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Grailhunter

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what..?
"25 But if out in the country a man happens to meet a young woman pledged to be married and rapes her, only the man who has done this shall die. 26 Do nothing to the woman; she has committed no sin deserving death. This case is like that of someone who attacks and murders a neighbor, 27 for the man found the young woman out in the country, and though the betrothed woman screamed, there was no one to rescue her."

That is in the country....in the city..
23 If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her, 24 you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death—the young woman because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man’s wife. You must purge the evil from among you.
 

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yes undoubtedly- however, im saying .. i thought that wedding was something christianity came up with- so we as christians cannot claim only christians can have wedding, understand?


love and respect are quite similar. the bible says men needs respect, and women need love
women are insecure and desperate to simply be accepted as they are
men need respect, and to be appreciated

love, to me, is to ignore someones faults and instead only see the good in them- some parents love their children too much and neglect parenting them..
as for whether we do have love, yes no doubt- she has many times asked me if i put a lovespell on her because her love for me is so intense and still almost a whole year later its something she had not tried before


what..?
"25 But if out in the country a man happens to meet a young woman pledged to be married and rapes her, only the man who has done this shall die. 26 Do nothing to the woman; she has committed no sin deserving death. This case is like that of someone who attacks and murders a neighbor, 27 for the man found the young woman out in the country, and though the betrothed woman screamed, there was no one to rescue her."

i read this as only the man gets punishment- although it could make sense a married woman would also get punished for putting herself in a situation like that, maybe just to deter women from having any power in accusing someone of rape- or using that as excuse in case shes caught cheating


that made me laugh

anyhow..
"Hebrews 13:4 considers sex outside of marriage to be immoral: “Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled."
SEX causes the union, the bonding on flesh right, thus- marriage?
so how is the bonding in itself, which causes the marriage, against the marriage?
is there something im misunderstanding because this is a paradox as i see it

if simple intercourse is what causes marriage, then i have been married many times.....

You said….if simple intercourse is what causes marriage, then i have been married many times.....

That would be correct….a long trail of sin.
People think that casual sex is not as bad as adultery…wrong.

Not sure of what you are asking….
Since the Bible does not require a wedding ceremony it is irrelevant. In no way does the wedding ceremony consummate or form the marriage. More or less a public display of the couples commitment and celebration.
 

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I'm not judging anyone or criticize anyone.

Fornication is to engage before marriage.

1 Corinthians chapter 5

A Christian in church congregation, was doing incest. And the church tolerance of it. Paul condenmed it. The Christian was to be excluded, untill he repents, and changes his ways.

This person did repent and learned from his sins. They accepted him back.

Now Reprobates commit fornication, as written in Romans chapter 1. These are habitual sinners, and won't repent. They don't care.

Fornication and list of sins corrupts the Heart. Christian people must face there sins, and get it taken of.

1 Corinthians chapter 6

Habitual sinners won't inherit kingdom of God. These are reprobates.

But you care. You made a mistake and I presume you repented.

We all sin and must repent. Christian people try not to sin. No one has license to sin.

Just repent and move on.

Peace.
 

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People think that casual sex is not as bad as adultery…wrong.
the version ive heard is that you are committing adultery with that womans future husband

In no way does the wedding ceremony consummate or form the marriage.
so what are the requirements for a couple to be considered married accordingly to the bible? it cant be having sex, as having sex "before marriage" (before having sex)

you understand? youre not allowed to have sex with someone before you have sex with them, because marrying someone is not allowed unless if youre married with them

That is in the country....in the city..
aha, i guess it makes sense, she didnt resist so she essentially consented.
 

