But shun profane and vain babblings

[Spiritual Israelite]

More projection!

It's all they have to offer. Notice what happens any time we start exegeting scripture and showing what it actually teaches. It devolves into a war of insults. That's their tactic to distract from the fact that they have nothing to refute what we're saying.

Jesus very clearly taught that all unbelievers will be killed when He comes again (Matt 24:35-39, Luke 17:26-37), that all of the dead will be resurrected at the same time (John 5:28-29) and that all people will be judged at the same time (Matt 13:36-43, Matt 13:47-50, Matt 25:31-46). It's very noticeable that Premils never want to discuss any of those scriptures.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

It does not say that.

I will repeat: physical resurrection is not even the 1st resurrection believers experience - spiritual resurrection in Christ is, neither is physical resurrection the means we overcome the second death, spiritual resurrection in Christ is. So, whatever way you look at it your doctrine does not add up. Amillennialism is the only position that fits.

Exactly. Look what happens any time we question them about when it is that it becomes the case that the second death has no power over us. Revelation 20:6 strongly implies that one MUST have part in the first resurrection in order for the second death to not have any power over him or her. The second death doesn't have any power now over the souls of the dead in Christ that John saw in heaven. They are already assured to bodily inherit eternal life in the kingdom of God in the new heavens and new earth rather than being cast into the lake of fire. One does not need to be bodily resurrected in order for the second death to not have power over them. Premils never want to address this.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Satan had his way back then in the world, but not after Christ came.

Satan is currently deceiving the whole world, even in many who claim to be Christian.

But, Jesus took the power of death away from him and defeated him by way of His death on the cross.

Are people still dying in the world? Do the saints still physically die? The Spirit is alive in the saints, but the physical body still has a death sentence on it because of sin.

Obviously, no Christian is part of a cult and part of Mystery Babylon.

I believe there is a large number of people who call themselves Christian but are not born again of the Holy Spirit. There is a True Church and there is a false church that has played the harlot by taking up the ways of the world. Many are called, but few are chosen.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Satan is currently deceiving the whole world, even in many who claim to be Christian.

Currently, yes. That's why I believe we are in Satan's little season now. But, don't miss my point here. I'm talking about the time period since the resurrection of Christ. Paul said that in Old Testament times Gentiles had "no hope" and were "without God in the world" (Ephesians 2:11-12) but then the blood of Christ brought them near (Eph 2:13). So, it went from the Gentiles in the world having no hope and being without God in the world to seeing a description in Revelation 7:9 of "a great multitude" being saved. So, don't forget what Christ's death and resurrection accomplished just because of what you see in the world now with its steadily increasing tolerance of abortion, LGBTQ+, pornography, and other wickedness.

Are people still dying in the world? Do the saints still physically die? The Spirit is alive in the saints, but the physical body still has a death sentence on it because of sin.

Yes, of course. Why are you asking these questions? What is your interpretation of this passage:

Hebrews 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; 15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

I feel that premils don't grasp the significance of passages like this.

I believe there is a large number of people who call themselves Christian but are not born again of the Holy Spirit.

I do, too. But, do they say things like I do about Jesus Christ? Do they unashamedly glorify Him as the Great God and Savior of the world that He is like I do? Do they ask Him for wisdom on a regular basis like I do? Do they have the desire to serve Him at all times like I do? You falsely claim that I'm part of a cult and part of Mystery Babylon despite the fact that I repent of my sins and put my full faith and trust in Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior. It makes me wonder why your requirements for being a Christian don't match what is taught in scripture. We are saved by grace through faith and not by works. It does not say we are saved by having the correct interpretation of Revelation 20.

There is a True Church and there is a false church that has played the harlot by taking up the ways of the world. Many are called, but few are chosen.

