Daniel's Final "one week" of Daniel 9:27 Made Simple

[Spiritual Israelite]

So you think the abomination of Desolation of Daniel and Mattew 24 is a statue image of the beast that can talk and cause many people who refuse to worship it to be physically killed?! Do you think that is what God talks about here?

LOL. He has some goofy ideas that he dreams up in his imagination.

 

[Earburner]

Excuse me sir. I believe I follow along wiht what God says quite well.

Literally, yes! But what about spiritually?

Now what you say, I can not follow. because what you say does not line up with what scripture says.

Of course not. There is the literal interpretation, when necessary, but the spiritual interpretation is necessary also.
1 Cor. 2:13.

I must put scripture above you.

Of course you should. No one of us is infallible! We are all subject to error.

Yes,

But this is not an abomination that causes desolation.

No one can deny that the shedding of Christ's innocent blood, was indeed committed by the hands of Israel. Prov. 6:16-17.
Therefore, the shedding of Christ's innocent blood was an abomination against God the Father, that causes desolation, but indirectly.

Jesus said to Israel that which is very important to understand spiritually:
"Your house is left unto you desolate."
To be "desolate", is to be left alone, forsaken, orphaned, abandoned, which from Jesus' point of view, was to be void of God's presence, His security and protection.
For Israel, the results of that was clearly shown, when Titus completely destroyed both the temple and Jerusalem.

However, none have yet to know the extreme of what it is to be forsaken of by God, except the Eternal Son, who has always been One with the Father, in the day of His mortal death, when He cried out: "Father, why hast thou forsaken me?"

The temple was destroyed (in this case Jesus died)

Yes, Jesus is the First TRUE temple of God!! And we each also, who are born again of His Spirit, are also now a temple of God.

Every unsaved person, who comes to have faith in Christ, has that glorious potential, whereby the Holy Spirit of God, will come and Live within them.
Unfortunately, many die and never do, because satan who SITS IN those potentential temples of God, keeps them BLINDED.

and in three days he was risen.

Yes, for the first time, since mans' "fall in the Garden", the TRUE temple of God was restored back to God, through Jesus. We all who are born again, are indeed "following" Him in that regard.

Thats not the same as an abomination (idle or unclean thing) placed in a holy place rendering it desolate (unclean)

Spiritually, every person who does not HAVE the Spirit of Christ is unclean, and therefore "is none of His". Rom. 8:8-9.

I suggest you look up the defenition of an AOD.. Not just in some english language dictionary, But in the hebrew and the greek..

I DID! The true words of explanation for understanding, is in Dan. 11 and Dan. 12.
"The abomination that MAKETH desolate"

Because your interpretation does not line up with the real interpretion.

I agree, that the interpretation that I agree to, does not line up with that of "church-ianity", aka "the wisdom of men".

and please. stop telling me to listen to the spirit when you refuse to

Ok. Yes, we all can have it our own way,...by our own mind, aka "the natural man", "that man of sin".

 

[doctrox]

The true words of explanation for understanding, is in Dan. 11 and Dan. 12.
"The abomination that MAKETH desolate"

There are two opposing perspectives of this abomination of desolation. When the deceived church sees the resumption of the Jewish sacrifice, they will believe they are about to be “raptured.” They won't believe the event they've just witnessed is the abomination, for they've been taught that won't occur until 3.5 years later with the cessation of the sacrifice.

The true believer will instead recognize the event as the abomination itself. They won't be expecting to be “raptured” because they know that Christ said when "ye shall see the abomination of desolation" it will then be time for them to flee into the mountains -- or quickly activate any contingency plans they've made to be preserved during the immediately ensuing destruction. The individual who inaugurates the resumption of the sacrifice is the Antichrist.

The book of Daniel even tells us that the abomination is NOT the cessation of the sacrifice. At the very end of the book, the angel tells Daniel that "...from the time [that] the daily [sacrifice] shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, [there shall be] a thousand two hundred and ninety days." (Dan. 12:11).

This verse clearly tells us that the 'setting up' of the abomination and the cessation of the sacrifice are separated by a period of 1,290 days. If you look at it closely, you'll see the verse strongly infers that the resumption of the sacrifice IS the abomination of desolation. It's because the passage approaches the chronological events in reverse that it's somewhat veiled. Again, it reads "from [or between] the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away... and the [setting up of the] abomination," there will be a period of just over 3.5 years.

