Is demonic a unclean Spirit ? Can it posse a person ?

[CC7799]

2 Peter 2:17
These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest, to whom the midst of darkness is reserved forever.

Jude 1:12

These people are blemishes at your love feast , eating with you without the slightest qualm, shepherds who feed only themselves.

Matthew 12:43

When a impure Spirit comes out of person, it goes through and dry places seeking rest and does not find it. Then it says, I will return to the house I left.

Kathairo in Greek
In English - Demonic.
Strong concordance # 169

Anudros in Greek means - waterless, unclean.

Lot of movies made on Exorcist. Truth. They are exaggerated.

Demonic Spirit is very deceptive.

Without spiritual discernment, it goes undetected.

In 1970s. If I remember. Massachusetts. A Catholic Church did a exorcism on teenager at church. It was believed he was mentally ill.

Its known if the exorcism worked.
It was based on the movie Exorcist, linda Blair.

I personally experienced demonic possession form girl I once knew.

I converted to Christianity in 1999.
In 2004. The same woman, Catholic, Left message on answering machine. It was 5 minutes of vukgar and Hatred.

Half Way through, her voice changed to masculine voice.

At the end, she admits shes evil.

I was new convert in 2004. It scared the hell out of me !!

This Catholic woman wasn't Christian. She was possessed by demon.

Does anyone believe in demonic possession??

Have any personal experiences ??

 

[GodsGrace]

Goodness Stream...
Is there a reason why you're so obsessed with demonic possession?
It's not too good to be thinking of satan all the time.
Read Philippians 4:8 and make it a habit.
Finally, brethren, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is of good repute, if there is any excellence and if anything worthy of praise, dwell on these things.

 

[Wrangler]

Goodness Stream...
Is there a reason why you're so obsessed with demonic possession?

Great question.

Some confuse influence with possession. Seems in 1st century there were the possessed. Same as today.

 

[GodsGrace]

Great question.

Some confuse influence with possession. Seems in 1st century there were the possessed. Same as today.

Yes. Big difference.
I just think it's so unhealthy to think about this so much.

 

[MatthewG]

Fear can possess you?
Anger can possess you?
Greed can possess you?



Dark alluring things can grab your attention and hold you there corrupting your mind.

 

[Wrangler]

Yes. Big difference.
I just think it's so unhealthy to think about this so much.

1 question/thread. As long as we keep faith in Jesus.

 

[MatthewG]

Goodness Stream...
Is there a reason why you're so obsessed with demonic possession?
It's not too good to be thinking of satan all the time.
Read Philippians 4:8 and make it a habit.
Finally, brethren, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is of good repute, if there is any excellence and if anything worthy of praise, dwell on these things.

Hello GG,

Yes, but even our fears can possess us sometimes. While I agree with you it's a lot better to accept the fate of Satan being fulfilled today! Thinking he is roaming around now today does not any good, still possessions can take form just as much as a drug addict addicted to smoking, or snorting meth every day. That is a possession. I believe the more of the focus is on Yahavah, the victory of Christ, the more the darkness kind of goes away but while it seems hidden it's still lurking there, even in our own heart. Remember when Jesus talked about "how great is that darkness with in you." That's why the fire and holy spirit burns away that darkness the more looking and cleaving to the Light. Remember it's said that people love darkness because of their deeds were evil, and light burns.

Just felt like sharing, hope it adds something to consider but idk.

 

[GodsGrace]

Hello GG,

Yes, but even our fears can possess us sometimes. While I agree with you it's a lot better to accept the fate of Satan being fulfilled today! Thinking he is roaming around now today does not any good, still possessions can take form just as much as a drug addict addicted to smoking, or snorting meth every day. That is a possession.

I'd say that our fears can possess us and fear is definitly not from God, but from the evil forces.
I don't agree, however, that it does no good to think that satan is roaming around nowadays...
Satan is always roaming around seeking whom he will devour....just like God is still God,
then satan is still satan.

I do believe that actual possession from an evil agent is not only possible, but really does happen.
The Catholic Church doesn't have real exorcists just to waste time...persons can really be afflicted by this.