Yes, of course. I believe in 2 Thess 2:1-12, when Paul talks about the man of sin sitting in the temple of God claiming to be God, it's not talking about some individual Antichrist as many believe, but instead I believe that has a direct relation to the mass falling away that Paul said would happen before Christ's return and it has to do with sinful people who were in the true church (the temple of God) falling away and no longer submitting themselves to God, thereby essentially making themselves God in the process.

 

[tailgator]

Not so. Quite the opposite! Premillennialists keep moving the goal posts every time their claims are disproved. So, we are now in your Millennium in 6024?

About ,4 more years.
3.5 years after Trump gives the beast the armed forces.

 

[tailgator]

This is saying time is nothing to God. You clearly have zero corroboration.

You cannot even give us one single pass second comming passage that teaches that mortals and the wicked survive His glory.

Peter is talking about the coming of the Lord.


8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

 

[WPM]

About ,4 more years.
3.5 years after Trump gives the beast the armed forces.

What nonsense

 

[David in NJ]

It does not say that.

I will repeat: physical resurrection is not even the 1st resurrection believers experience - spiritual resurrection in Christ is, neither is physical resurrection the means we overcome the second death, spiritual resurrection in Christ is. So, whatever way you look at it your doctrine does not add up. Amillennialism is the only position that fits.

It does not say that.

YES, in FACT it does!!!

But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming.

 

[WPM]

Peter is talking about the coming of the Lord.


8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Yes. And it is climactic.

 

[tailgator]

This is saying time is nothing to God. You clearly have zero corroboration.

You cannot even give us one single pass second comming passage that teaches that mortals and the wicked survive His glory.

Like I said ,I understood the millinium was the Sabbath from reading Genesis long before I read Barnabas.It appears that Barnabas understood the same thing I do thousands of years ago.

“Therefore, children, in six days, or in six thousand years, all the prophecies will be fulfilled. Then it says, ‘He rested on the seventh day.’ This signifies at the Second Coming of our Lord Jesus, He will destroy the Antichrist, judge the ungodly, and change the sun, moon, and stars. Then He will truly rest during the Millennial reign, which is the seventh day.”

– Epistle of Barnabas 15:7-9



Peter understood also but your not understanding Peter or Jesus.

 

[David in NJ]

You are noticeably not backing up your claim with scripture.

1 Corinthians 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Paul very clearly indicates that the order of resurrections is Christ's resurrection first and then "AFTERWARD they that are Christ's at his coming".

Please stop trying to make scripture say what you want it to say and accept what Paul actually said.

You have me cracking up here Brother.

Please read it again as it 100% says what it says = CHRIST is the FIRST Resurrection AND all who are His at His Coming.

 

[tailgator]

What nonsense

That's what happens when your blind.
Can't see the signs of the times.

 

[WPM]

YES, in FACT it does!!!

But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming.

Why do you avoid all the holes in your doctrine? This shows you see what we do. Premil is unscriptural.

 

[WPM]

You have me cracking up here Brother.

Please read it again as it 100% says what it says = CHRIST is the FIRST Resurrection AND all who are His at His Coming.

Hello! Jesus is the firstfruits, not us. This damns Premil, who are fighting for that label.

 

[WPM]

That's what happens when your blind.
Can't see the signs of the times.

More projection. Your venom is not received.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

What nonsense

What else can be expected from someone who undermines Paul's teachings by claiming that Paul didn't have the full revelation of Bible prophecy so his teachings can't be used to support end times doctrine. That is what this person tailgator indicated to me when I used 1 Cor 15:22-23 to back up a point I was making.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You have me cracking up here Brother.

I will get the last laugh....brother. You are very clearly in the wrong here. VERY clearly.

Please read it again as it 100% says what it says = CHRIST is the FIRST Resurrection AND all who are His at His Coming.

No, you read it again. I guarantee you have me cracking up harder than you are because you are clearly not reading it carefully at all.

