What is Sheol ???

[CC7799]

Sheol in Hebrew means - hell.

Psalm chapter 6

Dead can't praise Lord in sheol.

Sheol is holding place for the spiritually dead and wicked until judgment Day.

They didn't repent.
Complicit with traditions of men and false doctrine. Spiritually polluted.
Dead Works.

Hearers of word are involved in traditions of men.

Doers of word, are involved in sound doctrine. Have good works.

My grandma told me of traditions of men. Well, it doesn't mean she or grandpa is correct.

Some churches condition people minds. Using manipulation or control tactics.

Obviously, They wouldn't recognize the truth, if it was staring them in the face.

Hebrews chapter 5

Congregations should be teachers of God's word after 20 years.

Zephaniah chapter 3

Priests polluted the sanctuary.

Teaching traditions of men and false doctrine.

It's almost impossible to reprogram them. They are set in their ways.

Revelation chapter 20

Milliumum is time of teaching, and discipline for the spiritually dead. Understand, some people didn't have prayer of chance in the flesh, with ignorant shepherds misleading people.

 

[quietthinker]

What is Sheol ???​

She 'ollered at him relentlessly.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Sheol in Hebrew means - hell.

Psalm chapter 6

Dead can't praise Lord in sheol.

Sheol is holding place for the spiritually dead and wicked until judgment Day.

They didn't repent.
Complicit with traditions of men and false doctrine. Spiritually polluted.
Dead Works.

Hearers of word are involved in traditions of men.

Doers of word, are involved in sound doctrine. Have good works.

My grandma told me of traditions of men. Well, it doesn't mean she or grandpa is correct.

Some churches condition people minds. Using manipulation or control tactics.

Obviously, They wouldn't recognize the truth, if it was staring them in the face.

Hebrews chapter 5

Congregations should be teachers of God's word after 20 years.

Zephaniah chapter 3

Priests polluted the sanctuary.

Teaching traditions of men and false doctrine.

It's almost impossible to reprogram them. They are set in their ways.

Revelation chapter 20

Milliumum is time of teaching, and discipline for the spiritually dead. Understand, some people didn't have prayer of chance in the flesh, with ignorant shepherds misleading people.

Technically, Sheol is the place where the sopuls fo the physical dead go.

Until the Ascension of Jesus back into heaven, there were 3 compartments in Sheol/Hades/ Hell/grave.

1. Abrahams Bosom/Paradise. This is the place where the righteous dead went until Jesus ascended.

2. The place of torments- this is where the rich man in the account of Lazarus and the rich man went. This is commonly called hell. It is the place where the lost go until they are cast into teh lake of fire.

3. Tartarus This is where the angels who fell in genesis 6 and had sez with human women are chained until the lake fo fire.

 

[Jack]

Hell will be filled with people who don't believe in Hell!

Matthew 25:41
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

"they will be tormented day and night FOREVER ..."

 

[Scott Downey]

Yes, Hell of torments is still as it was before Christ came and ascended. All that went there are left in that place until the final judgement.

CHRIST, who died and went to hell, but not eternal torments did Christ go and visit, Christ went to Paradise at His death, a compartment of Hell where the righteous dead lived before the ascension of Christ back to the Father.

When Christ ascended, he led the captivity captive as in those righteous dead in Paradise, a good compartment of Hell.
Paradise was caught up by God into heaven so all the righteous dead were completed in Christ at his accension, they were not made perfect apart from us who believe in Christ today.

Hell - Sheol, the abode of all them who passed out of this life at their physical deaths before Christ ascended.
Christ went to them and got them, and caught them all up into heaven when He ascended, that is those God had placed in the good side of death-hell-sheol. Christ being the only way to the Father, so it makes sense that He did that. v8 speaks to this.

Epheisans 4 for context

4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in [c]you all.

Spiritual Gifts​

7 But to each one of us grace was given according to the measure of Christ’s gift.

8 Therefore He says:

“When He ascended on high,
He led captivity captive,
And gave gifts to men.”
9 (Now this, “He ascended”—what does it mean but that He also [d]first descended into the lower parts of the earth? 10 He who descended is also the One who ascended far above all the heavens, that He might fill all things.)

