Rethinking God

[Brakelite]

"forever and ever"!

Hell will be filled with those who don't believe in Hell!

Those that "rethought" God, are those that created a place for their man made paradigm of natural immortality for man. Man cannot live for ever and ever in an eternally burning hell. For 2 reasons. First. Only God is immortal. Only the righteous receive immortality as a gift. Sinners die.
Second. It isn't in God's nature to burn people and inflict them with pain and suffering with no end. People who believe this of God, do not know Him, and place upon Him a character that belongs to Satan. We look upon earthly dictators with abhorrence of they torture their enemies. We look upon the papal church with horror when they attempt to justify the burning of heretics and the torture they encouraged in order to elicit confessions. The more horrifying the behaviour, the less we honour them. Yet you believe the ultimate good is for God to torture men, women, and children without end, in order to justify His own righteous indignation at evil. It is a disgusting and wicked misrepresentation of who God is. And is a misapplication, and an ignoring, of what the scriptures actually teach.
You dwell on one or two scriptures that seem to support your theories, but ignore the dozens that completely contradict them.

 

[Taken]

Does God love those He will burn in Hell FOREVER?

Revelation 20:10
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Jack ~
The devil “IS” a spirit…a fallen spirit.
Fallen spirits can not be destroyed.
Fallen spirits live forever.
Fallen spirits can NOT be forgiven.
Celestial spirits were “created” having the truth….AND freewill.
Celestial spirits were given great powers…to have the abilities to serve God and His creations in great ways.
The fate of a fallen spirit…IS eternal fire and eternal separation from God, and have their powers removed from them.

Humans are a body of flesh created and formed from dust of the earth, by the hand of God.
A humans bodily life is its blood.
A humans bodily so created, is then given from God…Gods Breath of Life…. A soul.
A human body, having Received A soul…
…Activates the body’s communication attributes;
Flesh to feel touch
Eyes to see
Ears to hear
Nose to smell
Tongue to taste
Mouth to utter sound
* as long as the human has Gods breath of Life…soul in it’s body…that body has communication abilities…
* when a human body dies, the soul, departs out of the dead body, and continues living with Gods breath of Life, where ever the soul IS………with God in Heaven….Or separated from God in Hell.

A naturally born human also HAS a “Natural spirit”…. A humans “Natural spirit”, is that humans “TRUTH” in his heart. (regardless of what that humans MIND thinks or believes).
A mans HEARTS thoughts…are simply that mans TRUE BELIEFS, without deception.
(A mans MIND can devise known falsehoods, lies, deception, peddle it as truths, while yet knowing in his Heart the Truth.)

The Lord God offered man…a WAY…to have his soul forgiven and saved FROM EVER being Separated From God.

The Lord God offered man…a WAY…to have his ‘natural spirit’ (born of a mans SEED)….having a TRUTH of mans truths…TO Become….BORN AGAIN of Gods SEED….and Become FED with Gods TRUTHS…by, through, of the POWER OF Gods “Spirit of Truth” dwelling within that man, FEEDING him continually on a diet of Gods TRUTHS.

When a man PHYSICALLY Dies…his life, his blood ceases to move along the body’s circulatory system, whereby the heart stops moving its blood, and that blood life dies….

* The Living soul, departs out of the body, continues living. (All sensory factors still functioning)…(feeling, seeing, hearing, etc.)

* The “natural spirit”…(body’s truth, NOT born again) ceases to live.

Regarding…an unsaved soul…it is sent to hell to be separated from God…experiencing discomfort…without relief…(Remember ON this earth…times could be difficult…and God promised IF a man was WITH HIM, He would “comfort them THROUGH hardships”….IN hell, the soul does not receive Gods COMFORT!