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women that were not a virgins were considered damaged goods.
i agree, a western woman entering marriage without having had sex before has 80% chance of successful marriage, where just one guy before means 40%
thats quite significant. i tried my best for an amount of hours but there was zero studies, or results published in regards to the mans sexual past- my take is that, because we dont bond like women do so the results were so insignificant and mundane that they didnt bother publishing the results
 

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We all sin and must repent. Christian people try not to sin. No one has license to sin.
yes, whats important is to truly want to avoid sinning again and believing it was bad, understanding sin is real and sin is bad for a reason that some people may not grasp. a frustrating talk with my "christian" mother, she essentially told me to not take the bible seriously because she knows better and shes adored in heaven despite she doesnt live a christian life. christ!

Fornication is to engage before marriage.
yes. but what is this socalled marriage thing? how is it defined? the union between a man and woman, how is this union created?
logically speaking, it cannot be simply through having sex, as sex is what you cannot have before the marriage
 
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so what are the requirements for a couple to be considered married accordingly to the bible? it cant be having sex, as having sex "before marriage" (before having sex)

you understand? youre not allowed to have sex with someone before you have sex with them, because marrying someone is not allowed unless if youre married with them

I have already explained this.
There is no requirement in the Bible to have a wedding ceremony to be married.
The Jews bought their wives....no wedding and no word for Wedding.
The tradition of buying your wife carried on in Christianity for a while. But no wedding ceremony.
The first requirement for a wedding in Christianity to be married occurred in the 16th century.
But still the sexual union has always consummated the marriage.
If you keep saying the same thing over and over again I will copy and paste this post to you.
 
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yes, whats important is to truly want to avoid sinning again and believing it was bad, understanding sin is real and sin is bad for a reason that some people may not grasp. a frustrating talk with my "christian" mother, she essentially told me to not take the bible seriously because she knows better and shes adored in heaven despite she doesnt live a christian life. christ!


yes. but what is this socalled marriage thing? how is it defined? the union between a man and woman, how is this union created?
logically speaking, it cannot be simply through having sex, as sex is what you cannot have before the marriage
Hello brother.

It must be legal.
Hebrews chapter 13. Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulter and all the sexually immoral .

Those who we're heathen, ignorant of Gods word, didn't know any better when the individual converted to Christianity. So the Christian must repent and don't make it pattern. Don't do it again.

Those who know better, God will punish severely on judgement Day.

This was done out of ignorance.
Nothing wrong with sex. Its normal.

It must be legal. Getting married.

The heathen, and Reprobates commit fornication. They walk in the flesh,.
Key is to be led by the Spirit. Read Galatians chapter 5.

Word Fornication is is used in association with with heathen idols. Because much pagan worship involved sex in there rituals

1 Corinthians chapter 7:2. But since sexual immorality is occurring each man should have his own wife, and each woman with there own husband.

To overcome temptation or lust. Get married. Sex outside of marriage is fornication.

1 John 1:9 . If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just , and will forgive our sins. Again, no Christian has license to sin.

Colossians chapter 3. Put to death , therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature. Sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires, and greed, which is idolatry.

Again. Galatians chapter 5. Walking in the flesh leads to destruction. This habitual sinning.

Christian people are Holy people, Ephesians 5:3, and must try not to sin.

I documented and explained it.

If you still have trouble understanding. I suggest shepherds chapel on YouTube.

You can study Hebrews chapter 13 with pastor Murray.
Galatians chapter 5
1 Corinthians chapter 7
Corinthians chapter 6

I must move to other subjects.

Take care.
 

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To overcome temptation or lust. Get married. Sex outside of marriage is fornication.
yes, and having read deeply into this, it appears when we got engaged and i put ring on her finger- she became bethroted, and having sex after that causes consummation, it concludes the couple as married
so, apparently im married. its all good. we will be getting legally married soon but government takes time and you need a bunch of documentation, i will be taking her to speak to my priest next sunday and im sure he will agree to do some quick little ceremony just the 3 of us

i understand youre saying sex outside of marriage is not allowed, but with everything ive read- we are already married under god
 

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A similar situation back in Christ's day.
And the testimony of this woman caused many to believe in Him

7 A woman of Samaria came to draw water. Jesus said to her, “Give Me a drink.” 8 For His disciples had gone away into the city to buy food.

