The absurdity of Pretrib logic

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The people of God have always been in tribulation, to whatever degree. That is nothing new.

Already addressed….MEN cause Tribulations UPON Men!

God's wrath is also continually upon the wicked. That is nothing new.

News to me…..since Scripture says no such thing.
Scripture reveals God IS Continually ANGRY at men who ARE AGAINST HIM.
Scripture reveals WRATH is the EFFECTS of Gods ANGER.
Scripture reveal Gods WRATH was ONCE Reveals and so shall it AGAIN be REVEALED…WHEN “HE” at a specific TIME … Order the SEVEN bowls to be poured OUT upon those AGAINST Him.

Your ERROR…God does not “continually” pour out his Wrath!

But, when it comes to the final climatic destruction poured out at Jesus' coming, Scripture shows that we are rescued before that, just like in Noah and Lot's day.

I am quite familiar and confident with Gods Order and Way to PREPARE and Deliver those that ARE HIs, Long Before His tribulations and wrath are sent down from Heaven…to plague the Earth and it’s inhabitants.

 

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It makes no difference to the fact it is a symbolic number located in the most symbolic location in the whole of the Bible. What is more, the phrase "a thousand" is used repeatedly throughout the Word of God to represent an indeterminate figure.

COP OUT… You can pick and choose from the entire Scripture and decide this or that is “symbolic”….a “metaphors”…..not necessary to trust or belief as FACT….

I choose to BELIEVE GOD CAN NOT LIE…and the Scripture He Approves is TRUTH.

See how beautiful FREEWILL is?

 

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Again, more faulty opinion and no Scripture. Your doctrine is extra-biblical! Your avoidance reinforces the Op.

Your continuance with finger pointing while avoiding to reveal your own Standing is like watch a frog boil in a pot.

 

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Again, more faulty opinion and no Scripture. Your doctrine is extra-biblical! Your avoidance reinforces the Op.

You have managed to BORE me and thus focus my memory on:

Prov.23:
[9] Speak not in the ears of a fool: for he will despise the wisdom of thy words.

 

[WPM]

Your continuance with finger pointing while avoiding to reveal your own Standing is like watch a frog boil in a pot.

LOL. Another 3 posts of nothing but rambling and no Scripture. You are doing more to support the Op than I can do by your avoidance. This sums up Pretrib. It is extra-biblical nonsense. It has no source in God's truth.

 

[WPM]

You have managed to BORE me and thus focus my memory on:

Prov.23:
[9] Speak not in the ears of a fool: for he will despise the wisdom of thy words.

You seeking a very simple answer to a complex serious spiritual event…you may find yourself better served by taking advantage of a web site that teaches in elementary language suited for one that is confused by in depth wisdom…called….
FREE Bible Lesson for Kids.

More ad hominem and zero supporting biblical texts. I will take this as a complement that you can see what we can see – your doctrine is devoid of biblical support.

This above has nothing to do with endtimes. It is more rambling. You are clearly bitter and frustrated. I wonder why? You promote a Jesuit doctrine that is not supported by the sacred text. I suspect you know that, thus your growing hostility.

 

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PRETRIB RAPTURE….of Christ’s Church
IS the Lord Gods FULFILLMENT His Promise…

Rev 3:
[10] Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, (trial which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

Christ the Lord be true and call His Church unto Himself….

Ya’ll not included….enjoy your choice of Gods Trib and Wrath…

Glory to God,
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EVER notice…how the bitter, and frustrated, and angry…are the same to use those terms against others….LOL…gaslighters….thinking they deflected from their own failures…

Boring…

 

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LOL….yikes….some people must be feeling extremely on edge, when they have to make up delusional complements for themselves…

 

[WPM]

PRETRIB RAPTURE….of Christ’s Church
IS the Lord Gods FULFILLMENT His Promise…

Rev 3:
[10] Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, (trial which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

Christ the Lord be true and call His Church unto Himself….

Ya’ll not included….enjoy your choice of Gods Trib and Wrath…

Glory to God,
Taken

Here we go again, round and round in your evasive circles. I will try again:

• Where is the Church mentioned in Revelation 3:10?
• Where is a rapture mentioned in Revelation 3:10?
• Where is a 7 yr trib mentioned in Revelation 3:10?
• Where is a 3rd coming mentioned in Revelation 3:10?

