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There is a warning I have learned a long time ago in highschool auto mechanics class and saw an incident later in life regarding the extreme temperatures of engine coolant. We are warned to never open or attempt to loosen the coolant radiator cap. And that probably applies to other areas of high temperature gas engine operations including oil temperatures. The car must naturally be allowed to cool before checking oil or checking other high temperature fluids including engine coolant.

I was taught a little of chemistry and learned about characters of fluids related to thermal (which is basically heat) characters of different fluids. There is a specific heat capacity related to the amount of thermal energy a fluid can store and that will determine what temperature it reaches with a given amount of thermal energy transferred into it. There is also the characteristic of thermal conductance, which is the rate at which thermal energy conductions thru the fluid and into surrounding materials. The basic laws of thermodynamics states that heat will migrate natural to colder regions, like an electrical ground. We all know that lightning conducts from the surface, which is an electric tension ground, to the clouds. It is a build up of tension and follows the path of least resistance (resistance is the act of stopping or slowing electrical energy flow). And heat energy works the same.

Long story short, I had a highschool friend that was not educated on the high temperatures and dangerous associate with allowing them to touch your skin surface. The car overheated to extreme temperature (and normal operation is already high temperature for the fluids used in the engine process to power the vehicle). He unknowingly opening the radiator fluid (which is designed as a material to only boil at a temperature that the car normally would operate within) cap. The radiator fluid had reached boiling and when he opened the cap it shot out a very high temperature wet gas which included liquids. It engulfed his arm with that material at which time he pulled away. When I looked at his arm in the middle of sort of a mental shock, his skin had slight melted which concerned me for his health. We called an ambulance and he got immediate medical attention from the aid car. They applied first aid for the "burns" on his arm which was good that they were able to get there immediately.

And I'm writing this to help people understand some of the things we shouldn't attempt to do with a gas engine car.

I'm unfamiliar with electric vehicles but would love some advice related to them as well.
 

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There is a warning I have learned a long time ago in highschool auto mechanics class and saw an incident later in life regarding the extreme temperatures of engine coolant. We are warned to never open or attempt to loosen the coolant radiator cap. And that probably applies to other areas of high temperature gas engine operations including oil temperatures. The car must naturally be allowed to cool before checking oil or checking other high temperature fluids including engine coolant.

I was taught a little of chemistry and learned about characters of fluids related to thermal (which is basically heat) characters of different fluids. There is a specific heat capacity related to the amount of thermal energy a fluid can store and that will determine what temperature it reaches with a given amount of thermal energy transferred into it. There is also the characteristic of thermal conductance, which is the rate at which thermal energy conductions thru the fluid and into surrounding materials. The basic laws of thermodynamics states that heat will migrate natural to colder regions, like an electrical ground. We all know that lightning conducts from the surface, which is an electric tension ground, to the clouds. It is a build up of tension and follows the path of least resistance (resistance is the act of stopping or slowing electrical energy flow). And heat energy works the same.

Long story short, I had a highschool friend that was not educated on the high temperatures and dangerous associate with allowing them to touch your skin surface. The car overheated to extreme temperature (and normal operation is already high temperature for the fluids used in the engine process to power the vehicle). He unknowingly opening the radiator fluid (which is designed as a material to only boil at a temperature that the car normally would operate within) cap. The radiator fluid had reached boiling and when he opened the cap it shot out a very high temperature wet gas which included liquids. It engulfed his arm with that material at which time he pulled away. When I looked at his arm in the middle of sort of a mental shock, his skin had slight melted which concerned me for his health. We called an ambulance and he got immediate medical attention from the aid car. They applied first aid for the "burns" on his arm which was good that they were able to get there immediately.

And I'm writing this to help people understand some of the things we shouldn't attempt to do with a gas engine car.

I'm unfamiliar with electric vehicles but would love some advice related to them as well.
I was taught to check the engine oil when the car is hot, but not running. I can't think of a reason why that is necessary. Perhaps it is to get an oil level taking into account the oil coating the internals of the engine.

When changing the oil, I can see doing it hot to get more of the oil out as higher temperatures lowers viscosity.
 
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I was taught to check the engine oil when the car is hot, but not running. I can't think of a reason why that is necessary. Perhaps it is to get an oil level taking into account the oil coating the internals of the engine.

When changing the oil, I can see doing it hot to get more of the oil out as higher temperatures lowers viscosity.
A licensed mechanic would know not to directly contact hot oil. Oil has specific heat capacity that is probably greater than boiling water and boils at a higher temperature which can be deceiving.