9 Then the woman of Samaria said to Him, “How is it that You, being a Jew, ask a drink from me, a Samaritan woman?” For Jews have no dealings with Samaritans.

10 Jesus answered and said to her, “If you knew the gift of God, and who it is who says to you, ‘Give Me a drink,’ you would have asked Him, and He would have given you living water.”

11 The woman said to Him, “Sir, You have nothing to draw with, and the well is deep. Where then do You get that living water? 12 Are You greater than our father Jacob, who gave us the well, and drank from it himself, as well as his sons and his livestock?”

13 Jesus answered and said to her, “Whoever drinks of this water will thirst again, 14 but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life.”

15 The woman said to Him, “Sir, give me this water, that I may not thirst, nor come here to draw.”

16 Jesus said to her, “Go, call your husband, and come here.”

17 The woman answered and said, “I have no husband.”

Jesus said to her, “You have well said, ‘I have no husband,’ 18 for you have had five husbands, and the one whom you now have is not your husband; in that you spoke truly.”

19 The woman said to Him, “Sir, I perceive that You are a prophet. 20 Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, and you Jews say that in Jerusalem is the place where one ought to worship.”

21 Jesus said to her, “Woman, believe Me, the hour is coming when you will neither on this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, worship the Father. 22 You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews. 23 But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. 24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

25 The woman said to Him, “I know that Messiah is coming” (who is called Christ). “When He comes, He will tell us all things.”

26 Jesus said to her, “I who speak to you am He.

The Whitened Harvest​

27 And at this point His disciples came, and they marveled that He talked with a woman; yet no one said, “What do You seek?” or, “Why are You talking with her?”

28 The woman then left her waterpot, went her way into the city, and said to the men, 29 “Come, see a Man who told me all things that I ever did. Could this be the Christ?” 30 Then they went out of the city and came to Him.

31 In the meantime His disciples urged Him, saying, “Rabbi, eat.”

32 But He said to them, “I have food to eat of which you do not know.”

33 Therefore the disciples said to one another, “Has anyone brought Him anything to eat?”

34 Jesus said to them, “My food is to do the will of Him who sent Me, and to finish His work. 35 Do you not say, ‘There are still four months and then comes the harvest’? Behold, I say to you, lift up your eyes and look at the fields, for they are already white for harvest! 36 And he who reaps receives wages, and gathers fruit for eternal life, that both he who sows and he who reaps may rejoice together. 37 For in this the saying is true: ‘One sows and another reaps.’ 38 I sent you to reap that for which you have not labored; others have labored, and you have entered into their labors.”

The Savior of the World​

39 And many of the Samaritans of that city believed in Him because of the word of the woman who testified, “He told me all that I ever did.” 40 So when the Samaritans had come to Him, they urged Him to stay with them; and He stayed there two days. 41 And many more believed because of His own word.

42 Then they said to the woman, “Now we believe, not because of what you said, for we ourselves have heard Him and we know that this is indeed [a]the Christ, the Savior of the world.”
 

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1 Corinthians 7​

Principles of Marriage​

1 Now concerning the things of which you wrote to me:

It is good for a man not to touch a woman. 2 Nevertheless, because of sexual immorality, let each man have his own wife, and let each woman have her own husband. 3 Let the husband render to his wife the affection due her, and likewise also the wife to her husband. 4 The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. And likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. 5 Do not deprive one another except with consent for a time, that you may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again so that Satan does not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. 6 But I say this as a concession, not as a commandment. 7 For I wish that all men were even as I myself. But each one has his own gift from God, one in this manner and another in that.

8 But I say to the unmarried and to the widows: It is good for them if they remain even as I am; 9 but if they cannot exercise self-control, let them marry. For it is better to marry than to burn with passion.
 
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