Are Mormons Christians? (Latter Day Saints)

[Super Kal]

what i posted was not false witness.
its the truth about your cult.

i shared a video because i dont have access to a microphone to do text to speech. i only have use of one hand currently, and it takes me 3x the time to type

you can claim you follow the Biblical Jesus all you want, but the plain fact is you dont, and i have proven that:

2 Nephi 31:16
And now, my beloved brethren, I know by this that unless a man shall endure to the end, in following the example of the Son of the living God, he cannot be saved.

Jesus is not the Father's literal son, and He most certainly DID NOT earn his way to godhood in pre-existence

Jesus and God the Father share the same divine nature and essence

Colossians 1:15-20
15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.
17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.
18 And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.
19 For it pleased the Father that in Him all the fullness should dwell,
20 and by Him to reconcile all things to Himself, by Him, whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of His cross.

"Apostle" Richard G. Scott told a general conference audience:
Jesus Christ possessed merits that no other child of Heavenly Father could possibly have. He was a God, Jehovah, before His birth in Bethlehem. His beloved Father not only gave Him His spirit body, but Jesus was His Only Begotten Son in the flesh. Our Master lived a perfect, sinless life and therefore was free from the demands of justice. He was and is perfect in every attribute, including love, compassion, patience, obedience, forgiveness, and humility
(“The Atonement Can Secure Your Peace and Happiness,” Ensign (Conference Edition), May 1997, p. 53).

the Bible teaches that Jesus was always God and never came into being as a god, whether in the “preexistence” or this world. John 1;1-3, 14 says:
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was with God in the beginning.
3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. . . .
14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

13th Mormon President Ezra Taft Benson stated,
It was in Gethsemane that Jesus took on Himself the sins of the world, in Gethsemane that His pain was equivalent to the cumulative burden of all men, in Gethsemane that He descended below all things so that all could repent and come to Him (Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson, p. 14).

Colossians 1:20
“And through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross.”

Galatians 6:14
“But far be it from me to boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.”

2 Corinthians 11:1-4
1 Oh, that you would bear with me in a little folly—and indeed you do bear with me.
2 For I am jealous for you with godly jealousy. For I have betrothed you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
3 But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted—you may well put up with it!

Mormonism preaches another Jesus.
Mormonism preaches another gospel.

when you stand before the real Jesus, the eternal God, one who was NOT once a man who attained godhood, one who IS NOT the literal son of the father, one who IS NOT the brother of Satan, and He casts you out, you cant blame me for not warning you.

Titus 3:10
a man that is a heretic, after the first and second admonition, reject.

 

[TheOneHeLoves]

I do thank you for your civility. It is extremely appreciated. Also 100% agreed on Jesus doesn’t change.

One of the actual differences between Protestants and LDS Christians is that Protestants have a closed canon (no more scripture or similar revelation) vs LDS Christians believe in open canon (scripture/ revelation still comes and we are still learning more of God’s wonders).

Give me an example of what is not in scripture that LDS say is new revelation?

 

[Jane_Doe22]

what i posted was not false witness.
its the truth about your cult.

Once again, if you want to think that, you can. If you want to believe all of these incorrect things about what I believe, you can do that. Doesn't phase me one bit- I know what I believe and my relationship with Christ. Have a nice day.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Give me an example of what is not in scripture that LDS say is new revelation?

LDS Christians like myself believe that God still speaks to the world, just like He did in ancient times. There's still living prophets preaching His words, and He can still give revelation/scripture. The "Book of Mormon" is one such example.

 

[Super Kal]

There's still living prophets preaching His words, and He can still give revelation/scripture. The "Book of Mormon" is one such example.

and yet you cant even address what that book actually says about Jesus...

 

[Jane_Doe22]

and yet you cant even address what that book actually says about Jesus...

I’m going to be VERY direct here: I’ve been very straight foward about my beliefs, especially my relationship with Christ, the Son of God. You have repeatedly point blank ignored me on this matters and just keep beating the “cult” drum based on bad info and false accusations.

Are you remotely interested in anything else? Actually talking about my faith in Christ? Cause if you just want to keep beating that drum, you can, but I have zero interest in it.

 

[Super Kal]

I’m going to be VERY direct here: I’ve been very straight foward about my beliefs, especially my relationship with Christ, the Son of God. You have repeatedly point blank ignored me on this matters and just keep beating the “cult” drum based on bad info and false accusations.

