The Mother is the origin of the harlots

[Spiritual Israelite]

Again:

In Rev. 17, the "whore woman riding the beast" is symbolic for the "apostate church controlling the state".

In Rev. 18, "Babylon" is global religious apostasy, by repeated use of "every, every" and it is also laid next to the global government "kings of the Earth" and global economy "Merchants of the Earth".

Again, Babylon the great of Revelation 17 has the same description of Babylon the great of Revelation 18. Why don't you address that? You're always avoiding any challenges to your doctrine because you're brainwashed and unteachable. Your claim that they are different is ridiculous. Ludicrous. A case of you making scripture say what you want it to say.

Revelation 17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: 2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. 3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: 5 And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth.

Revelation 18:1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory. 2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. 3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

You actually want me to take it seriously that those passages are describing two different Babylons. Think again. That is a complete joke.

BTW, your belief that the dead aren't "surely" dead will deceive you into believing the coming Marian and "dearly departed" apparitions are actually Mary and our beloved dead - not demonic lying "spirits".

LOL!!!!!! I can't take this foolish nonsense seriously. Why in the world would I believe that ludicrous insanity? I do not believe that the souls or spirits of the dead can go away from where they are, which is either in heaven or hell. You are constantly trying to attribute beliefs to me that don't apply to me. What a joke! You are unbelievable. You can't be taken seriously with your buffoonery.

That's why I show you guys why your "proof" texts are no proof at all.

I show you that Babylon the great is described the same in Revelation 17 and 18 and you just foolishly ignore that and believe whatever you want to believe. You show NOTHING except that you don't know what you're talking about most of the time.

I've shown you when Paul wrote "that mortality is swallowed up of "life" he has "life" contextually specified as "clothed upon" - thereby disqualifying naked and unclothed "disembodied souls" as possessing mortality-swallowing "life".

This is why Paul groaned to be "clothed upon" and "not be found naked" - he wanted to be absent from his mortal body, skip lying naked without a body in the grave awaiting resurrection, and just go on to be present with the Lord "clothed upon" in his immortal body - but he knew that only happens "at the last trump".

• If "disembodied souls" go straight to heaven at death, Paul would have never said:
• "if the dead rise not, let us eat, drink, for tomorrow we die"
• "if we have hope in Christ in this life only, we are most miserable"
• "what profit is it for me (to fight in Ephesus)

...he would have said, "Hey, if the dead rise not - who cares? We go straight to heaven regardless!"

LOL. I would try to change the subject, too, if I made the claim you did about two supposedly different Babylons and then was shown that they are the same. I've already proven your nonsense soul sleep belief false, so I don't need to continue doing that. You are too prideful to admit that the descriptions of Babylon the great in Revelation 17 match the descriptions of Babylon the great in Revelation 18. So, you resort to changing the subject instead. Typical tactic of someone who has nothing to refute what I said.

 

[Phoneman777]

I do not believe that the souls or spirits of the dead can go away from where they are, which is either in heaven or hell.

What happens when Mary shows up...or Peter...or your dearly departed loved ones? Will you recognize them as demonic deception?

Before you answer, many, many years ago, an SDA doctor took his wife and two young daughters to the 3rd world to work, and both daughters tragically became ill and died. Completely distraught, he spent months unable to work. As he made plans to return home, he met a very distinguished looking man who invited him to a gathering in a nearby village. Upon arriving, his two dead daughters ran through the crowd and right into his arms. He couldn't believe his eyes. He returned every evening for several days, completely forgetting everything he'd learned from Scripture about the State of the Dead. Finally, he came to his senses and returned to the meet the gentleman one last time, calling out the deception and demanding answers. He wanted to know how the "other side" was planning to convince the world of the lie that "thou shalt not surely die". The gentleman said he'd answer but if he repeated it, he would die. Then, he confessed it would be through indoctrination via the entertainment world.

The doctor returned to his SDA wife, confessed what he'd been doing, and said how the "daughters" absolutely looked, sounded, felt, and even smelled like their dear two daughters. He then told her about what the man had said concerning Satan's planned use of the entertainment world. True to the gentleman's word, the doctor soon passed away. This testimony is from the doctor's own wife who stood up publicly in church and gave it.

Today, "life after death" spiritualism which was non-existent back then is now ubiquitous in mass media, no matter the production, platform, or genre. So, either the wife was lying or not - decide for yourself.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

What happens when Mary shows up...or Peter...or your dearly departed loved ones? Will you recognize them as demonic deception?

Goodness gracious, man. You just won't stop your nonsense. Did you even read what I said? You're coming across as unhinged here. I will say again...I do NOT believe that the souls or spirits of dead people can leave heaven or hell and show up here on earth. Period. Okay, buddy?

Before you answer,

Oh, too late. I already answered. Oh well.

many, many years ago, an SDA doctor took his wife and two young daughters to the 3rd world to work, and both daughters tragically became ill and died. Completely distraught, he spent months unable to work. As he made plans to return home, he met a very distinguished looking man who invited him to a gathering in a nearby village. Upon arriving, his two dead daughters ran through the crowd and right into his arms. He couldn't believe his eyes. He returned every evening for several days, completely forgetting everything he'd learned from Scripture about the State of the Dead. Finally, he came to his senses and returned to the meet the gentleman one last time, calling out the deception and demanding answers. He wanted to know how the "other side" was planning to convince the world of the lie that "thou shalt not surely die". The gentleman said he'd answer but if he repeated it, he would die. Then, he confessed it would be through indoctrination via the entertainment world.