** That soul IS NOT in the LAKE OF FIRE…
That soul remains IN discomfort…UNTIL all has been fulfilled UPON the face of the earth.
And then Judgement…
And then Sentencing…
At Sentencing…the Breath of God, Gods Life in the soul, departs the soul, and returns to God…
***The lifeless dead body of that man….
***The natural spirit (truth) of that man…
***The lifeless dead soul of that man….
Are THEN thrown into the LAKE OF FIRE…
Burned, remembered no more.

It is created alive celestial fallen spirits that shall suffer forever alive Separated from God.

A human…body without life, a soul without life…knows, feels nothing, nor suffers eternally.

So, IF you are concerned or mad about men “suffering” burning forever in the Lake of Fire…
That does not occur. They can not suffer…they are VOID of any LIFE.

The Beast..is a corrupt governing system.
The Devil….is a Spirit
The False Prophet…is a Spirit

Remember…celestial spirits (created spirits), the Lord God who IS Spirit without beginning, (& even fallen celestial spirits) have the power to APPEAR AS HUMAN MEN…

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Jack]

Those that "rethought" God, are those that created a place for their man made paradigm of natural immortality for man. Man cannot live for ever and ever in an eternally burning hell. For 2 reasons. First. Only God is immortal. Only the righteous receive immortality as a gift. Sinners die.
Second. It isn't in God's nature to burn people and inflict them with pain and suffering with no end. People who believe this of God, do not know Him, and place upon Him a character that belongs to Satan. We look upon earthly dictators with abhorrence of they torture their enemies. We look upon the papal church with horror when they attempt to justify the burning of heretics and the torture they encouraged in order to elicit confessions. The more horrifying the behaviour, the less we honour them. Yet you believe the ultimate good is for God to torture men, women, and children without end, in order to justify His own righteous indignation at evil. It is a disgusting and wicked misrepresentation of who God is. And is a misapplication, and an ignoring, of what the scriptures actually teach.
You dwell on one or two scriptures that seem to support your theories, but ignore the dozens that completely contradict them.

Jesus said,"forever and ever"!

Hell will be filled with those who don't believe in Hell!

 

[Jack]

Jack ~
The devil “IS” a spirit…a fallen spirit.
Fallen spirits can not be destroyed.
Fallen spirits live forever.
Fallen spirits can NOT be forgiven.
Celestial spirits were “created” having the truth….AND freewill.
Celestial spirits were given great powers…to have the abilities to serve God and His creations in great ways.
The fate of a fallen spirit…IS eternal fire and eternal separation from God, and have their powers removed from them.

Humans are a body of flesh created and formed from dust of the earth, by the hand of God.
A humans bodily life is its blood.
A humans bodily so created, is then given from God…Gods Breath of Life…. A soul.
A human body, having Received A soul…
…Activates the body’s communication attributes;
Flesh to feel touch
Eyes to see
Ears to hear
Nose to smell
Tongue to taste
Mouth to utter sound
* as long as the human has Gods breath of Life…soul in it’s body…that body has communication abilities…
* when a human body dies, the soul, departs out of the dead body, and continues living with Gods breath of Life, where ever the soul IS………with God in Heaven….Or separated from God in Hell.

A naturally born human also HAS a “Natural spirit”…. A humans “Natural spirit”, is that humans “TRUTH” in his heart. (regardless of what that humans MIND thinks or believes).
A mans HEARTS thoughts…are simply that mans TRUE BELIEFS, without deception.
(A mans MIND can devise known falsehoods, lies, deception, peddle it as truths, while yet knowing in his Heart the Truth.)

The Lord God offered man…a WAY…to have his soul forgiven and saved FROM EVER being Separated From God.

The Lord God offered man…a WAY…to have his ‘natural spirit’ (born of a mans SEED)….having a TRUTH of mans truths…TO Become….BORN AGAIN of Gods SEED….and Become FED with Gods TRUTHS…by, through, of the POWER OF Gods “Spirit of Truth” dwelling within that man, FEEDING him continually on a diet of Gods TRUTHS.

When a man PHYSICALLY Dies…his life, his blood ceases to move along the body’s circulatory system, whereby the heart stops moving its blood, and that blood life dies….

