Who were the effeminate (malakos)?

[Ronald Nolette]

I think Paul is trying to bring to our attention that an effeminate man is likely a homosexual.

Not trying but doing based on what he wrote. Our translations over the centuries and how we change word usage is what can cloud the issue.

 

[Bob Estey]

Not trying but doing based on what he wrote. Our translations over the centuries and how we change word usage is what can cloud the issue.

There is a distinction. It's one thing to say you shouldn't be homosexual. It's something else to say you shouldn't be effeminate. I am of the opinion that you shouldn't be effeminate (OR homosexual).

 

[marks]

There is a distinction. It's one thing to say you shouldn't be homosexual. It's something else to say you shouldn't be effeminate. I am of the opinion that you shouldn't be effeminate (OR homosexual).

There could just be a matter of hormone levels. I think the main idea is to be true to whom God made you, whether male or female. A boy born sufficiently premature may miss out on a lot of the effect of testosterone in their development, as it has a profound affect but later in gestation.

However, the man who purposefully makes himself as if more feminine is wrong to do so, as this rebels against God's creation. And of course same sex relations are the same, rebellion against God's order.

Much love!

 

[amigo de christo]

And maybe it's not just homosexuality. Maybe it leads to pedophilia.

Sure its that too and even other things .
Many have come to seduce the peoples into a lie .
As far as pedophilia
how did it get so out of control . Now before i write what i say next this is not the ONLY reason
but it was a key reason specially within catholicism .
They used to really teach a concept that pastors , aka deacons and bishops
should lead a single life . Guess they forgot the fact peter was married .
But when they did that , they set up a problem .
you see not all men are called to lead that single life .
BUT still you had men that desired to lead people .
So in steps the deacon and bishop .
They were never called to a single life , rather it was an ORDER they had to be in order to teach the church .
Thus temptations would arise and some would even go in the dark and sleep around but remain single .
Not all did that of course .
BUT THEN enters in the far bigger problem . They started annointing effiminate men
who seemed to have zero problem being single .
Well they sure didnt get married . They hid thier sin well . Their desires, however
were targeted at the boys . IF YOU LOOK at the number one act of peodopohlia
within the church , it was MEN ON BOYS . same Sex pardner . THEY let in a trogan horse my friend .
Same sex . man on boy . male with male . Now of course not all cases of this
were man on boy , some men did molest girls . BUT BY far and by large it was same sex .
Then they did a far worse thing as they hid it , only moved these men to another perish .
Rather than removing them . And now
in this last generation they so called love and tolerance generation
THEY HAVE OPENED the flood gate , and the church and society realizes not , for massive sexual perversion
against even children . This generation is out of control with madness and reprobation of mind
and it started out with a word that seemed so harmless and non judgmental , Love and tolerance .
BUT when we tolerate sins within the church , wont be long before said sins become the norm and accepted in said church .
ITS TIME FOR BIBLICAL correction again . and fast too .

 

[amigo de christo]

There is a distinction. It's one thing to say you shouldn't be homosexual. It's something else to say you shouldn't be effeminate. I am of the opinion that you shouldn't be effeminate (OR homosexual).

They tricked and decieved my friend .
You see in the latter part of the last century , by being crafity
they began to try and induce the idea they are born this way .
Now today its nearly impossible to call it sin , due to these tatics .
and the debate rages on in a arena they will win . THEY win not the church .
allow me to explain . The debate of homosexuality is not where it should be .
Rather its stayed in the medical and scientific and physcology realm .
AND A BIG NO NO to try and use the bible to correct it .
That is and will lead to its take over within the church .
You see the question we should be asking ourselves is
not if they are born this way or not born this way
HERE IS THE QUESTION WE SHOULD base EVERYTHING ON , HOW DOES GOD VIEW IT .
BINGO .
IF WE DID THAT , MAN it would stand no chance . But they wont do that .
they keep debating this topic through the carnal reasoning of men . THEY LOSE DOING THAT .
Because since when can the carnal mind ever be subject unto the things of GOD .
SO HERE IS the KEY .
WHEN we debate anything , GO IN WITH , WE SUPPORT the way GOD SEES IT .
I mean even the idea of a pedophile being born that way is now making inroads in
ASK NOT , debate not with are they born this way , DEBATE IT WITH , HOW GOD VIEWS IT .

 

[amigo de christo]

There is a distinction. It's one thing to say you shouldn't be homosexual. It's something else to say you shouldn't be effeminate. I am of the opinion that you shouldn't be effeminate (OR homosexual).