The final aspect of the Beast's revealing will only occur at Christ's second coming.

The truth is, the abomination of desolation is the resumption of animal sacrifices for the sins of mankind when the precious blood of God's only begotten son has already been shed for our desperate sinful condition.

 

[CTK]

There are two opposing perspectives of this abomination of desolation. When the deceived church sees the resumption of the Jewish sacrifice, they will believe they are about to be “raptured.” They won't believe the event they've just witnessed is the abomination, for they've been taught that won't occur until 3.5 years later with the cessation of the sacrifice.

The true believer will instead recognize the event as the abomination itself. They won't be expecting to be “raptured” because they know that Christ said when "ye shall see the abomination of desolation" it will then be time for them to flee into the mountains -- or quickly activate any contingency plans they've made to be preserved during the immediately ensuing destruction. The individual who inaugurates the resumption of the sacrifice is the Antichrist.

The book of Daniel even tells us that the abomination is NOT the cessation of the sacrifice. At the very end of the book, the angel tells Daniel that "...from the time [that] the daily [sacrifice] shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, [there shall be] a thousand two hundred and ninety days." (Dan. 12:11).

This verse clearly tells us that the 'setting up' of the abomination and the cessation of the sacrifice are separated by a period of 1,290 days. If you look at it closely, you'll see the verse strongly infers that the resumption of the sacrifice IS the abomination of desolation. It's because the passage approaches the chronological events in reverse that it's somewhat veiled. Again, it reads "from [or between] the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away... and the [setting up of the] abomination," there will be a period of just over 3.5 years.

The final aspect of the Beast's revealing will only occur at Christ's second coming.

The truth is, the abomination of desolation is the resumption of animal sacrifices for the sins of mankind when the precious blood of God's only begotten son has already been shed for our desperate sinful condition.

Please consider the following new interpretation. Look forward to your thoughts...

Almost all the time prophecies in the Book of Daniel have been interpreted by applying the year-for-a-day principle. This includes the seven "times" found in Chapter 4, the "time, times, and half a time" in Chapter 7, and even the "2300 evenings and mornings" prophecy in Chapter 8, despite Daniel clearly mentioning it refers to the "evenings and morning sacrifices." In this commentary, an alternative interpretation has been offered for each of these time elements based on the context found in the surrounding verses. These two time elements are also quite challenging to interpret, but they, too, ultimately point to the Messiah—His first and second coming upon the earth.

Verse 11 represents two separate timed events: the period between when the daily sacrifice was taken away and the setting up of the abomination of desolation. These two events are referenced in Chapter 9. The "abomination of desolation" signifies the crucifixion of the Messiah in the middle of the final week, which equates to 3.5 years of the last seven-year period. The "setting up" of the abomination of desolation begins on the first day of His ministry, marked by His baptism in the Jordan River.

Daniel’s seventy-weeks-of-years prophecy is given in years, with the last week representing seven years. Using 360 days for each prophetic year, the period from the first day of the seventieth week to His crucifixion is 3.5 years or 1,260 days (3.5 years x 360 days per year). However, an adjustment is necessary to account for the Jewish calendar's reconciliation of the solar and lunar calendars, ensuring the spring feast days occur in the spring. Over a nineteen-year cycle, the calendar is adjusted seven times in years 3, 6, 8, 11, 14, 17, and 19, adding a 30 day adjustment to that year. During any three-year period within this cycle, there must be at least one 30-day adjustment.

Thus, the 1,260-day span between the "set up of the abomination" and the crucifixion includes an additional 30 days, totaling 1,290 days. This adjustment is crucial because it aligns with the prophecy’s timeline and helps us understand the timing of His second coming.

 

[doctrox]

These two time elements are also quite challenging to interpret, but they, too, ultimately point to the Messiah—His first and second coming upon the earth.

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Thus, the 1,260-day span between the "set up of the abomination" and the crucifixion includes an additional 30 days, totaling 1,290 days. This adjustment is crucial because it aligns with the prophecy’s timeline and helps us understand the timing of His second coming.

There's a reason why we're told that only the Father knows the exact timing. So if we take it on ourselves to try to flesh out some date(s), we're nothing but sucker bait for Satan's derailments.