* The Living soul, departs out of the body, continues living. (All sensory factors still functioning)…(feeling, seeing, hearing, etc.)

* The “natural spirit”…(body’s truth, NOT born again) ceases to live.

Regarding…an unsaved soul…it is sent to hell to be separated from God…experiencing discomfort…without relief…(Remember ON this earth…times could be difficult…and God promised IF a man was WITH HIM, He would “comfort them THROUGH hardships”….IN hell, the soul does not receive Gods COMFORT!

** That soul IS NOT in the LAKE OF FIRE…
That soul remains IN discomfort…UNTIL all has been fulfilled UPON the face of the earth.
And then Judgement…
And then Sentencing…
At Sentencing…the Breath of God, Gods Life in the soul, departs the soul, and returns to God…
***The lifeless dead body of that man….
***The natural spirit (truth) of that man…
***The lifeless dead soul of that man….
Are THEN thrown into the LAKE OF FIRE…
Burned, remembered no more.

It is created alive celestial fallen spirits that shall suffer forever alive Separated from God.

A human…body without life, a soul without life…knows, feels nothing, nor suffers eternally.

So, IF you are concerned or mad about men “suffering” burning forever in the Lake of Fire…
That does not occur. They can not suffer…they are VOID of any LIFE.

The Beast..is a corrupt governing system.
The Devil….is a Spirit
The False Prophet…is a Spirit

Remember…celestial spirits (created spirits), the Lord God who IS Spirit without beginning, (& even fallen celestial spirits) have the power to APPEAR AS HUMAN MEN…

Glory to God,
Taken

And Jesus said humans will suffer the exact same fate as Satan.

Matthew 25:41
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

 

[ThePuffyBlob]

I wouldn't say that God is okay with it. It's apparent that the world\universe are broken. Death, sickness, and suffering were never part of God's design; they were introduced at the fall, both Satan's and Adam's. We are simply living with the consequences of their free-willed decision to rebel against God. It's cause and effect in action. We are promised a restoration to all things, but it's a long, drawn-out process.

So you're saying that God is not perfect and that He also makes mistakes? I don't think so...

 

[Taken]

And Jesus said humans will suffer the exact same fate as Satan.

Matthew 25:41
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

A human’s non-glorified lifeless body and non-restored lifeless soul shall end up in the same “PLACE” as an Un-holy demonic spirit…
However the key word “SUFFER”….only applies to an Un-holy demonic spirit.

Because…
A non-LIVING human is DEAD, without Life, Knows, Feels, NOTHING…in the lake of fire. (no suffering).

Because…
A created spirit….CAN NOT DIE….thus does “SUFFER” in the lake of fire.

A spirit is MADE “having the truth”… but (some) spirits choose to reject the truth.
(Their fate is SUFFERING in the “lake of fire”., forever separated from God.)

A human is Created and Made “without the Truth”….Rather having the offering to have the truth, and ability to receive the truth, IF they so choose.

IF they reject receiving the truth…..

God IS JUST, and will reject GIVING them the truth….(the TRUTH…the SEED of God) which IS the means by which A natural spirit (truth) of man, BECOMES born again of a supernatural spirit (truth) of God.

Thus…that human will NOT have…a living body, a living soul, nor living spirit….that would EXPERIENCE, KNOWING, or FEELING the SUFFERING being separated from God…or the burning flames in the “lake of fire”.

Fallen spirits…”WITH” life in the lake of fire…suffering…..YES

Human…body, soul, spirit “WITHOUT” life in the lake of fire…suffering….NO

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Jericho]

So you're saying that God is not perfect and that He also makes mistakes? I don't think so...

No, I'm not saying that all. How did you draw that conclusion?

 

[Jack]

A human’s non-glorified lifeless body and non-restored lifeless soul shall end up in the same “PLACE” as an Un-holy demonic spirit…
However the key word “SUFFER”….only applies to an Un-holy demonic spirit.