"Engine oil on gasoline engines averages about 240°F, and on diesels it runs about 210°F. Engine oil on gasoline engines averages about 240°F, and on diesels it runs about 210°F. Extreme heat or cold can damage your engine. If your engine oil is too cold, it can get too thick." https://www.carparts.com/blog/what-is-the-normal-temperature-of-engine-oil/

"The boiling point of water is 212 °F (100 °C)." https://ask.usda.gov/s/article/What-is-the-boiling-point-of-water
 

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A licensed mechanic would know not to directly contact hot oil. Oil has specific heat capacity that is probably greater than boiling water and boils at a higher temperature which can be deceiving.

"Engine oil on gasoline engines averages about 240°F, and on diesels it runs about 210°F. Engine oil on gasoline engines averages about 240°F, and on diesels it runs about 210°F. Extreme heat or cold can damage your engine. If your engine oil is too cold, it can get too thick." https://www.carparts.com/blog/what-is-the-normal-temperature-of-engine-oil/

"The boiling point of water is 212 °F (100 °C)." https://ask.usda.gov/s/article/What-is-the-boiling-point-of-water
Changed my oil a few times, always fun unscrewing the drain plug by hand after you loosen it. Then moving your hand out of the way of the hot oil as it gushes out.
 

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Changed my oil a few times, always fun unscrewing the drain plug by hand after you loosen it. Then moving your hand out of the way of the hot oil as it gushes out.
I know the feeling. I used to do that when I was young. I think you still have to properly dispose of the oil at some pick up station or something, that was a long time ago for me.
 

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There is a warning I have learned a long time ago in highschool auto mechanics class and saw an incident later in life regarding the extreme temperatures of engine coolant. We are warned to never open or attempt to loosen the coolant radiator cap. And that probably applies to other areas of high temperature gas engine operations including oil temperatures. The car must naturally be allowed to cool before checking oil or checking other high temperature fluids including engine coolant.

I was taught a little of chemistry and learned about characters of fluids related to thermal (which is basically heat) characters of different fluids. There is a specific heat capacity related to the amount of thermal energy a fluid can store and that will determine what temperature it reaches with a given amount of thermal energy transferred into it. There is also the characteristic of thermal conductance, which is the rate at which thermal energy conductions thru the fluid and into surrounding materials. The basic laws of thermodynamics states that heat will migrate natural to colder regions, like an electrical ground. We all know that lightning conducts from the surface, which is an electric tension ground, to the clouds. It is a build up of tension and follows the path of least resistance (resistance is the act of stopping or slowing electrical energy flow). And heat energy works the same.

Long story short, I had a highschool friend that was not educated on the high temperatures and dangerous associate with allowing them to touch your skin surface. The car overheated to extreme temperature (and normal operation is already high temperature for the fluids used in the engine process to power the vehicle). He unknowingly opening the radiator fluid (which is designed as a material to only boil at a temperature that the car normally would operate within) cap. The radiator fluid had reached boiling and when he opened the cap it shot out a very high temperature wet gas which included liquids. It engulfed his arm with that material at which time he pulled away. When I looked at his arm in the middle of sort of a mental shock, his skin had slight melted which concerned me for his health. We called an ambulance and he got immediate medical attention from the aid car. They applied first aid for the "burns" on his arm which was good that they were able to get there immediately.

And I'm writing this to help people understand some of the things we shouldn't attempt to do with a gas engine car.

I'm unfamiliar with electric vehicles but would love some advice related to them as well.
Never, ever buy an electric vehicle. At some point, you will have to replace the rechargeable batteries which are only good for so many recharges. When that happens, it will cost you a small fortune! And that's besides all the other problems like limited mileage and the long time it takes to recharge the batteries.
 
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I was taught to check the engine oil when the car is hot, but not running. I can't think of a reason why that is necessary. Perhaps it is to get an oil level taking into account the oil coating the internals of the engine.

When changing the oil, I can see doing it hot to get more of the oil out as higher temperatures lowers viscosity.
That is only the Automatic oil in regards the level to be checked when hot. that was back in the days that their was an Auto dipstick to check. not the engine oil tho.
Automatic oil are sealed nowadays, so not dipsticks anymore, this was more to do with that their are no more Service Stations anymore that once did that job when you filled up for fuel.
So when the Service Stations service days ended. people were puting engine oil in the Auto transmission and not Auto trans oil ? or water in where the oil should go etc !


By rights nowadays the newer cars have a radiator recovery system that is a bottle hanging to the side hooked up to the radiator by a small thin hose. this is what you now check the level by, so you should never have to take the radiator cap off a modern car, from about 1990's on this system came into being the norm, but now some do not even have a radiator cap in fact.

The thing is, if one does not know what they are doing do not do it !