 

[The Light]

The Op (that Pretribbers avoid like the plague) exposes your Jesuit teaching.

LOL. There is that nonexistent avoidance claim.

You are a habitual liar. I have addressed this in detail and you have avoided it. You have to! It exposes your error.

DITTO................Nonexistent avoidance claim.

Just the usual empty, fruitless, banter because you are unable to produce any scripture to support your claims. You have to doctor the scripture.............and then you get caught.

 

[The Light]

Here we go again, round and round in your evasive circles. I will try again:

• Where is the Church mentioned in Revelation 3:10?
• Where is a rapture mentioned in Revelation 3:10?
• Where is a 7 yr trib mentioned in Revelation 3:10?
• Where is a 3rd coming mentioned in Revelation 3:10?

Where is the rapture mentioned in the book of Revelation that supports your claims.

You can't even figure out you are post wrath and not post trib.

 

[WPM]

Free Bible Lesson of for Kids / or those with a child’s understanding and need for one liner Scriptural revelations in elementary language….

Adults can continue …. With common sense, that Scripture is a STUDY of multiple passages, revealing bit by bit knowledge, regarding a single topic.

• Where is the Church mentioned in Revelation 3:10?
• Where is a rapture mentioned in Revelation 3:10?
• Where is a 7 yr trib mentioned in Revelation 3:10?
• Where is a 3rd coming mentioned in Revelation 3:10?

 

[WPM]

Where is the rapture mentioned in the book of Revelation that supports your claims.

You can't even figure out you are post wrath and not post trib.

I have answered this multiple times, and you have avoided it multiple times. That sums up the Pretrib approach.

The absurdity of Pretrib logic

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[Super Kal]

Since you appear to have studied Eusebius’ extensive works and speak of his works with authority….perhaps you could QUOTE Eusebius claiming what you have claimed to be his belief…

Glory to God,
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sure
I do want you to know, though, so that we're all on the same page...
I affirm premillennialism, I'm not saying it's wrong... I agree with the early church and their belief in premillennialism...
after all, the Apostle John had two known students of his own, Polycarp of Smyrna and Ignatius of Antioch.
Polycarp had his own student as well, Irenaeus
Irenaeus also had his own student, Hippolytus
it was from Hippolytus that we get the first interpretation that Daniel 9:27 is referencing the seven year tribulation period

one doesnt have to be a Dispensationalist in order to be a premillennial

Eusebius, in regards to Papias, who was a premillennialist:
Ecclesiastical History (book III, ch. 39)
“The same person, moreover, has set down other things as coming to him from unwritten tradition, amongst these some strange parables and instructions of the Savior, and some other things of a more fabulous nature. Amongst these he says that there will be a millennium after the resurrection from the dead, when the personal reign of Christ will be established on earth.”

"To these [writings] belong [Papias's] statement that there will be a period of some thousand years after the resurrection of the dead, and that the kingdom of Christ will be set up in material form on this very earth. I suppose he got these ideas through a misunderstanding of the apostolic accounts, not perceiving that the things said by them were spoken mystically in figures."

https://www.wrs.edu/assets/docs/Journals/1995a/Frank%20-%20Survey%20of%20Early%20Premil.pdf

"For he appears to have been of very limited understanding, as one can see from his discourses. But it was due to him that so many of the Church Fathers after him adopted a like opinion, urging in their own support the antiquity of the man; as for instance Irenaeus and any one else that may have proclaimed similar views."(Ecc. History, 3.39)

"It leads them [believers] to hope for small and mortal things in the kingdom of God and for things such as exist now.”

Eusebius of Caesarea, the Roman Empire, and the Fulfillment of Biblical Prophecy: Reassessing Byzantine Imperial Eschatology in the Age of Constantine | Church History | Cambridge Core

Eusebius of Caesarea, the Roman Empire, and the Fulfillment of Biblical Prophecy: Reassessing Byzantine Imperial Eschatology in the Age of Constantine - Volume 90 Issue 3

www.cambridge.org

Eusebius himself was an amillennialist. He also followed in the footsteps of Origen, highly regarded Origen, and believed that Matthew 24 was a fulfillment of the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD... in other words, he was a preterist.

 

[The Light]

I have answered this multiple times, and you have avoided it multiple times. That sums up the Pretrib approach.