Because…
A non-LIVING human is DEAD, without Life, Knows, Feels, NOTHING…in the lake of fire. (no suffering).

Because…
A created spirit….CAN NOT DIE….thus does “SUFFER” in the lake of fire.

A spirit is MADE “having the truth”… but (some) spirits choose to reject the truth.
(Their fate is SUFFERING in the “lake of fire”., forever separated from God.)

A human is Created and Made “without the Truth”….Rather having the offering to have the truth, and ability to receive the truth, IF they so choose.

IF they reject receiving the truth…..

God IS JUST, and will reject GIVING them the truth….(the TRUTH…the SEED of God) which IS the means by which A natural spirit (truth) of man, BECOMES born again of a supernatural spirit (truth) of God.

Thus…that human will NOT have…a living body, a living soul, nor living spirit….that would EXPERIENCE, KNOWING, or FEELING the SUFFERING being separated from God…or the burning flames in the “lake of fire”.

Fallen spirits…”WITH” life in the lake of fire…suffering…..YES

Human…body, soul, spirit “WITHOUT” life in the lake of fire…suffering….NO

Glory to God,
Taken

You have lots of opinions there but no Bible. Jesus said humans will suffer the exact same fate as the Devil.

Matthew 25:41
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Revelation 20:10
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

 

[Taken]

You have lots of opinions there but no Bible. Jesus said humans will suffer the exact same fate as the Devil.

Matthew 25:41
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Revelation 20:10
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

If you believe a lifeless body and lifeless soul shall be tormented forever and ever…. That is your opinion.
A human man is not a spirit.
Celestial beings Are spirits and can not die.

Ecc 9:
[5] For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

Matt 10:
[28] And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

 

[Jack]

If you believe a lifeless body and lifeless soul shall be tormented forever and ever…. That is your opinion.

No, it's Jesus' Word!

Luke 16
19 The rich man also died and was buried. 23 And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 24 Then he cried and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.' 25 But Abraham said, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented.

A human man is not a spirit.
Celestial beings Are spirits and can not die.

Ecc 9:
[5] For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

Matt 10:
[28] And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Doesn't overrule Jesus!

 

[Taken]

No, it's Jesus' Word!

Luke 16
19 The rich man also died and was buried. 23 And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 24 Then he cried and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.' 25 But Abraham said, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented.

Doesn't overrule Jesus!

Hades, Hell, which ever language you prefer, is not the Lake of fire.
Hell is a temporary PLACE….it eventually is thrown into the Lake of fire.

Life IS Permanent for spirits, regardless of where they are.

Life of man is Temporary….UNLESS he is Saved and quickened by the Lord God.

A mans Life that is not saved…is made DEAD….and the vessel that held that life…
Destroyed and Forgotten.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Jack]

Hades, Hell, which ever language you prefer, is not the Lake of fire.
Hell is a temporary PLACE….it eventually is thrown into the Lake of fire.

Life IS Permanent for spirits, regardless of where they are.

Life of man is Temporary….UNLESS he is Saved and quickened by the Lord God.

A mans Life that is not saved…is made DEAD….and the vessel that held that life…
Destroyed and Forgotten.

Glory to God,
Taken

No it's not "temporary"! No proof at all! BILLIONS will wish it's only temporary, including those who convince others that there is no everlasting Hell fire! Jesus said it's EVERLASTING! Using the exact same Greek word and EVERLASTING life! Don't you believe in everlasting life?

 

[Taken]

No it's not "temporary"! No proof at all! BILLIONS will wish it's only temporary, including those who convince others that there is no everlasting Hell fire! Jesus said it's EVERLASTING! Using the exact same Greek word and EVERLASTING life! Don't you believe in everlasting life?

I said:
Hell is a temporary PLACE….it eventually is thrown into the Lake of fire.

Scripture says….
Rev 20:
[14] And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Hell and the Lake of Fire are not the same….
PLACE.