Not to mention a mate up the road was a Service Station boy once back in the 80's so he comes and sees me working on a modern car and i have to get rid of him because he will play with things that are past his level of understanding, he does not have a clue ! he thinks it's all like back in the 80's cars.
I am like do not touch that at all !!! Air flow sensor for they are $1000 and if touched in the wrong spot or tapped they can brake for sure so do not touch it at all !!! and do not play with the electronic throttle body as they have to be handled in a way but not played with or else they are buggered up ! could be $2000 but he does not believe it ! not to mention he is too gun ho, do not rush into doing something or you could brake something ! so unless you have dealt with such a car before be carful and think it through before hand.
 

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In Australia we have a number plate and if you have LPG it is stated on the number plate so to with Electric cars.

So if you see a LPG car in a smash and you think to go help the person out, keep in mind it's a LPG car same with an Electric car.

Even with a Petrol car their are things to be carfull of, older cars if up side down or on their side can spill fuel out of the tank filler, i have seen that pouring out like you would not believe, but on newer cars they should have a flap in the neck of the tank that stops fuel coming out so much, mine in my new car disapered when it was maybe 2yo, you could see it when filling it up with fuel once but she's broken off n gone now.

Electric cars do not try to put a fire out ! I would not have a electric car in my garage, because it's under the house. because they can go on fire. the same with charging some things be carfull where you charge it ! if it were to go on fire have a plan in place as to what to do.
 

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There is a warning I have learned a long time ago in highschool auto mechanics class and saw an incident later in life regarding the extreme temperatures of engine coolant. We are warned to never open or attempt to loosen the coolant radiator cap. And that probably applies to other areas of high temperature gas engine operations including oil temperatures. The car must naturally be allowed to cool before checking oil or checking other high temperature fluids including engine coolant.

I was taught a little of chemistry and learned about characters of fluids related to thermal (which is basically heat) characters of different fluids. There is a specific heat capacity related to the amount of thermal energy a fluid can store and that will determine what temperature it reaches with a given amount of thermal energy transferred into it. There is also the characteristic of thermal conductance, which is the rate at which thermal energy conductions thru the fluid and into surrounding materials. The basic laws of thermodynamics states that heat will migrate natural to colder regions, like an electrical ground. We all know that lightning conducts from the surface, which is an electric tension ground, to the clouds. It is a build up of tension and follows the path of least resistance (resistance is the act of stopping or slowing electrical energy flow). And heat energy works the same.

Long story short, I had a highschool friend that was not educated on the high temperatures and dangerous associate with allowing them to touch your skin surface. The car overheated to extreme temperature (and normal operation is already high temperature for the fluids used in the engine process to power the vehicle). He unknowingly opening the radiator fluid (which is designed as a material to only boil at a temperature that the car normally would operate within) cap. The radiator fluid had reached boiling and when he opened the cap it shot out a very high temperature wet gas which included liquids. It engulfed his arm with that material at which time he pulled away. When I looked at his arm in the middle of sort of a mental shock, his skin had slight melted which concerned me for his health. We called an ambulance and he got immediate medical attention from the aid car. They applied first aid for the "burns" on his arm which was good that they were able to get there immediately.

And I'm writing this to help people understand some of the things we shouldn't attempt to do with a gas engine car.

I'm unfamiliar with electric vehicles but would love some advice related to them as well.
my advice would be when one opens the radiator cap on a hot engine , DONT do it .
Number one its gonna rush up and out like mount st helens .
Number two if by some chance you jumped back fast enough
all that overflow gonna hit the ground . Man anti freeze tastes like sugar to some animals
so if a cat comes by and starts licking , said cat gonna end up dead . anti freeze is not animal or human friendly
to drink . and boy it only takes a touch for a cat or dog to lick on and man look out kidneys and organs .
 
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Never, ever buy an electric vehicle. At some point, you will have to replace the rechargeable batteries which are only good for so many recharges. When that happens, it will cost you a small fortune! And that's besides all the other problems like limited mileage and the long time it takes to recharge the batteries.
never buy it . yep .
but there is one thing far deadlier to buy than an electric car . So deadly it will lead one to the second death . A LIE .
Just a friendly reminder to all that it is high time we got our faces in the bible again .
 
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That's the best advice right there!!

I literally know enough about cars and plumbing to be dangerous, and just because I think I can doesn't mean I should do.

Much love!
sadly a ton of leaders within christendom only know about enough of the bible to make them dangerous too .
Many should never have sat under men gone wrong and their theologcial schools .
THEY should have simply read and learned that bible and learned it well my friend .
Many know only enough truth to decieve themselves and any and all who do sit under them .