Satan Demons Angels and Spiritual Warfare

[face2face]

How did you conger up that idea, I never said any such foolish thing

It's evidenced from your post's. You called it a concept and not once have you been able to support your belief. The conclusion can only be that you see it as being weak and possibly made up.

 

[Christian Soldier]

It's evidenced from your post's. You called it a concept and not once have you been able to support your belief. The conclusion can only be that you see it as being weak and possibly made up.

I tried to teach you the main rule for studying the bible, you need to understand it to equip yourself before you get lost in confusion as you have evidently done. You have never connected any dots yet, so your theology is completely messed up and incoherent.

I'm trying to teach you the basic rules and correct your erroneous doctrines but you reject sound doctrine. The bible says a wise man loves you for correcting him, but a fool hates you for it.

 

[face2face]

I tried to teach you the main rule for studying the bible, you need to understand it to equip yourself before you get lost in confusion as you have evidently done. You have never connected any dots yengage, but theology is completely messed up and incoherent.

I'm trying to teach you the basic rules and correct your erroneous doctrines but you reject sound doctrine. The bible says a wise man loves you for correcting him, but a fool hates you for it.

It's clear I would need to talk to your pastor as you struggle to support your claims. I'll press on with the evidence of there being no fallen angel, or arch enemy of God in the Bible. Feel free to engage, but please do so with supporting quotes and explanation.

Thanks
F2F

 

[Christian Soldier]

It's clear I would need to talk to your pastor as you struggle to support your claims. I'll press on with the evidence of there being no fallen angel, or arch enemy of God in the Bible. Feel free to engage, but please do so with supporting quotes and explanation.

Thanks
F2F

Dear Sir, I can put you in touch with my Pastor but I know you won't like what you hear from him, as I believe you're unable to endure sound doctrine you have itching ears, so you only embrace false doctrine.

I already gave you 25 verses of scripture confirming who Satan is, but you rejected every verse of Gods Word. I believe you don't have the capacity to handle Gods Word, that's why I suggest you find a faithful Shepherd to teach you the truth about yourself and the truth about God. These two things are the most important, once you learn them, then you can deal with fallen Angels and 0other things.

 

[face2face]

Dear Sir, I can put you in touch with my Pastor but I know you won't like what you hear from him, as I believe you're unable to endure sound doctrine you have itching ears, so you only embrace false doctrine.

I already gave you 25 verses of scripture confirming who Satan is, but you rejected every verse of Gods Word. I believe you don't have the capacity to handle Gods Word, that's why I suggest you find a faithful Shepherd to teach you the truth about yourself and the truth about God. These two things are the most important, once you learn them, then you can deal with fallen Angels and 0other things.

You were unable to support you beliefs, you know this but you resist.

 

[Christian Soldier]

You were unable to support you beliefs, you know this but you resist.

Do you agree that the Bible talks about many things that we know about but it doesn't mention them in the terms we do today.
For example, the Holy Trinity is never mentioned but we refer to the Godhead as the Holy trinity. You think the Bible has to spell everything out in your terms, if it doesn't then you just simple reject it and make God a liar.

 

[face2face]

Do you agree that the Bible talks about many things that we know about but it doesn't mention them in the terms we do today.
For example, the Holy Trinity is never mentioned but we refer to the Godhead as the Holy trinity. You think the Bible has to spell everything out in your terms, if it doesn't then you just simple reject it and make God a liar.

Yes that is false teaching also C. - you are not doing very well are you? Imagine when the scales fall from your eye how remorseful you will be and how angry that those you trusted most decieved you.

Terrible time for all those you represent.

F2F

 

[Christian Soldier]

Yes that is false teaching also C. - you are not doing very well are you? Imagine when the scales fall from your eye how remorseful you will be and how angry that those you trusted most decieved you.

Terrible time for all those you represent.