The absurdity of Pretrib logic

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No. You have pretended to have been avoided multiple times.....................HERE IS THE REPSONSE THAT YOU KEEP RUNNING FROM.

Always the same. Deny that you have been addressed. Claim avoidance. It's always about the protecting the false doctrine and never about the truth.

Here are my answers when you asked this before. And yet you claimed I did not answer.
Did you avoid responding to my answers?

Always deny, deny, deny. Never about the truth.

The parallels reveal the increasing degrees of intensity of the intra-Advent conflict between the kingdom of God and the kingdom of darkness, culminating in a great final gathering for battle and the climactic return of Christ to obliterate all rebellion.

I will focus in on the end of each cycle that I have proposed as time and space doesn’t allow me to perform a complete exposition of Revelation.

CYCLE 1 (received on Patmos)

Seven Churches (Ch 2-3).

Although addressed to 7 local churches to sort out local problems. The constant theme of the Coming Christ and His kingdom pervades throughout.
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CYCLE 2 (received in heaven)

Seven Seals (Ch 6-8:1)

The seventh seal is silence in response to the destruction of the world in the sixth seal.

The world is not destroyed at the 6th seal. The sixth seal is the second coming. This coming does not occur at the 7th trumpet.

Jesus returns at the 6th seal for the second harvest. This is the harvest that occurs at the 6th seal

Revelation 14
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

The wrath of God is getting to happen when the 7th seal is opened. Jesus comes at the 6th seal. There is a harvest, and the world is cast into the 1 year, Day of the Lord, wrath of God.

Revelation 6
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Which we also see in Rev 14
Revelation 14
19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

Summary.............Jesus comes at the 6th seal. This is the second coming. THEN the 7th seal is opened and the trumpet of wrath begin. The 7th seal is the one year Day of the Lord.

Revelation 6:12-7:17 gives us the detail of the sixth seal. The first part of the seal (that which is contained within Revelation 6) is given over to describing the wrath of ‘the day of the Lord’ and His judgment upon the wicked. Whereas, the second part of the seal (which takes up the whole of Revelation 7) is given over to describing that which relates to the elect of God on the day of the Lord – the day of His Second Coming.

There is no second part of the 6th seal. Jesus comes. All eyes see the coming of the Lord. They try to hide in caves etc because they know that the 1 year Day of the Lord is about to begin.

The first aspect, is outlined in Revelation 6:12-17, says, “And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; and the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?”

Before the aforementioned destruction is implemented the Lord has to instigate an important deliverance. We find this in the second part of the sixth seal found in Revelation 7:1-4,which says, “And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, Saying, hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.”
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You need to understand that Revelation 14 occurs in the 1st 6 seals as does Rev 13. Those 144,000 have to be sealed before the 5th seal as they are raptured to heaven before the great tribulation. Here is the great tribulation in Revelation 14. And we know that the tribulation of those days is the great tribulation and is OVER at the 6th seal as Christ has returned for a harvest.

Revelation 14
13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

The awful destruction outlined in Revelation 6 CANNOT be perfected until the righteous are totally and completely saved.

“And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.”

The End!!!

Those 144,000 are the first fruits of the second harvest. They do not go through 7th seal wrath of God. They have to be in heaven before the 5th seal which is the great tribulation.

CYCLE 3 (received in heaven)

Seven Trumpets (Ch 8:6-10:7)

Previously in Scripture we have learnt that the coming of the Lord is ushered in by the sound of the trumpet. By clear implication, if the last trump relates to the second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ there must be others that precede it.
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There are other trumpets. The last trump is the last of a series of 100 trumpet blasts. The last trump is blown on the feast of trumpets, the day of the fall fruit harvest. These feasts of God tell us exactly what is going to occur in the last days.

 

[The Light]

I have answered this multiple times, and you have avoided it multiple times. That sums up the Pretrib approach.

The absurdity of Pretrib logic

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CYCLE 4 (received in heaven)

The Church and its onslaught from the devil (Ch 12)

That is not the Church in Rev 12. Those who keep the commandments and have the testimony of Jesus Christ are the seed of the woman which is the twelve tribes across the earth.

including a parallel view of the beast’s (the world anti-Christ system – intra-advent) persecution of the elect (Ch 13) and the simultaneous joy of the redeemed (Ch 14) in heaven (Ch 12-14).

