Poll: Do we worship the God of the old covenant?

[Carl Emerson]

It wasn't until 26 that my search began. The Gospel of Christ, is the power of Yahavah unto salvation, deliverance from a formerly once lived life in faithlessness.

Blessing bro. Carl.

Hey Matt...

A few months ago a member here on the forum send me a photo of my country New Zealand, that his neighbour took.

That photo was exactly the spot where I gave my life to Jesus !!!!!

This was an awesome so called co-incidence - I lay down on the gravel alone on the lake edge and asked Him to take over - as I did this I heard footsteps coming towards me on the gravel but when I looked up there was no one there - but He has been with me ever since.

It wasn't until 26 that my search began. The Gospel of Christ, is the power of Yahavah unto salvation, deliverance from a formerly once lived life in faithlessness.

Blessing bro. Carl.

How did it start ?

 

[MatthewG]

Hey Matt...

A few months ago a member here on the forum send me a photo of my country New Zealand, that his neighbour took.

That photo was exactly the spot where I gave my life to Jesus !!!!!

That's wonderful that you even did that. That's where the heart starts to change, though our flesh stays the same, the heart is more motivated towards the things which are of the Holy spirit, and Spirit of Christ. That's the decision everyone must make.

This was an awesome so called co-incidence - I lay down on the gravel alone on the lake edge and asked Him to take over - as I did this I heard footsteps coming towards me on the gravel but when I looked up there was no one there - but He has been with me ever since.


How did it start ?

A realizing that my heart was no good. I only ever heard of Jesus healing.

 

[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:
Hopefully you understand that we can only view Jesus as from the beginning retrospectively.
He was not ACTUALLY "Jesus" until the Word/Logos became flesh. Prior to that he was STILL the Logos of God. (which was God)

Heb 1
1 God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, 2 in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom He also made the world.

I don't question that the part of the godhead that we call Jesus now was part of the godhead as the Word/Logos of God in the beginning.
But Jesus was not his name. When the Word (Logos) became flesh, then he was called Jesus. (John 1:14)

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[Lambano]

I don't question that the part of the godhead that we call Jesus now was part of the godhead as the Word/Logos of God in the beginning.
But Jesus was not his name. When the Word (Logos) became flesh, then he was called Jesus.

Until then, He just answered to, "Hey, You!"

 

[Carl Emerson]

That's wonderful that you even did that. That's where the heart starts to change, though our flesh stays the same, the heart is more motivated towards the things which are of the Holy spirit, and Spirit of Christ. That's the decision everyone must make.

Romans 8:13
for if you are living in accord with the flesh, you are going to die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live.

 

[Carl Emerson]

St. SteVen said:
Hopefully you understand that we can only view Jesus as from the beginning retrospectively.
He was not ACTUALLY "Jesus" until the Word/Logos became flesh. Prior to that he was STILL the Logos of God. (which was God)

I don't question that the part of the godhead that we call Jesus now was part of the godhead as the Word/Logos of God in the beginning.
But Jesus was not his name. When the Word (Logos) became flesh, then he was called Jesus. (John 1:14)

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Then how do you explain Jesus being given the Fathers Name in John 17 ?

It boils down to the fact that we worship the "God who saves" who's name in English is Jesus.

 

[MatthewG]

Romans 8:13
for if you are living in accord with the flesh, you are going to die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live.

Well tear this flesh off of me, yes I know. I can’t cover up my flaws, and only good that comes through comes from Yahavah, by the spirit within, I know those verses well so I don’t know if I’ll get to your age or not get there at all, but only time will tell.

Aren’t you glad for the heart change? It’s the greatest miracle to see.

I’m tired and wanna sleep.

 

[St. SteVen]

Until then, He just answered to, "Hey, You!"

LOL
That's an interesting and humorous observation.
I can't imagine God the Father being called "God the Father" before the birth of Christ.
Nor can I imagine God the Son being called "Jesus" (or even God the Son) before the birth of Christ.
The Word that became flesh was basically a plan when he was the Logos of God.
Is the Logos ever referred to as a person? (indeed, see below)

John 1:1-4 NIV
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was with God in the beginning.
3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind.

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[St. SteVen]

Then how do you explain Jesus being given the Fathers Name in John 17 ?

I don't think that's what it means. How's that for an explanation? - LOL

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[Carl Emerson]

I don't question that the part of the godhead that we call Jesus now was part of the godhead as the Word/Logos of God in the beginning.
But Jesus was not his name. When the Word (Logos) became flesh, then he was called Jesus. (John 1:14)

Proverbs 30:4
Who has ascended into heaven and descended? Who has gathered the wind in His fists? Who has wrapped the waters in His garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is His name or His Son’s name? Surely you know!

You seem to be claiming the Son didn't have a Name...