 

[Jack]

I said:
Hell is a temporary PLACE….it eventually is thrown into the Lake of fire.

Doesn't mean the fire ceases to exist. Jesus called it Hell FIRE.

Scripture says….
Rev 20:
[14] And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Death NEVER means a person ceases to exist in the Bible.

Hell and the Lake of Fire are not the same….
PLACE.

So you think those in the fire are going to discuss the name of the place they will spend eternity?

Satan LOVES it when his messengers convince people that there is no everlasting fire!

 

[Taken]

Doesn't mean the fire ceases to exist. Jesus called it Hell FIRE.

Never said Fire ceases to exist.
There is Fire in Hell.
There is Fire in the Lake of Fire.

Death NEVER means a person ceases to exist in the Bible.

Man IS a body….it’s Life is Blood.

Soul IS a gift the Lord has MADE…it’s Life is Gods Breath.

A Person IS a body, with a soul IN it.

A “person” ceases to exist when the Living SOUL departs out of A DEAD body.

( A dead body of a human is no longer called a person, rather called…a cadaver, the deceased, the departed, etc.)

A dead body is buried, returns to dust.
A departed living soul…saved…goes to heaven…experiences peace…while waiting for judgement day.

A departed living soul….unsaved…goes to hell…experiences turmoil…while waiting for judgement day.

So you think those in the fire are going to discuss the name of the place they will spend eternity?

Those in the Temporary ‘turmoils’ of Hell…Are unsaved living souls….likely discussing their “WANTING” death of their soul to come quickly.

Satan LOVES it when his messengers convince people that there is no everlasting fire!

I don’t know of ANYONE claiming there is no everlasting Fire…
It’s quite Clear the Lake of Fire is a LASTING PLACE for the disposal PLACE for Death, Hell, anti-Christs, Corrupt Organizations and Corrupt Governments…

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Jack]

Never said Fire ceases to exist.
There is Fire in Hell.
There is Fire in the Lake of Fire.

Good, because it doesn't. And neither do people!

Man IS a body….it’s Life is Blood.

Soul IS a gift the Lord has MADE…it’s Life is Gods Breath.

A Person IS a body, with a soul IN it.

A “person” ceases to exist when the Living SOUL departs out of A DEAD body.

( A dead body of a human is no longer called a person, rather called…a cadaver, the deceased, the departed, etc.)

A dead body is buried, returns to dust.
A departed living soul…saved…goes to heaven…experiences peace…while waiting for judgement day.

A departed living soul….unsaved…goes to hell…experiences turmoil…while waiting for judgement day.

Those in the Temporary ‘turmoils’ of Hell…Are unsaved living souls….likely discussing their “WANTING” death of their soul to come quickly.

I don’t know of ANYONE claiming there is no everlasting Fire…
It’s quite Clear the Lake of Fire is a LASTING PLACE for the disposal PLACE for Death, Hell, anti-Christs, Corrupt Organizations and Corrupt Governments…

Glory to God,
Taken

And Jesus said they will be tormented in the fire FOREVER! And no doubt those who convince people otherwise!

 

[Taken]

Good, because it doesn't. And neither do people!

And Jesus said they will be tormented in the fire FOREVER! And no doubt those who convince people otherwise!

* Men are temporarily tormented ON Earth.
* Unsaved living souls departed out of men are temporarily tormented in hell.
* Lifeless body’s of men are destroyed.
* Lifeless souls of men are destroyed.

Rev..20
[10] And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Torments forever in the Lake of Fire applies to ever living spirits.

Forever living spirits of men, applies to only men where were Faithful before their bodily death and become MADE saved by Giving their bodys unto death “FOR” the Lord God.

God IS JUST. Unsaved souls of men DO NOT RECEIVE forever living spirits.

Lifeless destroyed bodys of men,
Lifeless destroyed souls of men,
Non quickened spirits of men….
Know, feel nothing….
How is a wholly lifeless man tormented when torments is suffering that only an ALIVE thing can experience?