It might be important to denote the difference between FEAR being an evil feeling...
from actual possession. Maybe we could call real fear oppression, which is different, and which we could have some control over.
A person will not have control over possession.
Drug addiction, smoking is not a possession - it's an oppression.

I believe the more of the focus is on Yahavah, the victory of Christ, the more the darkness kind of goes away but while it seems hidden it's still lurking there, even in our own heart. Remember when Jesus talked about "how great is that darkness with in you." That's why the fire and holy spirit burns away that darkness the more looking and cleaving to the Light. Remember it's said that people love darkness because of their deeds were evil, and light burns.

Yes...this I definitely agree with.
A born again believer cannot be possessed, but only oppressed and God did give us the tools by which to fight this.
Cleaving to the light - agreed. This is the way to keep dark forces far from us.

Just felt like sharing, hope it adds something to consider but idk.

Well, we're here to share....
So this is what I know about the matter -
I distinguish between oppression and possession.
And I do keep to my statement in a post above that it's not a good idea to dwell on these matters.

 

[GodsGrace]

Great question.

Some confuse influence with possession. Seems in 1st century there were the possessed. Same as today.

See my post no. 8....
Do you distinguish between influence and oppression?

 

[Wrangler]

See my post no. 8....
Do you distinguish between influence and oppression?

Yes but not in the way you do. You are juxtaposing squares with the color orange. Oppression involves an oppressor, meaning another person, not an inanimate object.

We were comparing, juxtaposing influence to possession.

I distinguish between oppression and possession.

Not sure why you are diverging on this line of thinking. Going back to oppression involves an oppressor, related inanimate objects are said to be "a tool of oppression." Someone, some person, must still wield the tool.

Influence still allows for choice. Neither possession nor oppression allows for liberty, choice without penalty imposed on those who make choices their oppressor do not prefer. (Not the same as the natural consequences of me choosing to smoke and get throat cancer).

 

[GodsGrace]

Yes but not in the way you do. You are juxtaposing squares with the color orange. Oppression involves an oppressor, meaning another person, not an inanimate object.

Of course.
The oppressor is satan.

We were comparing, juxtaposing influence to possession.

I'll explain now why I don't believe influence and oppression is the same.

You could be INFUENCED by a number of things:
a person
an ideal
God
satan

Many INFLUENCES come into consideration when making any choice....
biblically speaking, I'd limit it to moral choices.

Romans 6:16 we are slaves to the one to whom we present ourselves.
And THAT PERSON/being will have the most influence in our decision.

OPPRESSION:
Satan can oppress us, for instance, fear can be an evil oppression if it's a strong fear.
I believe @MatthewG brought up fear and some other emotions.
However, it's an OUTSIDE power that can affect us.
Padre Pio's life story is interesting....he was oppressed by satan.
He was a very popular and loved priest (in Italy) that died in the '60s -- pretty close to our time.

Not sure why you are diverging on this line of thinking. Going back to oppression involves an oppressor, related inanimate objects are said to be "a tool of oppression." Someone, some person, must still wield the tool.

Influence still allows for choice. Neither possession nor oppression allows for liberty, choice without penalty imposed on those who make choices their oppressor do not prefer. (Not the same as the natural consequences of me choosing to smoke and get throat cancer).

Interesting.
Influence allows for choice, agreed.
Oppression also allows for choice - IF you agree with my definition.
Getting back to Padre Pio --- he always had CHOICE to ignore satan's attacks and not become overwhelmed by them (athough he could have).

I'd say that I agree that possession does NOT allow for choice.
Far from it...

 

[RedFan]

I'm curious to get people's take on God Himself sending an evil spirit, as in 1 Samuel 16:14-16.

 

[MatthewG]

I'm curious to get people's take on God Himself sending an evil spirit, as in 1 Samuel 16:14-16.

Hey that’s a great question. I remember reading and thinking about it and finding my answer, but it’s been so long ago I’m not sure how to answer it currently.

 

[GodsGrace]

I'm curious to get people's take on God Himself sending an evil spirit, as in 1 Samuel 16:14-16.