Those are 144,000 from the 12 tribes in heaven. These events in Rev 13 and 14 take place in the 1st 6 seals.

Revelation 14:14-20 says, “And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man (Christ), having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle. And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; For the harvest of the earth is ripe. And he that sat on the cloud (Christ) thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped. And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle. And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe. And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God. And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.”
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This is the gathering from heaven and earth which is the second coming which occurs at the 6th seal BEFORE the 1-year Day of the Lord, wrath of God

The End!!!

CYCLE 5 (received in heaven)

Seven Vials (Ch 16)

If our supposition is to fit perfectly, the final vial, in keeping with the final trumpet, must be an unmistakable description of the second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ and the rapture of the saints. Similarly, it must also be a solemn picture of the outpouring of God’s wrath upon the wicked and the end of the world.

Revelation 16:17-21 declares, “And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, ‘It is done’ (or Gegonen). And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.”

The End!!!
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The trumpets and vials occur in the same timeframe. They are different views with different info of the same timeframe..............The Day of the Lord.

 

[The Light]

I have answered this multiple times, and you have avoided it multiple times. That sums up the Pretrib approach.

The absurdity of Pretrib logic

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CYCLE 6 (received in heaven)

Babylon (17-19)

Revelation 19:7-10 tells us, “Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb."

Here is the great meeting in the air when Jesus comes. This is when the Church throughout time meets Christ in the air. This is the same scene portrayed in 1 Thessalonians 4:14-5:9.

His “wife” is said to have “made herself ready.”

Ready for what?

Ready, “for the marriage of the Lamb.” Whilst we (the Church) have been betrothed to Christ in salvation, the marriage will not be finally consummated until the Bridegroom comes.

Clearly “the marriage of the Lamb” to “his wife” is referring to the final consummation of the relationship between Christ and His bride – the Church – at the second coming. This woman with her innate purity is such a contrast to the whore in the introductory verses that is judged. The two women couldn’t be more diverse. One is judged the other is blessed. The status of the Lamb’s wife is outlined in the passage and confirms her honoured status; “And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.” The bride is the body of believers down through the years, which have placed their trust and eternity on the blood of Christ, whether in the old or the new economy.

The marriage union is the glorification feat where we are eternally changed in order to enjoy God forever – this is the final act of redemption. This is the marriage of the Lamb. In short, a prepared bride is made ready to unite with a prepared bridegroom. For this climactic event she is arrayed in the righteousness of Christ. This is her worthiness for marriage.
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The marriage does not occur in the air. It occurs in heaven.

Revelation 19
And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:

2 For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.

3 And again they said, Alleluia And her smoke rose up for ever and ever.

After “the marriage of the Lamb,” which is the glorification of the saints of all time (including the dead in Christ and the live in Christ), the saints return as an army (following Christ) to destroy the wicked. John continues, “And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword (the Word of God), that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall poimaino (or ‘shepherd’) them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS” (Revelation 19:11-16).

Revelation 19:17-21 continues, “And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; that ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. And the remnant (or those left behind) were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.”
The End!!!
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The armies leave heaven..........where the throne is.

Those who hold the Premillennialist position often advance this passage as support for their mistaken view that Christ is coming back to this earth to reign for a thousand years. However, the word poimaino in this reading which is rendered “rule” in the AV, carries the consistent meaning of Shepherd and shepherding in Scripture.

The picture here is of a Shepherd with a rod. However, this is NO ordinary Shepherd with NO ordinary rod. The Shepherd here is Christ, and He is coming in His wrath at the end of this age to deal with the wicked thus the significance of the rod of iron. He is a jealous Shepherd who is finally coming to destroy those that have attacked His sheep. The shepherding is clearly associated with the FINAL separation.

He is coming with wrath. He will then set up His kingdom on earth as His feet will touch the mount of Olives.

CYCLE 7 (received in heaven)

The figurative binding of Satan from the cross and the victorious reign of the saints in heaven. The ushering in of the New Heaven and the New Earth (Ch 20-22).

Here we have a great spiritual assault upon the Church just prior to the end. In keeping with the rest of Scripture, fire comes down from heaven and devours the wicked.

Revelation 20:11-15 says, “And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.”

