Are Mormons Christians? (Latter Day Saints)

[Jane_Doe22]

@Wrangler Mormonism and Christianity are both religions. Neither one of them save anyone. People can go to church religiously… it’s only the Lord Yeshua that saves.

Ok, that is fair if you ae approaching from that paradigm.

The only issue in the Mormon world, is there is more “revelation” more to “reveal”

More revelation: none of use, Prostentant, LDS Christian, whatever know all of God's wonders now. Of course there is more to learn & be revealed. LDS Christians just embrace this very openly.

as a fact to themselves so if you really want to get to heaven you need to be a member of their church.

That's actually the opposite of true. You've seen me here readily celebrating the fact that other Christians are Christians too. For a super short TLDR: vast majority of joint-heirs in Christ will have never been "Mormon" in this life.

On the other hand: a lot of other Christian groups maintain that you have to be a part of their church (broadly or narrowly defined) and follow the exact same beliefs as them in order to be saved. All these folks denying my relationship with Christ are doing just that.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

The Mormon Fatih is not a Christian faith. However if an individual Mormon is trusting in the death and physical resurrection of Jesus for their salvation- they are a Christian even if they still believe in their magic underwear!

Hey considering you got toe believe in that Christ the Son of God died and rose from the dead for our sins to be "Mormon" in the first place, we're doing pretty good

 

[Wrangler]

You don't have a leg to stand on come out when it concerns rightfully labeling what a Christian denomination is and is not..

Other than I presented a source to an objective fact and all you got is your very humble opinion.

 

[Super Kal]

In LDS Christianity, my newborn nephew has always existed in some form. His body is obviously really new, but his spirit existed for ages. God the Father is the Father of his spirit.

And once again, she provides no Bible verse, no proof, no evidence that this is indeed biblical.

 

[Wrangler]

And once again, she provides no Bible verse, no proof, no evidence that this is indeed biblical.

Does she have to provide verses to people who supposedly know the Bible? Once again, what you write is not true in implying there is not rock solid evidence for her position. Honestly, you are just be argumentative. How do you explain Jeremiah 1:5
“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you,

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Does she have to provide verses to people who supposedly know the Bible? Once again, what you write is not true in implying there is not rock solid evidence for her position. Honestly, you are just be argumentative. How do you explain Jeremiah 1:5
“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you,

Pointing out something obvious but people overlook it: talking about the nature of man is a different subject than the nature of God. Let’s not get the two mixed up. “Different Jesus” discussions should be on the subject of God, because Jesus is God. Not the subject of regular men.

 

[MatthewG]

Ok, that is fair if you ae approaching from that paradigm.



More revelation: none of use, Prostentant, LDS Christian, whatever know all of God's wonders now. Of course there is more to learn & be revealed. LDS Christians just embrace this very openly.



That's actually the opposite of true. You've seen me here readily celebrating the fact that other Christians are Christians too. For a super short TLDR: vast majority of joint-heirs in Christ will have never been "Mormon" in this life.

On the other hand: a lot of other Christian groups maintain that you have to be a part of their church (broadly or narrowly defined) and follow the exact same beliefs as them in order to be saved. All these folks denying my relationship with Christ are doing just that.

Someone who wants to defend an organization is gonna tell me I’m not telling the truth…

All one has to do is go join and stay with them for a year…

There is a building not super far away from here…

I’m not saying there isn’t people who in there love God and love others but there is the flip coin where it’s all based on self, and not reliance of Jesus.

You can tell me no Matthew no, Matthew , no Matthew.

I don’t care Jane. I ain’t here to defend and organization… I’m getting close to just ignoring you.

 

[Super Kal]

Does she have to provide verses to people who supposedly know the Bible? Once again, what you write is not true in implying there is not rock solid evidence for her position. Honestly, you are just be argumentative. How do you explain Jeremiah 1:5
“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you,

Jeremiah 1:5 says absolutely nothing about the souls or spirits of little babies existing for all eternity before the world began... Jeremiah 1:5 tells us that when we are knitted in our mother's womb, God has a plan for our life.

 

[MatthewG]

Oh don’t forget being shamed if you don’t put in that 10% every month you gotta pay tithes to get into heaven ! Apostle Dan whispers in my ear I need to pay in an extra 15 to make up for the lost 5% from last week.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Someone who wants to defend an organization is gonna tell me I’m not telling the truth…

All one has to do is go join and stay with them for a year…

There is a building not super far away from here…

I’m not saying there isn’t people who in there love God and love others but there is the flip coin where it’s all based on self, and not reliance of Jesus.

You can tell me no Matthew no, Matthew , no Matthew.

I don’t care Jane. I ain’t here to defend and organization… I’m getting close to just ignoring you.

I’m just clarifying what is actually believed. LDS Christians don’t limit Heaven in anyway to just LDS Christians.

 

[Wrangler]

So you believe God created us as spirits and then sent us to earth? If so for what purpose? if we were perfect in heaven in perfect kingdom why would God take us out of it?

Great question! The premise of which, is flawed. Heaven is not perfect as sin started in heaven, where the devil still contaminates, there will be war and the need to do away with heaven and replace it with a new heaven.

Job 1:6-12
The Voice
6 Now one day, it came time for the sons of God, God’s heavenly messengers, to present themselves to the Eternal One to give reports and receive instructions. The Accuser[a] was with them there.