F2F

I have nothing to fear, my scales fell of some years ago and now I have a straight path to paradise. I know the truth and the truth sets me free. So I'm not in any danger of coming under strong Satanic delusion as like some

 

[face2face]

I have nothing to fear, my scales fell of some years ago and now I have a straight path to paradise. I know the truth and the truth sets me free. So I'm not in any danger of coming under strong Satanic delusion as like some

The delusion comes through the many councils who changed the Gospel into the lie it has become today. As you are seeing your beliefs can no longer be demonstrated through the Word of God, because of the many traditions of men which they are now known by. Hence your comment "For example, the Holy Trinity is never mentioned but we refer to the Godhead as the Holy trinity" and the use of the word concept which you use often are phrases by one who has long left the Inspired Word and turned to fables!

F2F

 

[Christian Soldier]

The delusion comes through the many councils who changed the Gospel into the lie it has become today. As you are seeing your beliefs can no longer be demonstrated through the Word of God, because of the many traditions of men which they are now known by. Hence your comment "For example, the Holy Trinity is never mentioned but we refer to the Godhead as the Holy trinity" and the use of the word concept which you use often are phrases by one who has long left the Inspired Word and turned to fables!

F2F

I have exposed your false doctrine many times, with the word of God. You have never sucessfully defended a single one of your false interpritations. Simply denying that you are wrong, only brings more charges against you.

Don't forget, I have 2000 years of Church Fathers onboard with me, all you have is your private opinions and nothing more

 

[face2face]

Don't forget, I have 2000 years of Church Fathers onboard with me, all you have is your private opinions and nothing more

 

[Christian Soldier]

Love it

 

[face2face]

@ReChoired

You never came back to me on your Acts 26, which you quoted recently, and how this was a fulfillment of Isaiah 42:6-7

42:6 “I, the Lord, officially commission you; I take hold of your hand. I protect you and make you a covenant mediator for people, and a light to the nations (Gentiles), 42:7 to open blind eyes, to release prisoners from dungeons, those who live in darkness from prisons. (The power of Satan of Acts 26) Is 42:6–7.

Notice How Paul was able to call prisons, dungeons and those in the darkness of prisons, the Power of Satan

Paul picks up on this lesson in Hebrews 2:14-end

2:14 Therefore, since the children share in flesh and blood, Jesus likewise shared in their humanity, so that through death he could destroy the one (sin personified) who holds the power of death (that is, the devil), 2:15 and set free those who were held in slavery all their lives by their fear of death. 2:16 For surely his concern is not for angels, but he is concerned for Abraham’s descendants. 2:17 Therefore he had to be made like his brothers and sisters in every respect, so that he could become a merciful and faithful high priest in things relating to God, to make atonement for the sins of the people. 2:18 For since he himself suffered when he was tempted, he is able to help those who are tempted. Heb 2:14–18.

We have the Power of Satan in Acts 26
We have the Power of Death (called Devil) Heb 2
We have the releasing from prisons, dungeons and darness of prisons in Isaiah 42
We have the those set free from the fear of death in Heb 2

I asked you what has the power of death that it holds people in prisons, dungeons and the darkness of prisons and the Bible teaches you that its sin. "The Wages of Sin is Death" therefore, Sin is the principle issue in this creation....it binds all!...except one, Jesus.

So what is the devil (false accuser) & satan (adversary) in all these quotes?

Yes ReChoired, its SIN (1 John 3:4)

F2F

 

[Fred J]

We wrestle against 3 different enemies.

The first enemy is self, we are our own worst enemy. We wrestle against our lust or as some prefer to call it our flesh, same thing. Our lust is the temptation to feed our lust, or as some call it to feed our sinful desires.

Galatians 5:
24. And they that are in Christ's have crucified the flesh with affections and lusts.

Therefore, the one who've not crucified the flesh with affections and lusts, apparently wrestle against the flesh.

21. ......................................, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the Kingdom of GOD.

If one is in Christ and have crucified their flesh with affections and lusts, why do they wrestle still? The answer is because they've not crucified them all, therefore they wrestle with some of it.