11 And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, 12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the [e]edifying of the body of Christ,

And we read the same in Acts 2 as confirmation of what happened when Christ died

22 “Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a Man attested by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through Him in your midst, as you yourselves also know— 23 Him, being delivered by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God, you [f]have taken by lawless hands, have crucified, and put to death; 24 whom God raised up, having [g]loosed the [h]pains of death, because it was not possible that He should be held by it. 25 For David says concerning Him:

‘I foresaw the Lord always before my face,
For He is at my right hand, that I may not be shaken.
26 Therefore my heart rejoiced, and my tongue was glad;
Moreover my flesh also will rest in hope.
27 For You will not leave my soul in Hades,
Nor will You allow Your Holy One to see corruption.
28 You have made known to me the ways of life;
You will make me full of joy in Your presence.’
29 “Men and brethren, let me speak freely to you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. 30 Therefore, being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that of the fruit of his body, [i]according to the flesh, He would raise up the Christ to sit on his throne, 31 he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption. 32 This Jesus God has raised up, of which we are all witnesses. 33 Therefore being exalted [j]to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He poured out this which you now see and hear.

34 “For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he says himself:

‘The Lord said to my Lord,
“Sit at My right hand,
35 Till I make Your enemies Your footstool.” ’
36 “Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.”

37 Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Men and brethren, what shall we do?”

 

[Scott Downey]

Christ at His death descended into hell and preached to the imprisoned spirits in those places.
So that He might fill all things.
We get small glimpses of that event in 1 Peter 3

18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring [f]us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit, 19 by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison, 20 who formerly were disobedient, [g]when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water. 21 There is also an antitype which now saves us—baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22 who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, angels and authorities and powers having been made subject to Him.

 

[Scott Downey]

At the time of his dying, Christ tells the thief they will both be going to Paradise.
And we know from Peter and Paul, that when Christ died, He descended into the lower parts of the earth into Hell-Hades-Sheol and preached to imprisoned spirits.

Luke 23:42-44
New King James Version
42 Then he said [a]to Jesus, “Lord, remember me when You come into Your kingdom.”

43 And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.”

Jesus Dies on the Cross
44 Now it was about the sixth hour, and there was darkness over all the earth until the ninth hour.

So, on that day, and He was down there 3 days, Paradise and Hell were both down in the lower parts of the earth
Paradise and Abraham's bosom, a place where the righteous dead - justified by God by their faith, abode after death, before Christ ascended.

 

[Scott Downey]

Verses on ascension into heaven.
Ascending into Heaven is all about going to be with God who is in Heaven.
And without Christ no one ascends to the Father in Heaven. Christ is the only way to the Father who is in Heaven.

Trying to get in some other way, is for thieves and robbers. Christ is the door into heaven where God lives.

John 10
7 Then Jesus said to them again, “Most assuredly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep.
8 All who ever came [a]before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them.
9 I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.

1. John 3:13
   No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.
   In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
2. John 20:17
   Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.’ ”
   In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
3. Ephesians 4:8
   Therefore He says: “When He ascended on high, He led captivity captive, And gave gifts to men.”
   In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
4. Ephesians 4:9
   (Now this, “He ascended”—what does it mean but that He also first descended into the lower parts of the earth?
   In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
5. Ephesians 4:10
   He who descended is also the One who ascended far above all the heavens, that He might fill all things.)
   In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
6. Revelation 8:4
   And the smoke of the incense, with the prayers of the saints, ascended before God from the angel’s hand.
   In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
7. Revelation 11:12
   And they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” And they ascended to heaven in a cloud, and their enemies saw them.
   In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

 

[Scott Downey]

(Now this, “He ascended”—what does it mean but that He also first descended into the lower parts of the earth?

Since we know Christ when He died went to Hades-Hell-Sheol, and we know he descended into the lower parts of the earth at His death. Logically we know Hell is as a prison for containing the spirits of them who died, they are not free in the heavens to come and go as they please, they are restrained. And we know that deep in the earth is full of molten rock, fire, tremendous heat.
So you can see the connection to a fiery hell like existence, contained in a prison those who are in torments is deep inside the earth
This is a natural fit logically and scripturally. Hell exists if you believe spirits exist, just as heaven exists. And God contains evil things in these places today until the day of judgement.