 

[CTK]

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There's a reason why we're told that only the Father knows the exact timing. So if we take it on ourselves to try to flesh out some date(s), we're nothing but sucker bait for Satan's derailments.

And what?

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There's a reason why we're told that only the Father knows the exact timing. So if we take it on ourselves to try to flesh out some date(s), we're nothing but sucker bait for Satan's derailments.

First ----"And what? What are you trying to say?
Secondly, so you are trying to say that God should not have given us any of the time elements in His prophecies because that would constitute our attempting to find out when He is coming?

 

[doctrox]

so you are trying to say that God should not have given us any of the time elements in His prophecies because that would constitute our attempting to find out when He is coming?

I'm saying that it's a fool's game - one which I elect not to play.

"Time elements" are fair game but, unfortunately, with men, it never seems to stop there.

IOW, we are to be ready NOW for his coming - while leaving the "scholars" to their dissimulations.

 

[CTK]

I'm saying that it's a fool's game - one which I elect not to play.

"Time elements" are fair game but, unfortunately, with men, it never seems to stop there.

IOW, we are to be ready NOW for his coming - while leaving the "scholars" to their dissimulations.

Okay!

 

[Timtofly]

ChatGPT is not God.

It is part of the conditioning leading to this: Revelation 13:14-15

"And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak."

 

[Timtofly]

Yes a lot people use Ezekiel to justify the week of years but week of years doesn't work in Daniel.

In Daniel 9:27 it says that Jesus will confirm the covenant for EXACTLY one week.

Is there a 7 year period in the life Jesus where we can say he confirmed the covenant? Not that I know of.

Is there a 7 DAY period in the life Jesus where we can say he confirmed the covenant? Absolutely, The week started when Jesus rode into Jerusalem on palm Sunday. In the midst of that week he was crucified. At the end of that week he rose from the dead, confirming the covenant God made with Abraham in EXACTLY 7 days.

How can you say a week is "of years" in one verse, and a week "of days" in another, when that was your whole point of accusation to begin with?

Your whole argument was that people's interpretation was wrong, based on that only point of contention.

In the example of Jacob and his 2 wives there were both a week of days and a week of years exhibited in the text and interpretation depended on the context.

You failed to see that the context did change in that example of Jacob tricked by Laban.

The labor was the week of years. The marriage agreement was a week of days. Both the same Hebrew word.

You may have the context down about Daniel 9 as well. However the week of the Cross is not Daniel 9:27. You have the wrong "removal of the daily sacrifice".

It is definitely not a 7 year Covenant nor a 7 day Covenant. This is the eternal Covenant of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. The same Covenant was removed in the given week time frame.

"And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

This verse does not say the Covenant was established for a week and then removed.

This week is the last week of the specified 70 weeks, but not the last 7 years. You are correct in that it is 7 days, but wrong that is was the week of the Cross.

The verse cannot say there will be a period of 7 days in the midst of the last 7 years. That is not even implied. You have not even defined the last 7 years.

You can imply that the Cross was a confirmation of the eternal Covenant of salvation. But then have to explain a totally different Covenant that was removed the same day, in the midst of that 7 days. Salvation was not removed that week. Salvation is still available 2 millennia later. Besides the fact, that would change the meaning of confirm to initiate in the literal sense of a week of days. From the physical aspect, the Cross was the beginning of the NT Covenant with humankind. That the Cross confirmed that Covenant is not wrong, and to say the Old Covenant was removed at the same time is also not wrong. Attributing the events of the week of the Cross to Daniel 9:27 is wrong. The act of the Cross was not the point of Daniel 9:27. The OT Covenant was not even brought up once in those verses, even though many want to spiritually apply that to the chapter.

Daniel 9:27 deals directly with the Prince part of the context, not the Messiah part.

The days of the 7th Trumpet is the week the Covenant of salvation is made strong or confirmed with the many, and that results in the total removal of salvation itself for 42 months. Yes, in one week of days it changes from strong to removed, depending on how strong that Covenant is. The other point is that the Covenant of Salvation is no longer necessary when those 70 weeks are declared over by the 7th Trumpet. No one will even need salvation after that week. The whole promise of this verse:

"Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy."

Adam's transgression will be totally reversed for humankind at the 7th Trumpet. Revelation 10:6-7

"And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets."

Time up is the 70 weeks of Daniel 9.

