some people are worse off than others, but it's still up to us to believe in him anyway?

Believing in God has nothing to do with being better off or worse off in this life.

Despite that some people are raised differently?

How we are raised shouldn’t be used as an excuse not to believe in God.

Tell me Matthias, how and when do you think the Earth was formed?

Recall Genesis 1 from your long ago reading of the Bible.

 

[Matthias]

Tell me Matthias, how and when do you think the Earth was formed?

”You continue to come back to me to discuss it.“ - post #242

Why?

 

[Cerraco]

I’m speaking with you, not them.

Not what that meant. This is turning into false cherry picking now.

Incompatible worldviews.

????????????

You didn’t hear that from me nor from other Christians.

Didn't you just say that "God has no plan for me" and that "I was on my own"?

Believing in God has nothing to do with being better off or worse off in this life.

Well, you said God -> eternal life, evolution -> destruction, so...

How we are raised shouldn’t be used as an excuse not to believe in God.

Sorry, nope. That line doesn't work like you think. Stuff like this is extremely easy to say when you believe in God. It's not just about how someone is raised, but how someone lives.

Recall Genesis 1 from your long ago reading of the Bible.

So the world became the way it is now in just 6000-10000 years..? Not a smart move to put a sacred tree of life within reach of someone who can ruin things.

”You continue to come back to me to discuss it.“ - post #242

Why?

Seemed like you were talking about the relationship thing there.

 

[Matthias]

Didn't you just say that "God has no plan for me" and that "I was on my own"?

You said -> “Sooo … God has no plan for anyone.”

I had said -> “God has no plan for you. You‘re on your own.”

God has a plan for everyone who belongs to the Messiah.

It's not just about how someone is raised, but how someone lives.

I discussed that with you earlier too.

So the world became the way it is now in just 6000-10000 years..? Not a smart move to put a sacred tree of life within reach of someone who can ruin things.

You’ve rejected and criticized the God whom you don’t believe exists. You’ve found evolution to be more persuasive. The question remains, why do you continue to come back to me, asking me about what I believe? What does knowing what I believe do for you?

 

[Matthias]

I am screaming in my head right now, where is this god?

You said that you read the Bible a long time ago. You know where the Bible says he is.

Where is this "heals the broken-hearted" that he does?

In the lives of those who believe in him.

If he doesn't answer…

Why would God answer someone who doesn’t believe he exists and is persuaded that life randomly came from non-life?

I might have to escape somewhere …

Once again, you said that you read the Bible a long time ago. You’ve read that there is no place where you can go to escape his presence. You don’t believe what you’ve read.

… because I can hardly even think.

You’ve done a great deal of thinking since you started this thread. It’s reinforced your position against God.

 

[Cerraco]

Once again, you said that you read the Bible a long time ago. You’ve read that there is no place where you can go to escape his presence. You don’t believe what you’ve read.

This is heavily generalized compared to what the actual facts are. Some parts of the Bible make perfect sense, some of it doesn't fit the real world in at all.

Why would God answer someone who doesn’t believe he exists and is persuaded that life randomly came from non-life?

The only person that knows how God truly helps people would be God himself, assuming he's real. I don't believe in evolution because I'm trying to stick it to religion, I believe in it because one has mountains of proof and facts, and the opposite story is just "it's in this book, so..." Could you truly blame people for believing in it? There are civilizations and discoveries and whatnot alone that prove that the Earth and humanity go back MUCH farther than the Bible states.

What if I study Christ, become a Christian and totally give my life to the man upstairs and still believe in evolution? Is that still leading me to destruction?

 

[Pearl]

I was at the other Christian Forums, but they banned me because I mentioned a few things that I did not know were against the rules (I won't mention them here as to not risk anything). I am absolutely BOILING angry at them, as they picked a terrible time to do that. There's nothing like seeing someone online, and then just not responding and ghosting you.

My mind is in a panicked, lost and horrified state. I hate myself, and I'm so anxious that I'm constantly woozy. I am 35 and have not been with a woman, because I've been busy with life.
I then joined the Sosuave forum, which is - for those who don't know - a super macho redpilled alpha male testosterone cold emotionless forum, but they have constant success with women. That place introduced to me how shallow and one-sided the love world is, which has proven that it may be too late for me.



Just when I get help at the other forum, they decide to ban me, and then not tell me if it's permanent or not because half the planet likes to play the "not reply" game. Seriously, who doesn't do that? Every mod at every forum loves doing that, and you can see when they were last online. I am screaming in my head right
now, where is this god? Where is this "heals the broken-hearted" that he does? If he doesn't answer, I might have to escape somewhere, because I can hardly even think.