God did not allow the dead humans to roam the earth or heavens like the demons and angels. And angels who sinned back at the time of the flood, God locked in everlasting chains in Tartarus to await the final judgement

2 Peter 2
4 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to [b]hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; 5 and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly; 6 and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned them to destruction, making them an example to those who afterward would live ungodly; 7 and delivered righteous Lot, who was oppressed by the filthy conduct of the wicked 8 (for that righteous man, dwelling among them, tormented his righteous soul from day to day by seeing and hearing their lawless deeds)— 9 then the Lord knows how to deliver the godly out of temptations and to reserve the unjust under punishment for the day of judgment, 10 and especially those who walk according to the flesh in the lust of uncleanness and despise authority. They are presumptuous, self-willed. They are not afraid to speak evil of [c]dignitaries, 11 whereas angels, who are greater in power and might, do not bring a reviling accusation against them before the Lord.

 

[Taken]

What is Sheol ???

Sheol ~ Hebrew word for place of the dead.
Hades ~ Greek word for place of the dead.
Hell ~ English word for place of the dead.

Sheol, Hades, Hell ~ underworld, ie in the earth.

Human bodies that are dead…according to customs, preferences, availability…
(Dead bodies begin decaying, stinking, abdomen “exploding” from internal gas build up, rotting}
… Are buried in dirt, caves, crypts, mummified, etc.. or cremated…and buried or spread.

Living souls, (the spiritual breath of God in a living human body) departs out of human dead bodies…

A departed living soul, that WAS AGAINST God, while in its living body …. Shall continue “LIVING” but “separated from God”…(which is a Spiritual death).

Thus it is the Departed Living SOUL, (spiritually dead) that is sent to:
The underworld…in the Earth.
Sheol….Hebrew/Tribesmen of Israel.
Hades…Greek (aka. Gentiles)
Hell…….Typical Gentile English speakers.

Such departed souls continue living…in agony and duress…being separated from God and all comforts and beauty and pleasantness that soul experienced in its body on the face of the Earth, enjoying the comforts, beauty and pleasantness of Gods handiworks.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[IndianaRob]

What is Sheol ???

Sheol ~ Hebrew word for place of the dead.
Hades ~ Greek word for place of the dead.
Hell ~ English word for place of the dead.

Sheol, Hades, Hell ~ underworld, ie in the earth.

Human bodies that are dead…according to customs, preferences, availability…
(Dead bodies begin decaying, stinking, abdomen “exploding” from internal gas build up, rotting}
… Are buried in dirt, caves, crypts, mummified, etc.. or cremated…and buried or spread.

Living souls, (the spiritual breath of God in a living human body) departs out of human dead bodies…

A departed living soul, that WAS AGAINST God, while in its living body …. Shall continue “LIVING” but “separated from God”…(which is a Spiritual death).

Thus it is the Departed Living SOUL, (spiritually dead) that is sent to:
The underworld…in the Earth.
Sheol….Hebrew/Tribesmen of Israel.
Hades…Greek (aka. Gentiles)
Hell…….Typical Gentile English speakers.

Such departed souls continue living…in agony and duress…being separated from God and all comforts and beauty and pleasantness that soul experienced in its body on the face of the Earth, enjoying the comforts, beauty and pleasantness of Gods handiworks.

Glory to God,
Taken

Very helpful post, thank you.

 

[Taken]

Very helpful post, thank you.

There is a valley outside of Jerusalem…historically a type of dump site for garbage to be burned.

There were men who historically also used that area for human (often children) sacrifice rituals to burn them alive.

The “Hebrew” valley called Hinnon.
The “Greek” word for the same valley Gehenna.

The association of fires and screams of those being burned alive became a type of envision of what it might be like IN HELL…
Thus you will find the word “Gehenna” also associated with hell.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Same as their are “divisions”…layers…so to speak …

ON earth…mts, plains, valley’s, seas..
IN heaven…3 heavens, God above the heavens.
Also hell…with the tree of life, a great gulf, without the tree of life…temporary holding place for demons who mated with human women…the pit…abyss..no escape.