 

[MatthewG]

Joshua @Carl Emerson but Joshua’s God was Yahavah. Joshua proclaimed the name of his Father. Many say you’re supposed to worship Joshua not Yahavah, but Joshua said differently. Both them are still highly regarded in peoples faith.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Joshua @Carl Emerson but Joshua’s God was Yahavah. Joshua proclaimed the name of his Father. Many say you’re supposed to worship Joshua not Yahavah, but Joshua said differently. Both them are still highly regarded in peoples faith.

Jesus was given the Father's Name and it meant "the God Who Saves" - I understand this to mean Yehoshua.

Yehoshua is derived from yeho (meaning God) and shua (meaning to deliver or save)

This name is commonly given the modern rendering Yeshua in Hebrew, or Jesus in English.

 

[MatthewG]

Jesus was given the Father's Name and it meant "the God Who Saves" - I understand this to mean Yehoshua.

Yehoshua is derived from yeho (meaning God) and shua (meaning to deliver or save)

I figured you knew Yeshua and Joshua are the same. Let me suggest this thread, cause I’ve taken time to do my own study. Who is the Word of God, the Word of Life?

I never read that Jesus received his father’s name sorry. I believe that’s a misunderstanding or something.

God is just a title. It’s not Gods name: YHVH Yahavah is the proper name of the “God” of Israel, who spoke and created all things through his spoken “word.” You could say even Word of Yahavah. Which when Yahavah speaks, his heart is made know through the Word which then, ah! Light there is. Yahavahs Word is the very intentions of himself, through speaking. Just as we have our words but they can only create life and death but not light.

@Carl Emerson you have a good night. I’m not gonna address it anymore x

 

[St. SteVen]

Proverbs 30:4
Who has ascended into heaven and descended? Who has gathered the wind in His fists? Who has wrapped the waters in His garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is His name or His Son’s name? Surely you know!

You seem to be claiming the Son didn't have a Name...

You seem to be claiming the Psalmist knew it.
Did the Psalmist know the name of the Son? In which verse is he named?

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[Carl Emerson]

I never read that Jesus received his father’s name sorry. I believe that’s a misunderstanding or something.

There you are - this is stated twice in John 17.

11 I am no longer going to be in the world; and yet they themselves are in the world, and I am coming to You. Holy Father, keep them in Your name, the name which You have given Me, so that they may be one just as We are. 12 While I was with them, I was keeping them in Your name, which You have given Me; and I guarded them, and not one of them perished except the son of destruction, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled.

 

[Carl Emerson]

You seem to be claiming the Psalmist knew it.
Did the Psalmist know the name of the Son? In which verse is he named?

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My point is - the Son had a Name way before Jesus was born, and I am sure it wasn't Logos...

My guess is that it was Yehoshua. The God who Saves.

 

[MatthewG]

There you are - this is stated twice in John 17.

11 I am no longer going to be in the world; and yet they themselves are in the world, and I am coming to You. Holy Father, keep them in Your name, the name which You have given Me, so that they may be one just as We are. 12 While I was with them, I was keeping them in Your name, which You have given Me; and I guarded them, and not one of them perished except the son of destruction, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled.

My point is the Son had a Name way before Jesus was born.

That name would be "The Word of Yahavah." I guess... Right?

Revelation 19:13 KJV: And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.


Cause I continue to follow what Jesus taught,

John 17:…25Righteous Father, although the world has not known You, I know You, and they know that You sent Me. 26 And I have made Your name known to them and will continue to make it known, so that the love You have for Me may be in them, and I in them.”


So what's Jesus's Fathers name? It would be Yahavah. It wasn't Jesus... until becoming flesh. Also named Immaunel "God with us."


Does that help you understand why I choose to go about it the way I do? I do understand why you go about it the way you do. It has no reflection on salvation! Praise be @Carl Emerson

 

[Carl Emerson]

That name would be "The Word of Yahavah." I guess... Right?

Revelation 19:13 KJV: And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.


Cause I continue to follow what Jesus taught,

John 17:…25Righteous Father, although the world has not known You, I know You, and they know that You sent Me. 26 And I have made Your name known to them and will continue to make it known, so that the love You have for Me may be in them, and I in them.”


So what's Jesus's Fathers name? It would be Yahavah. It wasn't Jesus... until becoming flesh. Also named Immaunel "God with us."


Does that help you understand why I choose to go about it the way I do? I do understand why you go about it the way you do. It has no reflection on salvation! Praise be @Carl Emerson

Twice in John 17 Jesus stated He was given the Father's Name.

Something to think about.

You might also ponder on the fact that Jesus was given the Name above every Name in Heaven and on Earth. At the Name of Jesus every knee will bow.

 

[MatthewG]

Twice in John 17 Jesus stated He was given the Father's Name.

Something to think about.

But in the same breathe is proclaiming of making Yahavah name known.

That is something to think about too. Jesus had two names, apparently "The Word of Yahavah" or "The Word of God" and also "Immanuel, God with us." And he continued to make his Fathers name known.

Disregarding me is not a way to support me in my ventures of studying. It's very demeaning actually sir.

Have a good one.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Disregarding me

Excuse me - when did I do that?