The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.
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Consider that the animals in the ark represent "beast" men being saved and made clean. As per Peter's vision of the unclean animals, the bible interpreting itself.
(Just as an aside - "As it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be at the coming of the Son of man"...think we can expect a harvest of souls.....a remnant of souls saved out from among all the "beasts" of the world. Agrees with Jesus saying those who were invited would not come to the wedding feast, so He sent His servants out into the highways and byways to invite those who would.)
Entrance. Note: Or, "opening," paithach: the Scriptures give satisfactory light to the mind upon every subject of which they treat; and speedily communicate more useful knowledge to the simplest believer, upon the most important topics, than the acutest philosophers have been able to develop through successive ages. *Psa_119:98-100; *Psa_119:105, Psa_43:3, Deu_11:18, Pro_6:23, **Isa_8:20, Eze_2:8, Luk_1:77-79; *Luk_24:45, Act_8:27-35; *Act_26:18, **Rom_10:17, *2Co_4:4; 2Co_4:6, *Eph_5:13; Eph_5:14, Php_2:15-16, **2Pe_1:19, Rev_1:3.
Psa_119:130 — “it giveth understanding unto the simple” - Word Study on “simple” - Gesenius says the Hebrew word “simple” (פְּתִי) (H6612) means, “simplicity, folly, and used concretely, it means, “a silly person, one easily persuaded and enticed.” Strong says it means, “silly (i.e., seducible), foolish, simple.” Holladay says it means, “A young, naïve person, easily deceived.” Webster says the word “simple” means, “a. uneducated, ignorant, showing little sense or reasoning, or easily misled on deceived, stupid or foolish. b. pure, unadulterated, innocent, without guile or deceit.
Psa_119:130 — Comments - NASB, “The unfolding of thy words gives light.” RSV, “It imparts understanding to the simple”
Psa_119:130 — Comments - There are five sense gates in man’s body by which all information has entrance; the eyes, ears, nose, mouth and touch. The knowledge of God’s Word enters man primarily through the eyes and ears. In other words, we hear God’s Word being spoken and we see God’s divine principles taking place before our very eyes.
Psa_119:130 — Scripture References - Note a similar verse:
Psa_19:7, “The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.”
Psa_119:131 I opened my mouth, and panted: for I longed for thy commandments.
Psa_119:137-144 — Section 18 (Tzaddi) – Psa_119:137-144 begins each verse with a word that begins with “tzaddi” (צ), the eighteenth letter of the Hebrew alphabet.
Psa_119:144 The righteousness of thy testimonies is everlasting: give me understanding, and I shall live.
Psa_119:145-152 — Section 19 (Koph) – Psa_119:145-152 begins each verse with a word that begins with “koph” (ק), the nineteenth letter of the Hebrew alphabet.
Psa_119:145 KOPH. I cried with my whole heart; hear me, O LORD: I will keep thy statutes.
Psa_119:153-160 — Section 20 (Resh) – Psa_119:153-160 begins each verse with a word that begins with “resh” (ר), the twentieth letter of the Hebrew alphabet.
Psa_119:161-168 — Section 21 (Schin) – Psa_119:161-168 begins each verse with a word that begins with “schin” (ש), the twenty-first letter of the Hebrew alphabet.
Psa_119:161 SCHIN. Princes have persecuted me without a cause: but my heart standeth in awe of thy word.
Psa_119:169-176 — Section 22 (Tau) – Psa_119:169-176 begins each verse with a word that begins with “tau” (ת), the twenty-second letter of the Hebrew alphabet.
Just checking.
Deuteronomy 30:14 (NKJV):
"But the word is very near you, in your mouth and in your heart, that you may do it."
Isaiah 55:3 (NKJV):
"Incline your ear, and come to Me. Hear, and your soul shall live; And I will make an everlasting covenant with you—The sure mercies of David."
Nehemiah 8:8 (NKJV):
"So they read distinctly from the book, in the Law of God; and they gave the sense, and helped them to understand the reading."
Psalm 119:130 (NKJV):
"The entrance of Your words gives light; It gives understanding to the simple."
New Testament:
Romans 10:17 (NKJV):
"So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."
John 5:24 (NKJV):
"Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life."
Acts 10:44 (NKJV):
"While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who heard the word."
Galatians 3:2 (NKJV):
"This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?"
1 Thessalonians 2:13 (NKJV):
"For this reason we also thank God without ceasing, because when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you welcomed it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which also effectively works in you who believe."
J.
I'm not sure what you are trying to say brother. It has always been by faith......faith has always been necessary (faith not of anyone's own but is of the Spirit). It has always really been about a remnant....the new testament reveals that and commends those OT saints who had faith.....the seed of Abraham to whom the promises apply are/were people of faith.
I don't know whether you understand where it says that the carnal mind is enmity with God....? The carnal mind is of the flesh, fleshly. That is why we are not to lean on our own understanding......but in all our ways acknowledge GOD. What does that mean?
Ok, yes. I do believe you're agreeing with me.