I could prove they are not born that way
but the far more effective thing to do is , REMIND the peoples That to GOD IT IS SIN .
For example back in the late eighties
when some fringe science and etc had began to teach and come up with concepts they are born this way
How quickly i knew it to be a lie .
You see i had two twin , identical twin uncles . ONE was , the other was not gay .
THEY do try and use the excuse saying , but hey they must be born this way
or why would even small children have those thoughts .
TO WHICH I say , CAUSE CHILDREN can be tempted and are tempted by satan to do evil .
AND we are not to let the child determine what they think they are , RATHER TO RAISE UP teh child in the way HE or she should go .
But as i said , the main key thing here is , SHOW them even in the bible , EVEN IN NEW TEST
that it is viewed as sin . And as sin it must not be allowed to remain uncorrected in the church
but rather exposed as sin . and correction done unto those who wont repent of it .

 

[amigo de christo]

There could just be a matter of hormone levels. I think the main idea is to be true to whom God made you, whether male or female. A boy born sufficiently premature may miss out on a lot of the effect of testosterone in their development, as it has a profound affect but later in gestation.

However, the man who purposefully makes himself as if more feminine is wrong to do so, as this rebels against God's creation. And of course same sex relations are the same, rebellion against God's order.

Much love!

debating through science i see . This is how the church loses the argument .
Ask not whether or not one is born this way or that way
ASK RATHER , HOW DOES GOD HIMSELF VIEW THE ACTION . IT IS SIN mark .
and the devil sure knows how to twist medicine and science so as to get society to accept it .
HE is one slick one that devil is my friend .
WE MUST DEBATE THROUGH the word and words of GOD .
But as you see the ones who honor their sin
have set up the church to debate ONLY through the lens of science , physcologies , hormoes and etc
THE CHURCH LOSES MARK .
WE must debate on HOW GOD VIEWS IT . This is also the far best way to
convict them of thier sin .

 

[ThePuffyBlob]

And maybe it's not just homosexuality. Maybe it leads to pedophilia.

i do not think pedophilia is a crime in the ancient times it is a crime in modern times the same as eating dog meat but it is not a sin in the bible but of course doing it with toddlers and the likes is too much

 

[amigo de christo]

There could just be a matter of hormone levels. I think the main idea is to be true to whom God made you, whether male or female. A boy born sufficiently premature may miss out on a lot of the effect of testosterone in their development, as it has a profound affect but later in gestation.

However, the man who purposefully makes himself as if more feminine is wrong to do so, as this rebels against God's creation. And of course same sex relations are the same, rebellion against God's order.

Much love!

I was born big time premature . I didnt lose out on anything and GOD is in control .
This scienctific stuff has been altered mark . satan is working through so called medicine , physcologies , sciences
and if we try and debate through carnal logic , well we end up fall short and satan knows it mark . HE KNOWS IT .
Its time for us not to be ashamed of the truth in that bible .
SIN is sin , GOD will never approve of it . He can save folks , HIS desire IS TO SAVE THEM
but its not saving those lost in sin if their sin becomes the norm or is accepted .
Satan knows , oh mark he knows how to twist things . to bring in angles of truths
and use said truths to promote a LIE mark . HE is full of wisdom , says the bible and
through the carnal reasoning of men , HE CANNOT be overcome , only he will overcome the man
whose mind is stayed upon carnal wisdom . ITS ONLY IN CHRIST JESUS
and we must make our stand on that bible again . be learning it , NOT SCIENCE as a means to debate
be learning it , NOT medicine as a means to debate . Not phycoloiges and wisdom of men as a means to debate .
RATHER USE the BIBLE and GOD will give us a mouth to say what needs to also be said .
ITS TIME for an all out exodus of mens wisdom and an all out entrodus back into the bible to learn again .
Society and worse churches now set the tone for debate , and they do so through
carnal logic and reasoning . AND LOOK at how well that has worked out for the church . IT AINT .

 

[amigo de christo]

i do not think pedophilia is a crime in the ancient times it is a crime in modern times the same as eating dog meat but it is not a sin in the bible but of course doing it with toddlers and the likes is too much

Whether or not man views something as a crime or not
Is not what matters in the end . ITS HOW GOD VIEWED that matters . AND i can assure us all
HE do not support same sex or peodihilia . or a lot of other things i also seem to see
the churches embracing , let alone the world .
ITS BIBLE TIME again my friends .
Remember its not me , its not you , its not society , its not govts , men or any other that determines
that which is right or wrong . IT BE GOD and HE ALONE . and its about high time
we pay HIM THE HONOR DUE TO HIM .

 

[amigo de christo]

The churches have been decieved into honoring men and thier so called pratices
and by said methods DISIHONOR THE MOST HOLY .
ITS TIME that ends and time we pick up the bible again and let us serve THE GOD and FATHER of our LORD JESUS THE CHRIST .
too many serve another god and its christ . please undestand why neither that god or that christ
got captilized . cause the dragon has him many anti christs . its not looking good folks .
TIME TO PUT GOD FIRST AGAIN , if we did so then even the very peoples would have been taken care of the way they should have been .