Hi @Cerraco - This thread has been open now for about ten months and my question is: Are you still an atheist or have you taken the advice given to you and committed you life to JESUS and repented of you unbelief?

 

[Matthias]

This is heavily generalized compared to what the actual facts are. Some parts of the Bible make perfect sense, some of it doesn't fit the real world in at all.

The only person that knows how God truly helps people would be God himself, assuming he's real. I don't believe in evolution because I'm trying to stick it to religion, I believe in it because one has mountains of proof and facts, and the opposite story is just "it's in this book, so..." Could you truly blame people for believing in it? There are civilizations and discoveries and whatnot alone that prove that the Earth and humanity go back MUCH farther than the Bible states.

What if I study Christ, become a Christian and totally give my life to the man upstairs and still believe in evolution? Is that still leading me to destruction?

God created the heavens and the earth, alone, by himself. He spoke the creation into existence.

Evolution replaces God with a theory about creation for which there is no proof.

You aren’t searching for God. You’re continuing to defend the theory of evolution.

 

[Matthias]

The question remains, why do you continue to come back to me, asking me about what I believe? What does knowing what I believe do for you?

Why do you suppose I continue to ask you this question @Cerraco?

 

[Matthias]

You choose to speak with believers. You don’t like what believers tell you.

Believers aren’t going to change their conversation with unbelievers. That leaves you with another choice: Continue speaking with believers and get triggered (Does that give you pleasure? Does that entertain you? Does that give meaning to your life?) or cease speaking with believers and live out your life until your destruction comes.

You’ve chosen to continue speaking with believers. You‘ve also chosen not to say why you’ve made that choice.

What that choice does for you, from your perspective, remains unknown to me. I have an impression but I’m seeking information to confirm it.

What that choice does for you, from the perspective of God and the Messiah, is remove ignorance as an excuse in the coming judgment (which you don’t believe will happen.)

 

[RedFan]

What if I study Christ, become a Christian and totally give my life to the man upstairs and still believe in evolution? Is that still leading me to destruction?

I'm a Christian who believes in evolution, and I have no difficulties whatsoever. I say the Adam and Eve story is a Jewish myth. And I mean “myth” in the best sense, as something not factually accurate but profoundly “true” in what it teaches us. I’m pretty sure all First Century Jews and Christians accepted it as factually true. That’s not the case today. It's not the case with me.

 

[Cerraco]

You’ve chosen to continue speaking with believers. You‘ve also chosen not to say why you’ve made that choice.

What that choice does for you, from your perspective, remains unknown to me. I have an impression but I’m seeking information to confirm it.

What that choice does for you, from the perspective of God and the Messiah, is remove ignorance as an excuse in the coming judgment (which you don’t believe will happen.)

You are context-shrinking everything I say. Just because I don't believe or question certain parts of the Bible does not mean I am bashing the religion.

Evolution replaces God with a theory about creation for which there is no proof.

Yes. Yes there is. Which one is more of a theory? Which one can be studied easier? I'm not even talking about religion or God at this point, just creation in general. You said that God created the Earth and the heavens, and a part of me could buy that. As for the age of the Earth being less than 4 billion years old... no.

Hi @Cerraco - This thread has been open now for about ten months and my question is: Are you still an atheist or have you taken the advice given to you and committed you life to JESUS and repented of you unbelief?

The atheism is still there in a sense because of how hard I work off of proof, not faith. I have done the prayer thing because like some of you said, what did I have to lose? It doesn't change anything, life is still life regardless of what you believe. There are good atheists and terrible Christians, so I'm not quite grasping that whole... "destruction" thing.

Let's say I become a Christian right now, what are the mechanics of God's help? Prayers get answered more? Does he somehow speak to me telepathically?

 

[Matthias]

You are context-shrinking everything I say. Just because I don't believe or question certain parts of the Bible does not mean I am bashing the religion.

Yes. Yes there is. Which one is more of a theory? Which one can be studied easier? I'm not even talking about religion or God at this point, just creation in general. You said that God created the Earth and the heavens, and a part of me could buy that. As for the age of the Earth being less than 4 billion years old... no.

The atheism is still there in a sense because of how hard I work off of proof, not faith. I have done the prayer thing because like some of you said, what did I have to lose? It doesn't change anything, life is still life regardless of what you believe. There are good atheists and terrible Christians, so I'm not quite grasping that whole... "destruction" thing.

Let's say I become a Christian right now, what are the mechanics of God's help? Prayers get answered more? Does he somehow speak to me telepathically?

Do you want to become a Christian?