Revelation 12:7
Then there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon and his angels.

Revelation 21:1
Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away

To answer your question, I believe we come to Earth to learn. When people blame God for how their life has gone, they are blaming the wrong person. We decide what we want to learn in this life, what trials and tribulations we experience to learn.

 

[MatthewG]

Jeremiah 1:5 says absolutely nothing about the souls or spirits of little babies existing for all eternity before the world began... Jeremiah 1:5 tells us that when we are knitted in our mother's womb, God has a plan for our life.

That whole verse is about Jeremiah alone. In my opinion…

“The words of Jeremiah, the son of Hilkiah, one of the priests who were in Anathoth in the land of Benjamin, Now the word of the LORD came to me, saying, “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations.” Then I said, “Ah, Lord God! Behold, I do not know how to speak, for I am only a youth.””
‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭1‬:‭1‬, ‭4‬-‭6‬ ‭ESV‬‬

I’m just clarifying what is actually believed. LDS Christians don’t limit Heaven in anyway to just LDS Christians.

I don’t care. I find it misleading.

 

[MatthewG]

Great question! The premise of which, is flawed. Heaven is not perfect as sin started in heaven, where the devil still contaminates, there will be war and the need to do away with heaven and replace it with a new heaven.

Job 1:6-12
The Voice
6 Now one day, it came time for the sons of God, God’s heavenly messengers, to present themselves to the Eternal One to give reports and receive instructions. The Accuser[a] was with them there.

Revelation 12:7
Then there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon and his angels.

Revelation 21:1
Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away

To answer your question, I believe we come to Earth to learn. When people blame God for how their life has gone, they are blaming the wrong person. We decide what we want to learn in this life, what trials and tribulations we experience to learn.

I can’t say nothing about it…

I don’t believe I came from heaven down here. I don’t even believe aliens exist…

I do believe Yahavah created us in the womb, but we aren’t Jeremiah. That is where the soul and body are made, in the womb.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

I don’t care. I find it misleading.

I’m … sorry? What do you want me to say here?

 

[MatthewG]

I’m … sorry? What do you want me to say here?

Who said you had to speak? You ain’t always gotta comment back just cause you’re quoted… (walks away.)

 

[MatthewG]

Whatever anyone does…

Do not let people manipulate you.


They will try their hardest. Never trust them.

Trust Yahavah… but bless those people.

 

[Super Kal]

I can’t say nothing about it…

I don’t believe I came from heaven down here. I don’t even believe aliens exist…

I do believe Yahavah created us in the womb, but we aren’t Jeremiah. That is where the soul and body are made, in the womb.

Nothing in the entire Bible ever says that we first start out in heaven... not even Adam, the first human being, started in heaven... Genesis 2:7 that says that God formed him out of the dust of the Earth, and God breathed the breath of life into him, and he became a living soul.

Absolutely nothing about spirit babies existing in heaven before existence ever began... and I agree with you on Jeremiah 1:5, I do think that was specifically for Jeremiah, but I also do believe that when we are knitted in our mother's room, God does have a plan for each of us... god wants to see us come to him in repentance and faith, and live the life that glorifies the Lord.

 

[Wrangler]

Jeremiah 1:5 says absolutely nothing about the souls or spirits of little babies existing for all eternity before the world began

Sure it does say something like that. You just want to deny it. How could know us before we were formed in the womb if we did not exist before conception?

 

[TheOneHeLoves]

The nature of man is different between Creedal vs LDS Christianity.

In Creedal Christianity, my newborn nephew has existed for less than a year. He's not a child of God, he's merely a recent creation. Some Christian groups will even say he's a damned sinner due to the Original Sin. There was not much purpose in his creation, except to be a trophy glorifying God. Of course-- I'm saying all this with broad strokes, let me know if you believe differently because there is a huge variety of beliefs here.

In LDS Christianity, my newborn nephew has always existed in some form. His body is obviously really new, but his spirit existed for ages. God the Father is the Father of his spirit. God created this whole Earth so that baby (& everyone else) can get a body, learn, grow, and have joy. God knew in advance that people would sin & screw up, hence Christ volunteered to suffer & die for us all. Christ was the first person to be resurrected: having His spirit re-united with a now perfected physical body. We'll all be too one day.

First, I don't bother myself with labeling beliefs. I read from The Holy Bible and allow the Holy Spirit to give me understanding and wisdom.
He has and will even give me confirmation over and over again.

second, Adam was created from dirt, Eve created out of his rib. Then the rest of us were born of human conception. Jesus is the only one that came from Spirit to flesh.

Even when Jesus spoke to Nicodemus in John 3, He said we must be born of water (flesh) and The Spirit. There was no mention that we were spirits before. No angel will ever be human and no human will ever be an angel.

You stated " God created this whole Earth so that baby (& everyone else) can get a body, learn, grow, and have joy." If we were with Him in Heaven, we would be filled with joy.

I know we will understand God in our earthly state but the belief you have makes no sense to me.

 

[Wrangler]

do believe Yahavah created us in the womb, but we aren’t Jeremiah. That is where the soul and body are made, in the womb.

Soul = Body (made in womb) + Spirit

Nothing in the entire Bible ever says that we first start out in heaven

So much of what you write is untrue. To be absent from the body is to be what? Present with the LORD. Where is the LORD that we are present with when not in body? Heaven.