Are you remotely interested in anything else? Actually talking about my faith in Christ? Cause if you just want to keep beating that drum, you can, but I have zero interest in it.

and i have BEEN direct with you from the very beginning.
the sources i shared are sources from YOUR book, YOUR "scriptures", YOUR doctrines and beliefs...

Doctrines and Covenants is a book that YOUR church called as scripture.
when i say you believe in another Jesus, its because YOUR SCRIPTURES say so, AND YOUR OWN LEADERS SAY SO AS WELL.

Seventy Bernard P. Brockbank told a general conference audience:
"It is true that many of the Christian churches worship a different Jesus Christ than is worshipped by the Mormons or The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints."
(“The Living Christ,” Ensign (Conference Edition), May 1977, p. 26)

Fifteenth President Gordon B. Hinckley agreed with Brockbank:
"In bearing testimony of Jesus Christ, President Hinckley spoke of those outside the Church who say Latter-day Saints “do not believe in the traditional Christ.” “No, I don’t. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak. For the Christ of whom I speak has been revealed in this the Dispensation of the Fulness of Times. He together with His Father, appeared to the boy Joseph Smith in the year 1820, and when Joseph left the grove that day, he knew more of the nature of God than all the learned ministers of the gospel of the ages”
(“Crown of Gospel is Upon Our Heads, Church News, June 20, 1998, p. 7).

A few years later:
"As a church we have critics, many of them. They say we do not believe in the traditional Christ of Christianity. There is some substance to what they say"
(“We look to Christ,” Ensign (Conference Edition), May 2002, p. 90).

and you so-called "apostles" MOCK Christians:
Apostle Bruce R. McConkie on Christians for their “mythical Jesus”:
"And virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit"
(Mormon Doctrine, 1966, p. 269).

this isnt a joke or trolling.
im dead serious.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

and i have BEEN direct with you from the very beginning.
the sources i shared are sources from YOUR book, YOUR "scriptures", YOUR doctrines and beliefs...

Quoting does not equate to understanding. Even Satan can scripture- doesn't mean he's right. You got things wrong. Our choices are here just 2:

1) You can listen while I explain what I believe and we can talk about my relationship with Christ. Yes, my relationship with Christ.
2) Conversation over. "Cult" drum beating equates to conversation over because I got zero interest having lies being told about what I believe. It's a giant waste of time at best.


Simple as that.

 

[Super Kal]

Until you deal with what your own leaders, your own apostles, your own presidents, say, you have no leg to stand on when it concerns "your" beliefs.

You claim I quote, yet don't understand, yet all the quotes that I posted are in their context... Yet you refuse to even read them. How old are you? 18? 19? Even one of your alleged elders would actually read the quotes given, not cavalier dismiss them like you have.

I'm only posting here because I actually genuinely care about people, and what will happen to them on judgment day.. the bible, something you don't read, says to expose the unfruitful works of darkness, not have fellowship with it, Ephesians 5:11.. Paul said in 2 Corinthians 11, there were those who were being let away by another gospel and another Jesus.. if it was happening then, it can happen now, and it IS happening now.

If someone came to me and started to show quotes from a teacher or a particular church that I followed, and was not biblically sound, a good Berean, would search out those writings, check the scriptures, check the person who made the scriptures, and then denounce the person that made the quote, not the person who shared the information with them, like you are trying to do to me, and anyone else who tries to tell you that you are in a deceptively false system of religion.

If you actually want to be in a theological debate, you cannot cavalier dismiss the information that is given to you. You have to address what is being said.. if I were you, I would look up more information about the 13th Mormon president, and Brockbank, and what your book, Doctrines and Covenants, a book that your own congregation calls scripture, has to say about Jesus

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Until you deal with what your own leaders, your own apostles, your own presidents, say, you have no leg to stand on when it concerns "your" beliefs.

You claim I quote, yet don't understand, yet all the quotes that I posted are in their context... Yet you refuse to even read them. How old are you? 18? 19? Even one of your alleged elders would actually read the quotes given, not cavalier dismiss them like you have.

I'm only posting here because I actually genuinely care about people, and what will happen to them on judgment day.. the bible, something you don't read, says to expose the unfruitful works of darkness, not have fellowship with it, Ephesians 5:11.. Paul said in 2 Corinthians 11, there were those who were being let away by another gospel and another Jesus.. if it was happening then, it can happen now, and it IS happening now.

If someone came to me and started to show quotes from a teacher or a particular church that I followed, and was not biblically sound, a good Berean, would search out those writings, check the scriptures, check the person who made the scriptures, and then denounce the person that made the quote, not the person who shared the information with them, like you are trying to do to me, and anyone else who tries to tell you that you are in a deceptively false system of religion.