You may hear the word Tartarus associated with hell.

Tartarus is a Greek word (expands with Greek mythology), but primarily means deepest place in the earth (pit) for demons with no option to escape.

Demons are spirits. Spirits are not physical entities, and can not die…thus can only become separated from God and their power removed to be able to escape “the pit”.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[theJW-Witness]

Heh! If YOU say so!

 

[Pyreaux]

Heh! If YOU say so!

As a JW, they teach a variant of the Soul Sleeps Doctrine. JWs are just as Sola Scriptura as any, so they ignore Jewish sources that are soundly against that idea. And pick and choose what to take literal, like "sleep" and what not to take literal like, the "Lazarus and the richman" background and narrative.

 

[Jack]

Revelation 20:10
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Amen Jesus!

 

[Pyreaux]

Revelation 20:10
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Amen Jesus!

Spamming makes you seem more annoying than intelligent. This isn't what debating is, because its irrelevant to what anyone said.

 

[Rxlx]

(Now this, “He ascended”—what does it mean but that He also first descended into the lower parts of the earth?

Since we know Christ when He died went to Hades-Hell-Sheol, and we know he descended into the lower parts of the earth at His death. Logically we know Hell is as a prison for containing the spirits of them who died, they are not free in the heavens to come and go as they please, they are restrained. And we know that deep in the earth is full of molten rock, fire, tremendous heat.
So you can see the connection to a fiery hell like existence, contained in a prison those who are in torments is deep inside the earth
This is a natural fit logically and scripturally. Hell exists if you believe spirits exist, just as heaven exists. And God contains evil things in these places today until the day of judgement.

God did not allow the dead humans to roam the earth or heavens like the demons and angels. And angels who sinned back at the time of the flood, God locked in everlasting chains in Tartarus to await the final judgement

2 Peter 2
4 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to [b]hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; 5 and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly; 6 and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned them to destruction, making them an example to those who afterward would live ungodly; 7 and delivered righteous Lot, who was oppressed by the filthy conduct of the wicked 8 (for that righteous man, dwelling among them, tormented his righteous soul from day to day by seeing and hearing their lawless deeds)— 9 then the Lord knows how to deliver the godly out of temptations and to reserve the unjust under punishment for the day of judgment, 10 and especially those who walk according to the flesh in the lust of uncleanness and despise authority. They are presumptuous, self-willed. They are not afraid to speak evil of [c]dignitaries, 11 whereas angels, who are greater in power and might, do not bring a reviling accusation against them before the Lord.

Scott, Get a KJV Study Bible and start learning.
All human dead are in their graves with all thoughts perished.
'Hell' is the place inside the hot water filled Earth that Satan's First Gang of Fallen Angels are held in until being released just as the pope's throne shows.
Scientifically to have flame you must have air and room for the flames to burst into flame?

 

[Rxlx]

As a JW, they teach a variant of the Soul Sleeps Doctrine. JWs are just as Sola Scriptura as any, so they ignore Jewish sources that are soundly against that idea. And pick and choose what to take literal, like "sleep" and what not to take literal like, the "Lazarus and the richman" background and narrative.

Lazarus and rich man was just a parable to illustrate a point.

 

[Rxlx]

Same as their are “divisions”…layers…so to speak …

ON earth…mts, plains, valley’s, seas..
IN heaven…3 heavens, God above the heavens.
Also hell…with the tree of life, a great gulf, without the tree of life…temporary holding place for demons who mated with human women…the pit…abyss..no escape.

You may hear the word Tartarus associated with hell.

Tartarus is a Greek word (expands with Greek mythology), but primarily means deepest place in the earth (pit) for demons with no option to escape.

Demons are spirits. Spirits are not physical entities, and can not die…thus can only become separated from God and their power removed to be able to escape “the pit”.

Glory to God,
Taken

It was Satan's First Gang of Fallen Angels that mated with women to breed the Giants and their descendants the Nephilim.
Those angels are bound insie Earth until being released at end of Millennium to have a Little Season tempting the last of the humans who can be made sinners - tares - so they can be separated and burned to destruction when Satan is bound and tossed in the lake of fire.
The demons that plague Earth today are the earthbound spirits of the drowned Nephilim.