Unless you're reformed,, you won't believe God sends evil spirits.
This is most probably referring to emotions or feelings or moods that come over a person...
just like another member here was saying.
Maybe it was referred to as an evil spirit by those writing at that time.
God left Saul....so the "mood" became evident.
When God withdraws, it causes calamity/evil
Isaiah 45:7
7The One forming light and creating darkness, Causing well-being and creating calamity; I am the LORD who does all these.

 

[Rockerduck]

There is no fear for those in Christ. The Holy Spirit in you is Powerful and greater than any spiritual force in the world.

Romans 8:31 - What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?

1 John 4:4 - Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

2 Timothy 1:7 - For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

 

[MA2444]

Fear can possess you?
Anger can possess you?
Greed can possess you?

I have heard all three of these demons named as a demon in people's testimonies. One testimony the spirit of Fear came to a woman right before her encounter with Jesus. The spirit of Fear walked in to her room with her and tried to scare her. She said the spirit of fear was a very small looking demon and not intimidating at all to look at.
Spirit of Anger, multiple people have reported this one. Spirit of Greed possesses almost all of New York and has Washington D.C. in the palm of it's hand.

But seriously, I think the Bible describes (16 different types of demons?) To name what I can, Spirit of Divination, Familiar spirits, spirit of Jealously, spirit of Heaviness, Perverse spirit, Lying spirit, spirit of Infirmity, spirit of Whoredoms, Dumb & Deaf spirit, spirit of Bondage, spirit of Fear, Seducing spirits, Spirit of Anti-Christ, spirit of Error, spirit of Death, and in Ephesians 6 it describes spirits of Principalities, spirits of Powers, Rulers of the Darkness of this world, and spiritual wickedness spirits which dwell in high places.

Did I miss any? There has to be more than that. I've heard two different Pastors teach about a spirit of Homosexuality, spirit of Depravity and spirits of sexual Immorality.

I have heard that people accidently open the door for demon possession and the evil spirit comes in, and it's presence can cause sickness and illness within the body. When a spirit is cast out, they are free of the spirit and so the house can be said to be clean and swept out. With the slightest invitation the Holy Spirit will come live inside you. But if after having a spirit cast out of you, you do not embrace the Holy Spirit, then the evil spirit that was cast out drops by to look at his old house, and if he finds it un-occupied, he goes and gets seven more demons even nastier than himself and moves in and the mans end result is worse than at the first. (Matthew 12:43-45)

Now there was another spirit I can think of in scripture. The demon possessed boy who was epileptic. I'm not sure if that is a spirit of Infirmity, or a spirit of Epilepsy?

 

[MA2444]

I'm curious to get people's take on God Himself sending an evil spirit, as in 1 Samuel 16:14-16.

I think I have a good answer for you. Remember in the book of Job, satan went before God and asked for permission to wreak havoc on Job's life. God gave satan permission to but told him to spare his life.

So can it be said that God sent satan to beat Job up? I can wrap my head around that why people say yes to that. But in reality, God didnt do that to the people. He allowed it to happen to his people as a test of their faith. So He did and He didnt kind of. What would you have to fear? He's got the whole world in His hands, He's got the whole wide world in His hands...

 

[Taken]

Is demonic a unclean Spirit ? Can it posse a person ?

Yes a demonic spirit is an unclean spirit.
Yes a demonic spirit can possess a person.

All celestial spirits have Powers that they can ALSO appear in Human form Looking LIKE someone you do not KNOW…as well as Looking LIKE a person you know who is Deceased.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Wrangler]

I'm curious to get people's take on God Himself sending an evil spirit, as in 1 Samuel 16:14-16.

Senses of words. NLT renders it a tormenting spirit (doing God’s will). God’s curses are tormenting or evil in the sense of bad feeling.

This is different from acts against God’s will, which is evil.

Hope this helps.

 

[CC7799]

Goodness Stream...
Is there a reason why you're so obsessed with demonic possession?
It's not too good to be thinking of satan all the time.
Read Philippians 4:8 and make it a habit.
Finally, brethren, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is of good repute, if there is any excellence and if anything worthy of praise, dwell on these things.

Hello. Im taking chance replying.

I'm not obsessed.
Im trying to produce fruit for God. I did variety of different threads.

I don't think of Belial whole lot.

Take care.