The second enemy is the world, by world I mean the all the worldly things. We have to wrestle against the worldly things to keep ourselves from having fellowship with darkness. It might be something like laughing at a dirty joke or watching a Hollywood movie which doesn't glorify God. There are countless ways we can become entangled in worldly things.

How about the worldly people, like unbelievers, do you not wrestle against them? You do, for example, if one slap you on the right cheek, give the left also, and etc.

The third enemy is the Devil, He is always looking for an opening in your armor, He wants to find some dirt on you and then expose it and cause you to lose credibility so you testimony is no longer effective when you share the gospel or witness to your family and friends.

You mentioned Jesus have bound satan and plundered his goods, and chained in the bottomless pit. But here you tell us at present, the devil is near us, looking for an opening and wants to find some dirt.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Galatians 5:
24. And they that are in Christ's have crucified the flesh with affections and lusts.

Therefore, the one who've not crucified the flesh with affections and lusts, apparently wrestle against the flesh.

21. ......................................, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the Kingdom of GOD.

If one is in Christ and have crucified their flesh with affections and lusts, why do they wrestle still? The answer is because they've not crucified them all, therefore they wrestle with some of it.

How about the worldly people, like unbelievers, do you not wrestle against them? You do, for example, if one slap you on the right cheek, give the left also, and etc.

You mentioned Jesus have bound satan and plundered his goods, and chained in the bottomless pit. But here you tell us at present, the devil is near us, looking for an opening and wants to find some dirt.

Your theology is messed up and you make no sense. you deny Gods Word, and twist the scriptures you quoted to make them say something they never said. That is to abuse Gods Word, and it plays right into Satan's hands.

Only a foolish Christian would believe that the flesh has no power over him because He has crucified it. The truth is that the flesh still has you in it's grip, and you will continue to sin until the day you die.

Romans 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
17 But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. 18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find.
19 For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice. 20 Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.

See, we have a born again believer Paul, admitting that he can't control the temptation to sin and sin dominates him as it does all of us. So you need to stop fooling yourself that a Christian has some kind of mystical power to overcome temptation and crucify his own flesh.

A born again Christian cannot stop sinning and we never will stop until the day we die. That's why Christ paid for all of our past, present and future sins.

So , you opinion regarding crucifying the flesh is nonsense. I mentioned the world as being one of our 3 enemies and you said "how about worldly people, like unbelievers" this shows you don't understand what Jesus taught us when He said "if the world hates you, know that it hated Me before it hated you".
According to you world means the soil, rocks, mountains etc. But Jesus referred to the world as unbelievers, but you didn't even know that and you asked a childish question which shows how little you know about the bible.

The Devil is bound so He can no longer deceive Gods people, because Jesus liberated us from bondage to Satan. That means that Satan cannot stop us from being saved by keeping us blind and confused. But it doesn't mean that He can't lie about us to others, His lies can render believers ineffective and disable them so they can't work in the harvest field.

Satan knows He can't deceive Gods elect, but He can use our sins against us and accuse us of being hypocrites and false converts. And that's all He can do, but He is powerless to stop Jesus from building His Church and extending His Kingdom.

 

[Fred J]

Your theology is messed up and you make no sense. you deny Gods Word, and twist the scriptures you quoted to make them say something they never said. That is to abuse Gods Word, and it plays right into Satan's hands.

My theology? Messed up?

In my given replies to your posts, you're the one who twist and put a spin in your theology with some scripture quote. Apparently changing now and then your testament each time we expose in quote fallacy to yours.

Just like a 'chameleon', as the devil disguise himself as an angel of Light, inconsistency confusing and beguiling witnesses.

Only a foolish Christian would believe that the flesh has no power over him because He has crucified it. The truth is that the flesh still has you in it's grip, and you will continue to sin until the day you die.

The scripture is truth and man a liar.

Galatians 5:
16. This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
24. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

'- have crucified the flesh -', meaning have put to death the flesh, and it's works also, period

Believers like you 'wrestle', because partly you're still conscious in the flesh with it's affections and lusts, and partly in the Spirit. Apparently, at times you do gratify it's affections and lusts, and end up confessing as sins.