The doctor returned to his SDA wife, confessed what he'd been doing, and said how the "daughters" absolutely looked, sounded, felt, and even smelled like their dear two daughters. He then told her about what the man had said concerning Satan's planned use of the entertainment world. True to the gentleman's word, the doctor soon passed away. This testimony is from the doctor's own wife who stood up publicly in church and gave it.

Today, "life after death" spiritualism which was non-existent back then is now ubiquitous in mass media, no matter the production, platform, or genre. So, either the wife was lying or not - decide for yourself.

LOL! What is this story supposed to mean? This is not the way to determine what scripture teaches. You're always looking outside the Bible to see what the Bible teaches. That's a horrible approach to interpreting scripture. Just stick with scripture. And stop misrepresenting what I believe while you're at it. That does nothing to support your case.

 

[Phoneman777]

Goodness gracious, man. You just won't stop your nonsense. Did you even read what I said? You're coming across as unhinged here. I will say again...I do NOT believe that the souls or spirits of dead people can leave heaven or hell and show up here on earth. Period. Okay, buddy?

Look, a simple "Yes, I would recognize them as demonic deception" would suffice. Would you?.

LOL! What is this story supposed to mean? This is not the way to determine what scripture teaches. You're always looking outside the Bible to see what the Bible teaches.

Wrong - I only look outside the Bible after I've determined what it teaches - and it teaches the dead are dead in the grave, not alive disembodied in heaven or hell.

Guess you've never read 2 Peter 2:9 KJV.

That's a horrible approach to interpreting scripture. Just stick with scripture. And stop misrepresenting what I believe while you're at it. That does nothing to support your case.

Standing up and giving eyewitness testimony to demonic deception both informs and equips us to stand against it.

 

[Stumpmaster]

The world seems to be quite large to be a city.

Exactly what the metaphor depicts.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Look, a simple "Yes, I would recognize them as demonic deception" would suffice. Would you?.

Of course. How could I not recognize it when I clearly said that I don't believe any souls or spirits can leave where they are and go to the earth? Hello? Wake up. I'm tired of your nonsense. I can't take any more of it. I have better things to do than this.

 

[Phoneman777]

Of course. How could I not recognize it when I clearly said that I don't believe any souls or spirits can leave where they are and go to the earth? Hello? Wake up. I'm tired of your nonsense. I can't take any more of it. I have better things to do than this.

A devout SDA physician who knows full well there is no consciousness in death was deceived by the appearance of his two dead daughters, albeit for a short time. If the devil could get to those of us who know better, I'm positive that when Mary appears to you, you'll be the most vocal in condemning anyone who denies it's her.

 

[tailgator]

Exactly what the metaphor depicts.

Not really.
Even the beast is described as being "little"in scripture and it is very little.

It's peoples opinions that it is big.

 

[Stumpmaster]

Not really.
Even the beast is described as being "little"in scripture and it is very little.

It's peoples opinions that it is big.

Babylon is the ungodly world, the ungodly world is Babylon, all the nations aggregate.

For example:
Quote:

When we talk about “all the nations aggregate,” we’re referring to the combined or total sum of something across all nations. In economics, this often relates to metrics like Gross Domestic Product (GDP), which measures the total economic output of all countries combined1.
For example, the aggregate GDP of all nations would be the sum of the GDPs of each individual country, giving us a picture of the global economy as a whole1. This concept helps economists understand and compare economic activity on a global scale.[Copilot]

 

[tailgator]

Babylon is the ungodly world, the ungodly world is Babylon, all the nations aggregate.

For example:
Quote:

When we talk about “all the nations aggregate,” we’re referring to the combined or total sum of something across all nations. In economics, this often relates to metrics like Gross Domestic Product (GDP), which measures the total economic output of all countries combined1.
For example, the aggregate GDP of all nations would be the sum of the GDPs of each individual country, giving us a picture of the global economy as a whole1. This concept helps economists understand and compare economic activity on a global scale.[Copilot]

You must hate the word of God because you have totally ignored it.
When the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit and the he ten horns who hate the prostitute finally come against her on the day of the Lord,your going to be stunned.

By the way,do you know what the day of the Lord is?

 

[Stumpmaster]

Even the beast is described as being "little"in scripture and it is very little.

The first beast rises from sea of sinful humanity, another metaphor.
The second beast rises from the evil earth of vanity.
The abstract symbolism and conceptual imagery leads us to the apex of antiChristian endeavours.

 

[Stumpmaster]

You must hate the word of God because you have totally ignored it.

I don't facilitate ad hominem rhetoric.

 

[tailgator]

The first beast rises from sea of sinful humanity, another metaphor.
The second beast rises from the evil earth of vanity.
The abstract symbolism and conceptual imagery leads us to the apex of antiChristian endeavours.

Yeap,you know nothing at all.