 

[Timtofly]

We’re all nobodies, no one is going to record our views in history. Most of us are ridiculed and made fun of.

Except ChatGPT?

 

[CTK]

PART 1 (DUE TO LENGTH LIMITATIONS WITHIN THIS FORUM).

Well, there are an awlful lot of interpretations out there on these four verses (9:24-27). And that should be expected since, they, along with many other verses in Daniel are quite cryptic and difficult to unpack. So, here is my thoughts on these verses:

Scene #1 -

1) The Jews had been disobeying their God and committing idolatry for many years. And within their disobedience, they failed to honor the keeping of the Sabbath as it applied to the land. They would not allow the land to rest on the 7th year and this would go on for 490 years.
God would send Jeremiah to warn them, but they refused to listen. He specfically told them they would be destroyed and taken captive by the Babylonians for a 70 year period. This way, in their absence, the land would rest for the 70 years they failed to honor the land Sabbath.
Jeremiah knew the timing of His punishment and was compelled to take the Ark of the Covenant from within the Sanctuary to prevent it from being taken to Babylon. This was prophetic and represented the first piece of furniture that was removed from the Sanctuary.

Scene #2 -

1) God would give Daniel the 70 weeks of years prophecy found in Chapter 9 that would reveal how He would restore every piece of furniture, the Temple, the Sanctuary, the holy feast days, the Sabbatical cycles, the walls and the streets, the animal sacrifices and offerings that were either destroyed by the Babylonians or taken away. This 490 year plan of restoration would address everything that was lost, destroyed and taken away within these four verses:

a) God would establish the external time boundaries for the 70 weeks of years prophecy when everything was to be restored.
b) Within these 490 years or 70 weeks, God would carve our three disctinct timed sections of 7, 62 and 1 week.
c) He would reveal what elements of the restoration process would be completed in the first timed section of the prophecy. And the restoration of these elements were to be fulfilled or completed by His people. And they were successful in doing so.
d) The next timed element God would give us would NOT be the second timed section which was the largest section of 434 years within the 490 year prophecy. Instead, He would reveal those elements which would be restored during / within the last week or the last 7 years of the prophecy. The ONLY remaining piece of furniture that was yet to be restored after the Babylonian destruction, and after the Jews returned to Jerusalem was the Ark of the Covenant - the very first piece of furniture taken away by Jeremiah. And this is purposeful, because the Jews had no ability to restore the presence of God back into the Sanctuary. Thus, God would "set aside" this last week of the prophecy and assign His Messiah to complete the restoration process by restoring the presence of the Ark in the form of Himself. Each of the elements that were taken away or destroyed were restored in the exact reverse order they were taken away or destroyed. The last 7 years or the last week was specifically for the Messiah to fulfill His God given mission.
e) However, although the largest middle section of 434 years was not given a specific assignment in His plan of restoration, they would be an extremely important timed section which as constructed, would document both the arrival and destruction of the Messiah. It would link the first and third timed sections together so they could not stand apart. They ensured the three timed sections would be consecutive, without pause or gap. It connected the two prophetic bookends of the prohecy so they could not be pulled apart.

Scene #3 -

1) The four verses of this most important messianic prophecy can also be separated into two special sections (restorative v. destructive verses):

a) In verse 9:24 a, God will give us the actual length of time this prophecy will last. It will be for 490 literal years or 70 weeks of years. Again, this is the external time border of the prophecy were everything will take place.
b) In verse 9:24 b, God tells us exactly who this prophecy is for... it is for His people and His city - those who would return from their captivity in Babylon. It is therefore not to another audience some 2000 years in the future. It is entirely focused on His plan of restoration.
c) In verses 9:24 c-h, God will identify the 6 elements that He has given to His Messiah to fulfill. These are not elements that could be restored or fulfilled by the Jews. Only God can fulfill them.
d) Verses 9:24 and 25 are both "restorative" verses in that they reveal all the elements - whether physical or spiritual elements that will be fulfilled.
e) Verse 9:25 a -b, we find the following revelations:
1) Verses a and b give us the time the clock would start for when the restorations will be completed:

Know therefore and understand,
That from the going forth of the command (this would be 457 B),

2) Verses 9:25 c - g, we are given the two major elements that will be restored in the section / period within the 70 weeks. Those hi-lited in blue speak to the physical elements to be restored by the Jews. Those hi-lited in red represent the timing the Messiah would arrive within the restoration period of 70 weeks - Physical elements - WITHIN first 7 weeks, the coming of the Messiah - AFTER 7 and 62 weeks were completed:

To restore and build Jerusalem
Until Messiah the Prince,
There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks;
The street shall be built again, and the https://biblehub.com/nkjv/daniel/9.htm#footnoteswall,
Even in troublesome times.