 

[amigo de christo]

IF a man comes and hollers love , or even GOD is love
and yet his love does not rejoice in the TRUTH , then know and understand that love has come of the world
NOT OF GOD , and it has come in to decieve .
CHARITY REJOICES IN TRUTH , NOT IN INQUITY . we had better keep that in mind
the next time one be rejoicing in a lie and saying love love love . cause that AINT LOVE nor is it of GOD .
and another gospel is not LOVE no matter how caring and loving it might seem to be .
WE need to get ourselves back into the bible and stay in that bible and be in prayer and learning .

 

[Bob Estey]

i do not think pedophilia is a crime in the ancient times it is a crime in modern times the same as eating dog meat but it is not a sin in the bible but of course doing it with toddlers and the likes is too much

It has always been a sin to look lustfully on a person, be it a child or an adult. Matthew 5:28

 

[Ronald Nolette]

There is a distinction. It's one thing to say you shouldn't be homosexual. It's something else to say you shouldn't be effeminate. I am of the opinion that you shouldn't be effeminate (OR homosexual).

Well if you attach homosexuality to effeminate then yes. but you can have a full heterosexual man who has strong effeminate qualities do to nurture and upbringing. Of course I am using the modern definition of effeminate.

Effeminate means having or displaying qualities traditionally considered more suitable for women1. It can also mean marked by an unbecoming delicacy or overrefinement2.

 

[amigo de christo]

Well if you attach homosexuality to effeminate then yes. but you can have a full heterosexual man who has strong effeminate qualities do to nurture and upbringing. Of course I am using the modern definition of effeminate.

Effeminate means having or displaying qualities traditionally considered more suitable for women1. It can also mean marked by an unbecoming delicacy or overrefinement2.

men do as men do , the world do as the world do . But if we raise them children up according to the biblical pattern
YA AINT gonna have womenly men . Now if you raise them up according to the world
and sold out churches , YOU WILL . men now take a seat and the women and children lead this people .
And if a man even dares to speak up and to be bold , THEY PUT HIM IN HIS PLACE FAST .
But no worries , I DONT HEED the garbage most churches sell or what the world sells either .
This lamb heeds not the great sale being pitched by todays salesmen as they sell a lie to the peoples .
This lamb has done sailed far from it . enjoy the three forms of the word sale , sell and sail . Cause this lamb
has left the building of men gone wrong . Me is on the one true ark and the bible , IS MY BOOK by which i learn .

 

[amigo de christo]

Well if you attach homosexuality to effeminate then yes. but you can have a full heterosexual man who has strong effeminate qualities do to nurture and upbringing. Of course I am using the modern definition of effeminate.

Effeminate means having or displaying qualities traditionally considered more suitable for women1. It can also mean marked by an unbecoming delicacy or overrefinement2.

society and worse the churches have raised up men and children to get in touch with they femine side .
BIG MISTAKE that one was . BIG MISTAKE . and it sure do seem to me that far too many
have gotten far too IN TOUCH with said FEMININE side too . and the women by guise
of feminism and sold out churches have got way too in touch with the MASCULINE side .
And now they both been sold out to sit under the children and let the child teach them .
NOT LOOKING GOOD . This people sit under women and the children do lead them . PS , that is actually
written in scripture too . LOOKS like there really is nutting too new under the old sun .
As wtih the jew so too with christendom . ITS all tanking and very fast too .
SOON they all will merge under what they think is love and is GOD . only its satan . not looking good .
BUT , BIBLE IS MY BOOK , and not you or any preacher or any man gonna pry that book out of my mind and my heart .
You may do so from my cold dead fingers . BUT I will long be gone by the time this body is cold .
I made my choice , I only wish others would have done the same .

 

[ThePuffyBlob]

Whether or not man views something as a crime or not
Is not what matters in the end . ITS HOW GOD VIEWED that matters . AND i can assure us all
HE do not support same sex or peodihilia . or a lot of other things i also seem to see
the churches embracing , let alone the world .
ITS BIBLE TIME again my friends .
Remember its not me , its not you , its not society , its not govts , men or any other that determines
that which is right or wrong . IT BE GOD and HE ALONE . and its about high time
we pay HIM THE HONOR DUE TO HIM .

It's not that I support pedophilia, but you may be old while I am young. Still, age is just a number—God sees us all as children. So, is love between an adult and a minor, like a 20-year-old and a 13-year-old, truly a crime when, in God's eyes, everyone is just like a little child?

 

[ThePuffyBlob]

It has always been a sin to look lustfully on a person, be it a child or an adult. Matthew 5:28

but I never said anything about that
My point is, I replied to you because of pedophilia, but why are you saying something different to me now? What did you expect me to say? Of course, I'm speechless.

 

[Wick Stick]

An effeminate person is a man who has the mannerisms of a woman.

...except that isn't the meaning of the Greek word translated 'effiminate' in the KJV.

Blame the translator?

 

[Wick Stick]

But lesbians are okay, right?

Depends... are they effiminate?