And if there's no stop to sinning and believers continue in partly flesh and partly Spirit, evidently there's 'wrestle' daily.

Galatians 5:
17. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

Nor either there's no conviction from grace and truth of the New Testament, therefore together are regarded as workers of 'lawlessness or iniquity'. Where at the end on that day meeting the Lord, the Lord will declare for these such to 'depart' from Him.

Matthew 7:
22. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in Thy name have cast out devils? and in Thy name done many wonderful works?
23. And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from Me, ye that work iniquity.

Romans 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
17 But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. 18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find.
19 For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice. 20 Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.

This is while he was in the flesh with the affections and lusts, where sin and death ruled. The context to his salvation and further to live for Christ testifying as well to the church is, Romans chapter 8:

8. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please GOD.
9. But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of GOD dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of HIS.
10. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
13. For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

See, we have a born again believer Paul, admitting that he can't control the temptation to sin and sin dominates him as it does all of us. So you need to stop fooling yourself that a Christian has some kind of mystical power to overcome temptation and crucify his own flesh.

Rather stop fooling yourself and others like you, partly in the flesh and partly in the Spirit, apparently daily 'wrestle'.

Refer above, the power to overcome, based on truth and not your lies beguiling others, is the Holy Ghost, period

A born again Christian cannot stop sinning and we never will stop until the day we die. That's why Christ paid for all of our past, present and future sins.

Paid in full, but what was His condition?

John 8:
11. She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

John 5:
14. Afterwards Jesus findeth him in the Temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.

Matthew 5:
48. Be ye therefore perfect, even as your FATHER which is in Heaven is perfect.

1 John 3:
8. He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning.

So , you opinion regarding crucifying the flesh is nonsense. I mentioned the world as being one of our 3 enemies and you said "how about worldly people, like unbelievers" this shows you don't understand what Jesus taught us when He said "if the world hates you, know that it hated Me before it hated you".
According to you world means the soil, rocks, mountains etc. But Jesus referred to the world as unbelievers, but you didn't even know that and you asked a childish question which shows how little you know about the bible.

The Devil is bound so He can no longer deceive Gods people, because Jesus liberated us from bondage to Satan. That means that Satan cannot stop us from being saved by keeping us blind and confused. But it doesn't mean that He can't lie about us to others, His lies can render believers ineffective and disable them so they can't work in the harvest field.

Satan knows He can't deceive Gods elect, but He can use our sins against us and accuse us of being hypocrites and false converts. And that's all He can do, but He is powerless to stop Jesus from building His Church and extending His Kingdom.

2 Corinthians 11:
14. And no marvel; for satan himself is transformed into an angel of Light.
15. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

Apparently, Jesus said, "You will know hem by their fruit."

Basically, GOD be the truth, and man is a liar, and based on you fruit you fit the description, therefore repent!

 

[Christian Soldier]

Blah, blah, blah!!

In my given replies to your posts, your the one who twist and put a spin on your testament in regards scripture. Apparently changing now and then your testament each time we expose in context fallacy to yours.

Your like a 'chameleon', as the devil disguise himself as an angel of Light, in inconsistency confusing and beguiling witnesses.

The scripture is truth and man is a liar.

Galatians 5:
16. This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
24. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

'- have crucified the flesh -', meaning have put to death the flesh, and it's works also, period

Believers like you 'wrestle', because partly you're still conscious in the flesh with it's affections and lusts, and partly in the Spirit. Apparently, at times you do gratify it's affections and lusts, and end up confessing as sins.

And if there's no stop to sinning and believers continue in partly flesh and partly Spirit, evidently there's 'wrestle' daily.

Galatians 5:
17. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

Nor either there's no conviction from grace and truth of the New Testament, therefore together are regarded as workers of 'lawlessness or iniquity'. Where at the end on that day meeting the Lord, the Lord will declare for these such to 'depart' from Him.

Matthew 7:
22. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in Thy name have cast out devils? and in Thy name done many wonderful works?
23. And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from Me, ye that work iniquity.