 

[CTK]

PART 2 (DUE TO LENGTH LIMITATIONS WITHIN THIS FORUM).

f) Verse 26 and 27 are both "destructive" verses and reveal the events AFTER the cross - after everything was restored from the Babylonian destruction.

1) Verse 9:26 a-b, tells us the Messiah will be "cut off" or crucified AFTER 62 weeks or the second timed section of the 70 weeks prophecy. (the first 7 weeks and now the second timed section of 62 weeks had been fulfilled). The Messiah had to first arrive after the "restorative" verses were completed of 7 and 62, and now it is revealed He will be destroyed AFTER the completion of the first 2 timed sections. And He will be "cut off" - but not for Himself (this can only refer to the Messiah who would die for the sin of us all. certainly, no other individual, group or nation could fulfill this requirement),

And after the sixty-two weeks
Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;

2) Verses 9:26 c-d, speak of the physical destruction of the city and the sanctuary that will take place after the cross in 70 AD, Daniel first reveals the destruction of the Messiah and then the destruction of the city and the sanctuary. This is in the same order of these elements in the restorative verse of 9:25,

And the people of the prince who is to come
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.

3) Verses 9:26 d-e, reveal the consequences for each of the two separate destructive elements: the physical elements and His people. In 70 AD, Titus and the Roman army will destroy everything and it will come as though a flood has eliminated everything at one major catastrophic event. But in regards to His people, they will be destroyed or dispersed among the Gentiles for the next 2000 years. And it will be their punishment that they will "become desolate" to their Lord for the time of the Gentiles. It is because of their rejection and crucifixion of their Messiah that God would turn His face from them and He would "make desolate" His people from their God.

The end of it shall be with a flood,
And till the end of the war desolations are determined.

4) Verse 9:27 a, tells us it is the Messiah who will "confirm" the covenant with many (during / within - NOT FOR), one week. This is the covenant identified in Jeremiah 31:31-34. God has never made a covenant with His people or mankind for a limited period of time. There are more than a few translations of 9:27a. Some say "during", or "within" or "for," but the ONLY translation should be the one that stays within the context of these 4 verses and is to be considered THE MOST IMPORTANT EVENT within the last week of this prophecy. It was DURING this last "set aside" week of the prophecy the Messiah would go to the cross and confirm the New Covenant with His people.

Then He shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;

5) Verse 9:27 b, identifies that within the "midst or middle of the week," .... Again, these events are speaking about the cross and the results of the cross. Exactly, 3.5 years WITHIN the last week of the prophecy, the Messiah will be crucified.

But in the middle of the week

6) Verse 9:27 c, reveals that as a result of the Messiah being the perfect sacrifice, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.... He has indeed made the animal sacrifices and offerings found within the Levitical ceremonies - Passover, to be permanently "done away with." They have fulfilled their mission and had served as a type and shadow of the coming Messiah. No longer would these Levitical practices or ceremonies be held - (yes, the Jews would continue to hold them but they were meaningless in God's eyes. He had fulfilled them).

He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.

7) Verses 9:27 d-f, speak about the consequences to His people as a result of their rejection and crucifixion of their Messiah. All three verses speak to "His people" and not to the Temple, the Sanctuary or any other physical element. They not only have been "done away with" from a spiritual point of view, but they would be physically be completely destroyed in 70 AD. There is no longer any need to discuss them.... but that cannot be said for His people. Despite their unbelief, God would never abandon His people, thus, the prophecies in these 4 verses must reveal a time in the future when God will restore His people once again. As a direct result of their rejection of Him, they would become completely "desolate" from their God UNTIL the time of the consummation. This means, that when the time of the Gentiles is over, God will restore His people and He will once again be their God and they His people.

And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the [l]desolate.”


