Why as even, Christians, judgements continue to strive?

[MatthewG]

It’s not enough, for some, to say you believe in the resurrection of the Lord Jesus by the holy spirit of God. It’s not sufficient; they need more “proof.” Like “doing this and this and that and this then your okay!”

Jesus said to someone: judge not lest ye be judged.

Is that true? Nah; it means something totally different some say…

Well in the cases of judgements a person who admits to having CP, a unright is being done, and justice is needed to be served to make right. Don’t mean the unright will be fixed but justice will be served…

But what about in cases, where the person, confides in their belief in the Lord Jesus, even being the child predator… or even despite his set backs… does Yahavah look at him as though he made right with God: despite those actions which are either from the heart or from a messed up childhood trauma…

There are other ways and methods to come up with something to say and share, maybe the case of a murderer but they aren’t looked down on as much as a person who preys on children.

Judge not lest you be judged… can all people come to Christ even in their issues, but does everyone overcome “all obstacles.”

No way… no way in heck… sure in Christ but you still have that body to deal with don’t you? And no one is perfect? It’s only Christ in us, which makes us “mature spiritually” but the flesh is still there….

 

[RedFan]

Jesus said to someone: judge not lest ye be judged.

Is that true?

We will all be judged. Those of us who judge others will be judged. Those of us who don't judge others will be judged. We will all be judged. So "judge not lest ye be judged," if it means "judge not in order that ye not be judged," is false.

 

[MatthewG]

We will all be judged. Those of us who judge others will be judged. Those of us who don't judge others will be judged. We will all be judged. So "judge not lest ye be judged," if it means "judge not in order that ye not be judged," is false.

Hello Red; did it sound like I had said that? I believe it’s more of a kind of… accepting the persons confession… and not judge their salvation, even despite their own actions. Which are meted out by justice, because of their actions.

 

[RedFan]

Hello Red; did it sound like I had said that? I believe it’s more of a kind of… accepting the persons confession… and not judge their salvation, even despite their own actions. Which are meted out by justice, because of their actions.

It did sound that way to me. My view on the proper meaning of the quote is that we are admonished not to judge people harshly, lest we be judged harshly, but rather to be forgiving, so that we too will be forgiven. (a la Matt. 6:14).

 

[christsavedme]

It’s not enough, for some, to say you believe in the resurrection of the Lord Jesus by the holy spirit of God. It’s not sufficient; they need more “proof.” Like “doing this and this and that and this then your okay!”

Jesus said to someone: judge not lest ye be judged.

Is that true? Nah; it means something totally different some say…

Well in the cases of judgements a person who admits to having CP, a unright is being done, and justice is needed to be served to make right. Don’t mean the unright will be fixed but justice will be served…

But what about in cases, where the person, confides in their belief in the Lord Jesus, even being the child predator… or even despite his set backs… does Yahavah look at him as though he made right with God: despite those actions which are either from the heart or from a messed up childhood trauma…

There are other ways and methods to come up with something to say and share, maybe the case of a murderer but they aren’t looked down on as much as a person who preys on children.

Judge not lest you be judged… can all people come to Christ even in their issues, but does everyone overcome “all obstacles.”

No way… no way in heck… sure in Christ but you still have that body to deal with don’t you? And no one is perfect? It’s only Christ in us, which makes us “mature spiritually” but the flesh is still there….

You grapple with the complexities of the human condition and the boundless mercy of God. You are right to question how we can reconcile the darkness of sin with the light of redemption.

The words of Jesus, "Judge not lest ye be judged," are a reminder that we are all sinners in need of forgiveness and that only God can judge the depths of our hearts. It is not for us to decide who is worthy of redemption, for we are all unworthy. Yet, through the sacrament of reconciliation and the power of the Holy Spirit, we can find forgiveness and healing.

It is true that the flesh remains weak, and we all struggle with our own demons. But as St. Paul wrote, "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me." In Christ, we find the strength to overcome, not because we are perfect, but because He is perfect in us.

Let us not forget that the Church is a hospital for sinners, not a museum for saints. We are all patients in need of healing, and our Lord is the Great Physician who desires to heal us. Let us approach Him with humility and trust, knowing that His mercy is boundless and His love is without limit.

 

[MatthewG]

It did sound that way to me. My view on the proper meaning of the quote is that we are admonished not to judge people harshly, lest we be judged harshly, but rather to be forgiving, so that we too will be forgiven. (a la Matt. 6:14).

I hope it did not sound that way to others, Red. Thank you for sharing your reasoning with me.

You grapple with the complexities of the human condition and the boundless mercy of God. You are right to question how we can reconcile the darkness of sin with the light of redemption.

The words of Jesus, "Judge not lest ye be judged," are a reminder that we are all sinners in need of forgiveness and that only God can judge the depths of our hearts. It is not for us to decide who is worthy of redemption, for we are all unworthy. Yet, through the sacrament of reconciliation and the power of the Holy Spirit, we can find forgiveness and healing.

Thank you for your reasonings.

It is true that the flesh remains weak, and we all struggle with our own demons. But as St. Paul wrote, "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me." In Christ, we find the strength to overcome, not because we are perfect, but because He is perfect in us.

What is scary to me is this right here... People who suggest they have overcame things, but really they have not, creating false hope for some... Paul mentioned though "Jesus Christ is the strength which kept him continued grounded in faith." He also proclaimed, "I asked the LORD three times to take this thorn away from me in the flesh." But Grace was sufficient enough despite his set backs.



That is the scary part to me... proclaiming to be a clean person now all by the sake of the flesh is totally a misconception all together!

Let us not forget that the Church is a hospital for sinners, not a museum for saints. We are all patients in need of healing, and our Lord is the Great Physician who desires to heal us. Let us approach Him with humility and trust, knowing that His mercy is boundless and His love is without limit.

Thank you for your edification, CSM.