This is while he was in the flesh with the affections and lusts, where sin and death ruled. The context to his salvation and further to live for Christ testifying as well to the church is, Romans chapter 8:

8. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please GOD.
9. But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of GOD dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of HIS.
10. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
13. For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

Rather stop fooling yourself and others like you, partly in the flesh and partly in the Spirit, apparently daily 'wrestle'.

Refer above, the power to overcome, based on truth and not your lies beguiling others, is the Holy Ghost, period

Paid in full, but what was His condition?

John 8:
11. She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

John 5:
14. Afterwards Jesus findeth him in the Temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.

Matthew 5:
48. Be ye therefore perfect, even as your FATHER which is in Heaven is perfect.

1 John 3:
8. He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning.

2 Corinthians 11:
14. And no marvel; for satan himself is transformed into an angel of Light.
15. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

Apparently, Jesus said, "You will know hem by their fruit."

Basically, GOD be the truth, and man is a liar, and based on you fruit you fit the description, therefore repent!

Your private opinions can not be supported by Gods Word, because your interpretation of those scriptures you tried to use to support your false doctrine, only served to further expose your false religious beliefs.

You have rejected and denied Gods Word in every verse I gave you. You don't even believe that Paul was converted when he wrote the book of Romans, so according to you the book of Romans is not the inspired Word of God. You say Paul was just blabbing nonsense, that is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. You treat Gods Word like trash.

I gave you verses which confirm that born again believers, can't live for one moment without wrestling against the flesh and the flesh does have it way with us regularly. You can't see this because you reject Gods Word as foolishness, that's exactly what unbelievers do. It's evident that you don't have a faithful Shepherd to teach you the basics, so your Shepherd must be a Wolf in Sheep's clothing.

Your Wolf will never tell you that us Elect Saints of God, still sin but our sins are not counted against us because out Savior has already paid for all of them. You miss that point big time, and those who teach you the doctrine of Demons would never tell you that truth. All of my past, present and future sins were paid in full, so I don't walk in them as they don't stick to me.

You take Jesu's Words way out of context, when He told the prostitute to go and sin no more. Doesn't mean that she would go away and live a sinless life, that's what Satan wants you to believe. And Satan wants you to believe that "you can be perfect, even as your Father in heaven is perfect".
Only a deluded fool would believe they can be perfect like the Heavenly Father. The Fathers favorite person in all of History was a murderer and adulterer, but you claim that we must be good if we are to be saved. That doctrine comes from the pits of hell.

Ads an Elect saint of God, I was not saved by being a good boy as you false gospel teaches. I was saved by Gods grace, and before I was saved, I was Gods enemy and I hated Him, just as all unbelievers do. I will still be overcome by temptation regularly, because lust is very powerful and I can't win every wrestling match against it.

 

[Fred J]

Go on ahead in your partly flesh and partly Spirit faith theology, and wrestling match. Hence, copy and paste scripture taken out of context to justify your 'shortsighted' faith. That, you're a sinner and unable to mortify the deeds of the flesh with the Spirit, and stop sinning. Henceforth, further beguile others to remain where they are like you.

But scripture in context and wisdom given me, teaches me that i have no fellowship with 'imposters' and 'counterfeits' among us.

Dear genuine readers,

Romans 8:
12. Therefore brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13. For if we live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

This epistle is addressed to born again church believers, to be read in their congregation, period

 

[Fred J]

A born again Christian cannot stop sinning and we never will stop until the day we die.

Genuine born again readers, be not beguiled, by false testimonies and doctrine of one who is haughty and wise in one's own conceit.

Romans 8:
8. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please GOD.

 

[face2face]

The Devil is bound so He can no longer deceive Gods people, because Jesus liberated us from bondage to Satan. That means that Satan cannot stop us from being saved by keeping us blind and confused. But it doesn't mean that He can't lie about us to others, His lies can render believers ineffective and disable them so they can't work in the harvest field.

How is this creature bound?