These are the most important and unbelievable prophecies in the Bible. They are indeed all about the Messiah and His plan of salvation for the Jews and mankind. So many people have stripped these unbelievable prophecies away from the Messiah. If you want to find the Messiah within these prophecies (all of Daniel), you will find Him. Daniel is not a history book to focus on the 4 kingdoms, their kings, or the conflicts that take place. They are the structure where God will place His prophecies that will take place during the time of these 4 kingdoms only. The structure is not the story, He is the story.

 

[IndianaRob]

How can you say a week is "of years" in one verse, and a week "of days" in another, when that was your whole point of accusation to begin with?

I don’t know where this comes from. I don’t believe any week in Daniel 9 is a week of years so if I said that then it was a typo.

Your whole argument was that people's interpretation was wrong, based on that only point of contention.

My whole contention is that people are changing the meaning of “week” to years.

In the example of Jacob and his 2 wives there were both a week of days and a week of years exhibited in the text and interpretation depended on the context.

You failed to see that the context did change in that example of Jacob tricked by Laban.

The labor was the week of years. The marriage agreement was a week of days. Both the same Hebrew word.

Jacob served Laban for 7 years then Laban gave Jacob Leah. Jacob and Leah started a 7 day period (1 week) on the wedding night.

Then Jacob was upset because Laban tricked him. Laban told Jacob to finish the wedding week (a 7 day period starting with the day Jacob had physical union with Leah) he had started with Leah.

Laban told Jacob that after Jacob finished her 7 day marriage period, then if he would serve him 7 more years then Laban would give Rachel as Joseph’s wife.

You may have the context down about Daniel 9 as well. However the week of the Cross is not Daniel 9:27. You have the wrong "removal of the daily sacrifice".

It is definitely not a 7 year Covenant nor a 7 day Covenant. This is the eternal Covenant of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. The same Covenant was removed in the given week time frame.

"And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

This verse does not say the Covenant was established for a week and then removed.

This week is the last week of the specified 70 weeks, but not the last 7 years. You are correct in that it is 7 days, but wrong that is was the week of the Cross.

The verse cannot say there will be a period of 7 days in the midst of the last 7 years. That is not even implied. You have not even defined the last 7 years.

You can imply that the Cross was a confirmation of the eternal Covenant of salvation. But then have to explain a totally different Covenant that was removed the same day, in the midst of that 7 days. Salvation was not removed that week. Salvation is still available 2 millennia later. Besides the fact, that would change the meaning of confirm to initiate in the literal sense of a week of days. From the physical aspect, the Cross was the beginning of the NT Covenant with humankind. That the Cross confirmed that Covenant is not wrong, and to say the Old Covenant was removed at the same time is also not wrong. Attributing the events of the week of the Cross to Daniel 9:27 is wrong. The act of the Cross was not the point of Daniel 9:27. The OT Covenant was not even brought up once in those verses, even though many want to spiritually apply that to the chapter.

Daniel 9:27 deals directly with the Prince part of the context, not the Messiah part.

The days of the 7th Trumpet is the week the Covenant of salvation is made strong or confirmed with the many, and that results in the total removal of salvation itself for 42 months. Yes, in one week of days it changes from strong to removed, depending on how strong that Covenant is. The other point is that the Covenant of Salvation is no longer necessary when those 70 weeks are declared over by the 7th Trumpet. No one will even need salvation after that week. The whole promise of this verse:

"Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy."

Adam's transgression will be totally reversed for humankind at the 7th Trumpet. Revelation 10:6-7

"And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets."

Time up is the 70 weeks of Daniel 9.

Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

That is the covenant that Christ confirmed on the cross.

 

[IndianaRob]

Except ChatGPT?

Low blow, no comment.

 

[Timtofly]

Dougg, why do you not accept that the Messiah, when He sacrificed Himself on the cross, did not "do away" with the need for any further animal sacrifices, offerings, etc. After the cross, the Temple, the Sanctuary, etc., had no value - ever again.. Their mission was fulfilled.

The OT Covenant sacrifices are not the ones stopped in Daniel 9:27.

The salvation of the Cross, is what stops in this verse. Daniel 9 never talks about the OT Covenant of the Law. Daniel 9 is only dealing with the Atonement Covenant of the Messiah. That is the daily sacrifice that is stopped, and no longer available.

It is correct in saying the NT Covenant fulfilled, and thus ended the OT Covenant. That is why the Temple veil was torn.