1 Corinthians 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

This ABSOLUTELY does NOT say that those who are His at His coming are the first resurrection. That is ludicrous. Paul said there's an order to the resurrections. There is no order to the resurrections in your false interpretation of the passage. The order is Christ's first. Period! Paul did not say "Christ the firstfruits AND they that are Christ's at is coming", he said "Christ the firstfruits; AFTERWARD they that are Christ's at his coming". So, if you took your premil glasses off that are blinding you, you could clearly see that when Paul said "every man in his own ORDER, the ORDER was Christ's resurrection first. Next in ORDER (AFTERWARD) are "they that are Christ's at his coming". So, you are clearly trying to make this passage say what you want it to say instead of accepting what it actually says.

Acts 26:23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

This was Paul speaking and, once again, we can see that he taught that Christ's resurrection itself was the first resurrection!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Like I said ,I understood the millinium was the Sabbath from reading Genesis long before I read Barnabas.It appears that Barnabas understood the same thing I do thousands of years ago.


– Epistle of Barnabas 15:7-9

Not surprisingly, you have to resort to unbiblical sources to support your doctrine since it's not taught in the Bible anywhere.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Currently, yes. That's why I believe we are in Satan's little season now.

That is because of the Amil doctrine you follow. Satan was cast down from heaven to the earth at the cross per Jesus own words.
John 12:31
Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.

So, don't forget what Christ's death and resurrection accomplished just because of what you see in the world now with its steadily increasing tolerance of abortion, LGBTQ+, pornography, and other wickedness.

For those who believe it accomplished salvation, forgiveness of past sins and being made free from the bondage of sin. But for the unbelieving world it brought forth the start of the judgment as shown above with the coming of Satan. Jesus said when he left the world that darkness would follow, that darkness will remain until Christ returns.

Yes, of course. Why are you asking these questions? What is your interpretation of this passage:

Hebrews 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; 15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

We who are born again of the Spirit are delivered from the power of sin and death. But the power of sin and death is still reigning in the unbelieving world. Satan, Death and the inhabitants of hell are not destroyed until the second death.

Do they ask Him for wisdom on a regular basis like I do? Do they have the desire to serve Him at all times like I do?

I’m glad to hear that you seek wisdom from God because most carnal Christian’s are seeking wisdom from the wrong source, which is carnally minded men.

We are saved by grace through faith and not by works. It does not say we are saved by having the correct interpretation of Revelation 20.

True but it is written
Hosea 4:6
My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

Yes, of course. I believe in 2 Thess 2:1-12, when Paul talks about the man of sin sitting in the temple of God claiming to be God, it's not talking about some individual Antichrist as many believe, but instead I believe that has a direct relation to the mass falling away that Paul said would happen before Christ's return and it has to do with sinful people who were in the true church (the temple of God) falling away and no longer submitting themselves to God, thereby essentially making themselves God in the process.

Yes it has to with the parable Jesus spoke of in Matthew 12: 43-45

 

[David in NJ]

I will get the last laugh....brother. You are very clearly in the wrong here. VERY clearly.


No, you read it again. I guarantee you have me cracking up harder than you are because you are clearly not reading it carefully at all.

1 Corinthians 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

This ABSOLUTELY does NOT say that those who are His at His coming are the first resurrection. That is ludicrous. Paul said there's an order to the resurrections. There is no order to the resurrections in your false interpretation of the passage. The order is Christ's first. Period! Paul did not say "Christ the firstfruits AND they that are Christ's at is coming", he said "Christ the firstfruits; AFTERWARD they that are Christ's at his coming". So, if you took your premil glasses off that are blinding you, you could clearly see that when Paul said "every man in his own ORDER, the ORDER was Christ's resurrection first. Next in ORDER (AFTERWARD) are "they that are Christ's at his coming". So, you are clearly trying to make this passage say what you want it to say instead of accepting what it actually says.

Acts 26:23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

This was Paul speaking and, once again, we can see that he taught that Christ's resurrection itself was the first resurrection!

Where does it say there is more than One Specific Group that signifies "firstfruits"............lol