If you actually want to be in a theological debate, you cannot cavalier dismiss the information that is given to you. You have to address what is being said.. if I were you, I would look up more information about the 13th Mormon president, and Brockbank, and what your book, Doctrines and Covenants, a book that your own congregation calls scripture, has to say about Jesus

You say you care and yet blantently doesn’t care about me, what I believe,Or my relationship with Christ. Hollow words, pride, and sinful behavior. Go away, I got no interest.

 

[Super Kal]

I'm not going to go away just because you don't like what I have to say...

if I see a duck, I'm going to call it a duck. If I see a dog, I am going to call it a dog. And if I see a false religion that is a cult, I am going to call it a false religion that is a cult.. and that is exactly what Mormonism is.

I'm not going to tiptoe around your emotional eggshells just to make you happy.

Jesus christ, the eternal one from the beginning, who is not the "literal" son of the Father, who is of the same nature and essence of the Father, would say the exact same thing to you.

 

[Wrangler]

You say you care and yet blantently doesn’t care about me, what I believe,Or my relationship with Christ. Hollow words, pride, and sinful behavior. Go away, I got no interest.

Sad how this exchange devolved.

 

[Wrangler]

I'm not going to tiptoe around your emotional eggshells just to make you happy.

The book of Super Kal 1:1

 

[Jane_Doe22]

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[Super Kal]

Jesus didnt care about how you feel. He told the truth no matter how offensive it was...
John called Cerinthus "the enemy of truth", and Peter didnt mince words about false teachers in 2 Peter 2 either...

"like natural brute beasts made to be caught and destroyed"

"will utterly perish in their own corruption"

"They are presumptuous, self-willed. They are not afraid to speak evil of dignitaries"

"They are spots and blemishes, carousing in their own deceptions while they feast with you, having eyes full of adultery and that cannot cease from sin, enticing unstable souls. They have a heart trained in covetous practices, and are accursed children"

"These are wells without water, clouds carried by a tempest, for whom is reserved the blackness of darkness forever."

"While they promise them liberty, they themselves are slaves of corruption"

so dont come in with that 70's kumbaya groovy-Jesus junk...

and you can mock me all you want, you're just showing who your real father really is, and it's not the one you mention in Mark 12

 

[Super Kal]

And Jane Doe, the fact I'm saying something, anything, is proof that I actually care about your well-being... If I didn't care about you, I wouldn't have said anything, or I would have said "it's okay, God's going to love you no matter what you do"...

The worst thing I could ever do is not warn the lost about the coming judgment, because that is what we are called to do in Colossians 1:28.

 

[Wrangler]

who your real father really is

And Jane Doe, the fact I'm saying something, anything, is proof that I actually care about your well-being

You write what you believe is true but everyone can see it is disgracefully lacking in grace and humility. Filled with self-righteousness and pride. Who is your real father?

 

[Jane_Doe22]

And Jane Doe, the fact I'm saying something, anything, is proof that I actually care about your well-being.

No, quite the opposite.

If you cared you'd actually bother talking to me. You'd actually bother listening. You'd actually want to talk about my relationship with Christ.

You don't. You walk with pride, literally reciting falsehoods about what I believe to my face. It's really really repulsive and sinful. I have negative interest in this.

 

[Super Kal]

so telling some one is a heretic and is following a different Jesus is "lacking humility and grace"???
have you ever bothered to read Matthew 23 and 2 Peter 2?

and i know who my Father is, and i know the Jesus i follow. He is of the same substance and essence of the Father.

and you dont have a relationship with the Jesus Christ found in the Bible.
you have a relationship with a demon that a fallen angel told Joseph Smith to write about

like your own Mormon president says,
"The traditional Christ of whom they [Christians] speak is not the Christ of whom I speak"

 

[Jane_Doe22]

so telling some one is a heretic and is following a different Jesus is "lacking humility and grace"???
have you ever bothered to read Matthew 23 and 2 Peter 2?

and i know who my Father is, and i know the Jesus i follow. He is of the same substance and essence of the Father.

and you dont have a relationship with the Jesus Christ found in the Bible.
you have a relationship with a demon that a fallen angel told Joseph Smith to write about

like your own Mormon president says,
"The traditional Christ of whom they [Christians] speak is not the Christ of whom I speak"

I've been really patient here, shown lots of charity. But I not obligated to listen to your egostism and yet more falsehoods about me to my face. But you're the "real Christian". Have a nice day, may you come closer and closer to Christ and His love. *I'm now placing you on ignore*