However that is not the topic in Daniel 9. The promises of Daniel 9:24 have not been fulfilled. The 70 weeks have not come to an end. Adam's transgression and the punishment of sin is still in full force.

What changed at the Cross, was the removal of the Law and the institution of grace. The priesthood was taken from a single person to each individual as their own priesthood with God directly.

 

[covenantee]

The promises of Daniel 9:24 have not been fulfilled.

Did Jesus fulfill "reconciliation for iniquity" for the 3,000 of Daniel's people in Jerusalem who received Him on the Day of Pentecost? Acts 2:41

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[CTK]

The OT Covenant sacrifices are not the ones stopped in Daniel 9:27.

The salvation of the Cross, is what stops in this verse. Daniel 9 never talks about the OT Covenant of the Law. Daniel 9 is only dealing with the Atonement Covenant of the Messiah. That is the daily sacrifice that is stopped, and no longer available.

It is correct in saying the NT Covenant fulfilled, and thus ended the OT Covenant. That is why the Temple veil was torn.


However that is not the topic in Daniel 9. The promises of Daniel 9:24 have not been fulfilled. The 70 weeks have not come to an end. Adam's transgression and the punishment of sin is still in full force.

What changed at the Cross, was the removal of the Law and the institution of grace. The priesthood was taken from a single person to each individual as their own priesthood with God directly.

Well, thank you for your thoughts but we are going to have to agree to disagree. The law was certainly not done away with… our sin nature was not done away with, but the animal sacrifices and offerings were done away with as a result of the perfect sacrifice of the Messiah. The “daily” is now replaced by the permanent atonement.

The new covenant was (Jeremiah 31:31-34), was confirmed by the Messiah. The covenant given to Moses required the many Levitical ceremonies/ rituals/ practices to be kept, including the animal sacrifices and offering. These “ceremonies” were the means of removing sin … they were temporary in that they had to be repeated each year. Further, they could not remove sin or stop their sin nature.

It is the same, but different with the New Covenant. Rather than the keeping of the Levitical ceremonies as the “means,” God would send His Holy Spirit to give us all the power needed to prevent us from transgressing and sinning against our God- should we choose to accept Him. But the Covenant is exactly the same—- God gave us His 10 commandments and the means on Mt. Sinai. Jesus confirmed those same commandments but gave us a “better” means to keep His commandments. A better covenant.

I understand that many agree with your interpretation that the 70th week is “still to come,” and the 6 elements that were God’s mission to His Messiah to fulfill during His ministry on earth, but that all began in the 16th century by the Jesuits who created or produced this 7 year tribulation theory or gap theory. Essentially, they took most of 9:27 and intentionally misinterpreted it away from the Messiah and threw it some 2000 years into the future. And this interpretation has been taught to the many generations of children since that time- through their schools, universities, the pulpit, etc.
Jesus certainly did not fail in His God given mission during His “shortened” ministry. But this too was planned since the beginning of the world.

If you would like to explain why the 70th week is “still to come,” or why the Messiah did not succeed in His mission before He returned to the right hand of God, I will certainly read your comments / interpretations.

 

[CTK]

The OT Covenant sacrifices are not the ones stopped in Daniel 9:27.

The salvation of the Cross, is what stops in this verse. Daniel 9 never talks about the OT Covenant of the Law. Daniel 9 is only dealing with the Atonement Covenant of the Messiah. That is the daily sacrifice that is stopped, and no longer available.

It is correct in saying the NT Covenant fulfilled, and thus ended the OT Covenant. That is why the Temple veil was torn.


However that is not the topic in Daniel 9. The promises of Daniel 9:24 have not been fulfilled. The 70 weeks have not come to an end. Adam's transgression and the punishment of sin is still in full force.

What changed at the Cross, was the removal of the Law and the institution of grace. The priesthood was taken from a single person to each individual as their own priesthood with God directly.

You have obviously read my recent response in # 332-333 above. I believe they were quite detailed for this forum… so, I am looking forward to learning your thoughts.

 

[Timtofly]

Sorry, it does speak to the cross. Did Jesus tell them they would see the AOD standing..... meaning they would be alive to see this... it is not an end time event and doesn't tie into to Daniel 9:27? If not, tell me why not just that you do not accept it...

Then so would all of the millions of sheep sacrificed as innocent for the thousands of daily sacrifices, since the Law was established by Moses from God.