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Jack]

* Men are temporarily tormented ON Earth.
* Unsaved living souls departed out of men are temporarily tormented in hell.

Scripture please.

* Lifeless body’s of men are destroyed.
* Lifeless souls of men are destroyed.

Rev..20
[10] And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Torments forever in the Lake of Fire applies to ever living spirits.

So you agree that God does torment in fire FOREVER!

Forever living spirits of men, applies to only men where were Faithful before their bodily death and become MADE saved by Giving their bodys unto death “FOR” the Lord God.

God IS JUST. Unsaved souls of men DO NOT RECEIVE forever living spirits.

So you don't believe in eternal life?

Lifeless destroyed bodys of men,
Lifeless destroyed souls of men,
Non quickened spirits of men….
Know, feel nothing….
How is a wholly lifeless man tormented when torments is suffering that only an ALIVE thing can experience?

Glory to God,
Taken

Then why did Jesus warn us several times of the punishment in the EVERLASTING Fire???

 

[Taken]

Scripture please.

* Men are temporarily tormented ON Earth.
* Unsaved living souls departed out of men are temporarily tormented in hell.

* It is a study…but briefly…
John 16:33…tribulations in this world.
* All souls depart out of dead bodies…
Gen 35: 18 woman bodily dead, soul departs
1 Kings 17: 17-23 boy dead, soul departed
Luke 16: 22-23 man dead, soul speaking

Body’s die, buried, souls depart…saved? In comfort…unsaved? In hell, flames, torments.
Luke 16: 22: 31

] So you agree that God does torment in fire FOREVER!

I stated what I believe…
Yes there is FIRE and Torments IN Hell, that unsaved departed living souls SHALL Experience….TEMPORARILY!

AFtER Jesus 1,000 year reign…JUDGEMENT OCCURS…

ON JUDGEMENT DAY…
All mens living souls return to their body’s…
Their body’s with the LIFE of the soul IN it…
Stands before the JUDGE, receive their JUDGEMENT…
* FOR THE INDIVIDUAL man with…an Unsaved soul…and Unchanged body and NON- quickened spirit …. Life of his soul, returns to God….
There is no life in his BODY…
There is no life in his SOUL…
His body and soul IS DESTROYED by being thrown INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE…and he remembered not more…

Now … Have you EVER seen a lifeless DEAD body? It feels, hears, says, knows NOTHING.
It is commonly autopsied…cut, without feeling suffering, pain. It is commonly buried in dirt, not crying out in suffering or pain. It is commonly cremated, becoming ash, and not crying out in suffering or pain.

Why, How would a lifeless body and lifeless soul…suffer pain torments FOREVER?
It doesn’t! It being tossed INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE ISN’T for it to Experience eternal Torments….rather it is tossed into the Lake of Fire to be DESTROYED, burned, become ASH and forgotten.

So you don't believe in eternal life?

So you do not LISTEN…?
I did not say that.
* SPIRITS…God Created live FOREVER
(Primarily called ANGELS…or Celestial beings)
* SPIRITS….born of Gods SEED live FOREVER
(Primarily called manKIND…or terrestrial beings that BODILY DIED having Pledged their dead body as a TOKEN of their TRUE WORD of Belief IN the Lord God).

Then why did Jesus warn us several times of the punishment in the Fire???

Because HELL exists…and UNSAVED souls of men…From the beginning…6 thousand years ago…have been born, died, body’s buried, living unsaved souls (temporary) IN HELL….and will REMAIN there through Jesus’ 1,000 year reign ON Earth….UNTIL JUDGEMENT DAY….then Judged…then Sentenced…then DESTROYED…

So every Unsaved soul WILL (temporarily) experience aT LeAsT 1,000 years IN torments IN Hell…and others Longer…..BEFORE THEIR body and soul IS DESTROYED in the Lake of Fire….and the END of THEIR torments…..and memory OF them.