CONCLUSION

I don’t believe any open-minded objective Bible student could arrive at any conclusion other than the fact that Revelation is a number of similar parallels taking us up to the Second Advent (the day of God’s wrath) and the end of the world (when time shall undoubtedly be no more). This pattern happens repeatedly through the New Testament. Also, they are clearly intra-advent.
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Here are the parallels short and simple.

Revelation 4 and 5 shows the Lord has come for His bride.
Revelation 6, the 1st 6 seal is what Jesus is telling us in Matthew 24.
The second coming occurs at the 6th seal it is a harvest seen in Rev 14.
The 7th seal is the 1-year day of the Lord, wrath of God.
Wrath is over and the 7th trumpet.

Want another view?
Revelation 13 and 14 occur in the 1st 6 seals
Revelation 16 and 16 occur in the 7th seal

Revelation is written like Genesis 7. We get 3 views of Noah loading the animals, but He only loads them once. We get three views of the flood but there is one flood.

In Revelation we get two views of the 1st 6 seals.................Revelation 6 and Revelation 13-14.
We get two views of the 7th seal wrath of God.......................Revelation 8-11 and Revelation 12-16


So you have been answered again. Where is your detailed point by point response?

You have no fear of God, which is why you don't fear leading others from the truth. This is also why you have no wisdom or understanding.

 

[Douggg]

There is no second part of the 6th seal. Jesus comes. All eyes see the coming of the Lord. They try to hide in caves etc because they know that the 1 year Day of the Lord is about to begin.

The world will see the appearance of the sign of the Son of man in heaven in the sixth seal event.

Then, in fear of being judged, the kings of the earth react and assembly their armies at Armageddon for 45 days.

Then, Jesus descends to earth, His Second Coming, executes judgment and destroys those armies.

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Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: (the sixth seal event)

and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. (Jesus descending to earth, His Second Coming)

 

[Taken]

sure
I do want you to know, though, so that we're all on the same page...
I affirm premillennialism, I'm not saying it's wrong... I agree with the early church and their belief in premillennialism...
after all, the Apostle John had two known students of his own, Polycarp of Smyrna and Ignatius of Antioch.
Polycarp had his own student as well, Irenaeus
Irenaeus also had his own student, Hippolytus
it was from Hippolytus that we get the first interpretation that Daniel 9:27 is referencing the seven year tribulation period

one doesnt have to be a Dispensationalist in order to be a premillennial

Eusebius, in regards to Papias, who was a premillennialist:
Ecclesiastical History (book III, ch. 39)
“The same person, moreover, has set down other things as coming to him from unwritten tradition, amongst these some strange parables and instructions of the Savior, and some other things of a more fabulous nature. Amongst these he says that there will be a millennium after the resurrection from the dead, when the personal reign of Christ will be established on earth.”

"To these [writings] belong [Papias's] statement that there will be a period of some thousand years after the resurrection of the dead, and that the kingdom of Christ will be set up in material form on this very earth. I suppose he got these ideas through a misunderstanding of the apostolic accounts, not perceiving that the things said by them were spoken mystically in figures."

https://www.wrs.edu/assets/docs/Journals/1995a/Frank%20-%20Survey%20of%20Early%20Premil.pdf

"For he appears to have been of very limited understanding, as one can see from his discourses. But it was due to him that so many of the Church Fathers after him adopted a like opinion, urging in their own support the antiquity of the man; as for instance Irenaeus and any one else that may have proclaimed similar views."(Ecc. History, 3.39)

"It leads them [believers] to hope for small and mortal things in the kingdom of God and for things such as exist now.”

Eusebius of Caesarea, the Roman Empire, and the Fulfillment of Biblical Prophecy: Reassessing Byzantine Imperial Eschatology in the Age of Constantine | Church History | Cambridge Core

Eusebius of Caesarea, the Roman Empire, and the Fulfillment of Biblical Prophecy: Reassessing Byzantine Imperial Eschatology in the Age of Constantine - Volume 90 Issue 3

www.cambridge.org

Eusebius himself was an amillennialist. He also followed in the footsteps of Origen, highly regarded Origen, and believed that Matthew 24 was a fulfillment of the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD... in other words, he was a preterist.

Thanks for your effort…really too much he said, he said…
I am content with what Jesus said first hand and his Apostles who heard first hand….and Christ Jesus’ Offering to Give His Understanding to “HIS” Church, of which I joined a long time ago..

God bless you.

Glory to God,
Taken