I've had the experience of believing I was doing some work for God, but ran into problems the same old way....
with humans. This will be coming up again sometime soon but we'll see how it goes. I believe I'm going to have to withdraw a little -
don't have the energy for this stuff that I used to.
Some prayer for me wouldn't hurt.
The prayer of a righteous man availeth much...
Don’t distance yourself too much. I think many complications and disagreements arise because there is a lot of philosophical reasoning, biases, and assumptions about the Scriptures, often involving worldly terminology where it may not be appropriate.
As I will keep you up in my prayers please reciprocate as I am tired myself.
God bless you and family.
Johann.
Yes, think I agree with this -the carnal mind is useful in practical ways, but not to rely on for spiritual understanding. It cannot perceive/discern the things of God and will lead us astray if that is what we are relying on instead of the mind of Christ (His spiritual mind, so to speak) to grasp spiritual truths.
'But God hath chosen
.. the foolish things of the world
.... to confound the wise;
...... and God hath chosen the weak things of the world
........ to confound the things which are mighty;
.......... And base things of the world,
............ and things which are despised,
.............. hath God chosen,
................ yea, and things which are not,
.................. to bring to nought things that are:
.................... That no flesh should glory in His presence.
But of Him are ye in Christ Jesus,
.. Who of God is made unto us
.... wisdom, and
...... righteousness, and
........ sanctification, and
.......... redemption:
............ That, according as it is written,
.............. He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.'
(1Cor.1:27-31)
.. the foolish things of the world
.... to confound the wise;
...... and God hath chosen the weak things of the world
........ to confound the things which are mighty;
.......... And base things of the world,
............ and things which are despised,
.............. hath God chosen,
................ yea, and things which are not,
.................. to bring to nought things that are:
.................... That no flesh should glory in His presence.
But of Him are ye in Christ Jesus,
.. Who of God is made unto us
.... wisdom, and
...... righteousness, and
........ sanctification, and
.......... redemption:
............ That, according as it is written,
.............. He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.'
(1Cor.1:27-31)
Hmm no I don't see them as such. They were mixed animals, clean and unclean.
It also says will He find faith upon the earth when He returns? That does not sound like a harvest to me. I think there will be a surge into some churches, but not for the right reason. The stage draws them in and not the pulpit.
Yes, the seed placed within her and the growth until the birth. That comes at the end of the process, and not the beginning however. Christ formed within us is the beginning.
I believe this is a question that should be answered Scripturally, and Scripturally, the first answer is correct. If later commentators come to some different conclusion, they should not be paid attention to.
Much love!
I just got off Facebook where a very irritable "friend" was accusing me of not being able to grasp spiritual things. He’s Charismatic/Pentecostal and insulted me for not attending church or tithing, claiming that means I’m not born again. I’m deeply fed up with encountering this type of negativity online. It’s really frustrating and I'm sick to the core of this type of "judgement" from people I don't even know.
@GodsGrace is correct--we are not suppose to fight against flesh and blood but that is what's going on here, repetitively, with all the misunderstanding and miscommunications because some here are eisegeting Scriptures with high oratory and philosophizing and when you present them with the Scriptures it's "foreign" to them.
I hope I answer your question satisfactorily and have noticed the "I think"
For me "I think" is not enough and would search the Scriptures more accurately, like a Berean.
Off to gym.
J.
There is more to understand with that.....interesting that God was calling them clean or unclean long before the Law was given.
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John 1:12-13 (NKJV):
"But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God."
Receive and Believe:
The passage clearly states that those who "receive" and "believe" in Jesus are given the right to become children of God. The Greek word for "receive" is "λαμβάνω" (lambano), which means to take or accept. "Believe" comes from "πιστεύω" (pisteuo), meaning to trust or have faith in.
Born of God:
Verse 13 immediately follows, stating that those who receive and believe are "born of God." The phrase "born of God" uses the Greek term "γεννάω" (gennao), meaning to beget or give birth. This birth is not of human origin but directly from God.
Is There an Intermediary Step?
The text does not mention any intermediary steps between receiving/believing in Jesus and being born of God. Instead, it presents the process as a direct consequence: those who receive and believe are given the right to become children of God, indicating that the new birth (rebirth) is an immediate result of genuine faith in Jesus.
Other Scriptural Support:
John 3:3-6 (NKJV):
"Jesus answered and said to him, 'Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.' Nicodemus said to Him, 'How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?' Jesus answered, 'Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.'"
Here, Jesus teaches that the new birth is a work of the Holy Spirit. He does not introduce additional human actions as prerequisites beyond faith.
Ephesians 2:8-9 (NKJV):
"For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast."
Salvation, which includes the new birth, is described as a gift from God, received through faith, with no additional requirements.
According to Scripture, the new birth or being "born of God" happens as a direct result of receiving and believing in Jesus. There is no intermediary step or additional requirement mentioned in the text between believing in Jesus and being born of God. The process is initiated and completed by God’s grace through faith, with the Holy Spirit bringing about this new birth in the believer's life.
You have discernment brother @marks and a stickler to stay with what stands written and debunk unnecessary additional info outside Scripture.
J.