The UNFAITHFUL spirits …. Who can NOT die, shall forever burn in the Lake of Fire….with NO option of Escape…and MEMORY “OF” them …WILL be remembered…

who, what, when, why, where….is paramount regarding specific beings…whether Celestials’ who ARE spirits or Terrestrials’ mankind who may or may not HAVE a spirit born of Gods seed

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Jack]

* Men are temporarily tormented ON Earth.

Of course this life is temporary. Doesn't mean the next life is!

* Unsaved living souls departed out of men are temporarily tormented in hell.

Where does the Bible say Hell is temporary?

* It is a study…but briefly…
John 16:33…tribulations in this world.
* All souls depart out of dead bodies…
Gen 35: 18 woman bodily dead, soul departs
1 Kings 17: 17-23 boy dead, soul departed
Luke 16: 22-23 man dead, soul speaking

Body’s die, buried, souls depart…saved? In comfort…unsaved? In hell, flames, torments.
Luke 16: 22: 31

Doesn't prove Hell is temporary at all!

I stated what I believe…
Yes there is FIRE and Torments IN Hell, that unsaved departed living souls SHALL Experience….TEMPORARILY!

And contrary to what Jesus said that's your unBiblical opinion. Jesus made it clear, EVERLASTING!

AFtER Jesus 1,000 year reign…JUDGEMENT OCCURS…

ON JUDGEMENT DAY…
All mens living souls return to their body’s…
Their body’s with the LIFE of the soul IN it…
Stands before the JUDGE, receive their JUDGEMENT…
* FOR THE INDIVIDUAL man with…an Unsaved soul…and Unchanged body and NON- quickened spirit …. Life of his soul, returns to God….
There is no life in his BODY…
There is no life in his SOUL…
His body and soul IS DESTROYED by being thrown INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE…and he remembered not more…

Now … Have you EVER seen a lifeless DEAD body? It feels, hears, says, knows NOTHING.
It is commonly autopsied…cut, without feeling suffering, pain. It is commonly buried in dirt, not crying out in suffering or pain. It is commonly cremated, becoming ash, and not crying out in suffering or pain.

Why, How would a lifeless body and lifeless soul…suffer pain torments FOREVER?
It doesn’t! It being tossed INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE ISN’T for it to Experience eternal Torments….rather it is tossed into the Lake of Fire to be DESTROYED, burned, become ASH and forgotten.

So you do not LISTEN…?
I did not say that.
* SPIRITS…God Created live FOREVER
(Primarily called ANGELS…or Celestial beings)
* SPIRITS….born of Gods SEED live FOREVER
(Primarily called manKIND…or terrestrial beings that BODILY DIED having Pledged their dead body as a TOKEN of their TRUE WORD of Belief IN the Lord God).

Because HELL exists…and UNSAVED souls of men…From the beginning…6 thousand years ago…have been born, died, body’s buried, living unsaved souls (temporary) IN HELL….and will REMAIN there through Jesus’ 1,000 year reign ON Earth….UNTIL JUDGEMENT DAY….then Judged…then Sentenced…then DESTROYED…

So every Unsaved soul WILL (temporarily) experience aT LeAsT 1,000 years IN torments IN Hell…and others Longer…..BEFORE THEIR body and soul IS DESTROYED in the Lake of Fire….and the END of THEIR torments…..and memory OF them.

The UNFAITHFUL spirits …. Who can NOT die, shall forever burn in the Lake of Fire….with NO option of Escape…and MEMORY “OF” them …WILL be remembered…

who, what, when, why, where….is paramount regarding specific beings…whether Celestials’ who ARE spirits or Terrestrials’ mankind who may or may not HAVE a spirit born of Gods seed

Glory to God,
Taken

You have lots of unBiblical opinions. We can't say Jesus didn't warn us several times!

The rich man died but was very much alive in the fire TORMENTED!

Luke 16
19 The rich man also died and was buried. 23 And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 24 Then he cried and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.' 25 But Abraham said, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented.