Hiroshima…the untold story.

[Aunty Jane]

No Jesus said:-
John 17:16-26New International Version - UK

Probably one of the most inaccurate Bible translations in existence.....but let’s examine what it actually says...

16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of it. 17 Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth. 18 As you sent me into the world, I have sent them into the world. 19 For them I sanctify myself, that they too may be truly sanctified.

How did Jesus demonstrate that he was “no part of the world”? He avoided the rebellious Jewish elements intent on overthrowing Roman rule and taking back their land.....Masada was the useless result. (If you don’t know about Masada, look it up)
If those who rebelled had just accepted Jesus as Messiah, almost a thousand lives could have been saved and given hope that God’s will was going to “be done, on earth as it is in heaven”.....there was no need to die without hope....

When Jesus said he was no part of the world, he demonstrated what he meant by his own example. He “sanctified” his disciples and sent them into the world to tell the “Good news of the kingdom” to all who would listen....but the majority did not listen, and some like the “Sicarii” (dagger men) tried to rectify the situation by violence, and ended up committing suicide along with their whole families rather than live under Roman domination.

What you are ignorant about is that Christianity has always radical changed society, by ordinary Christians living for God and by other Christians organising and motivating change through laws and influencing society.
Never heard of the anti slavery work by Christians or the laws made to protect children and women working in mines and factories or of the work to civilised prisons and rehabilitate criminals, of the charity work done by Christians.

And yet the world has never been in a worse state with future prospects looking grim....where is “Christianity” saving anyone? How is hand to mouth charity working for the people who are living in their cars, even though they have three jobs? If the money spent on killing people was spent saving them from poverty and disadvantage, increasing their educational prospects and giving them a better life....what do you think the population would opt for?
Is it coincidental that the ones seeking refuge from their own violent nations, are taken in by compassionate people only to bring their troubles with them, and end up creating situations similar to those they left?

Can you not see the absolute failure of human governments who treat the poor as slaves and who are forced to serve their rich masters well, but are never paid what they are worth.....only the big corporations can do that. Salary and bonuses paid in the millions for doing very little it seems....other than making those rich corporations even richer by foul means.

You made a claim, which when challenged to prove you failed to do so.
Just what worth is there in your posts if you will not back up your claims.

What claims did I make that you could not back up......with a little research?
Tell me what I said that you believe was false?
You probably believe your nation’s own MSM......prepared propaganda churned out by a “fake news” machine that is not averse to telling all manner of lies and deceit....do you actually believe them?
If you do, I pity you....

Who is ruling this world? (1 John 5:19; Luke 4:5-7)

 

[Wrangler]

Well that is the worldly response….what is the Christian response?

A Christian response is not opposite of a worldly response for we are Body and Spirit. Too many Christians are overly spiritualized and forget our worldy obligations. Unlike Christ, who was a subject, we are citizens with duties and obligations to guide the government.

Again, outsourcing justice to secular atheists is NOT the Christian calling. Of course it is our business! God is a warrior who loves justice and we are made in his image with KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL.

You don't respect the ground you stand on:

1. Crusades, 1095
2. Reconquest of Iberation Peninsula, 1492
3. Establishment of Colony of Virginia, 1584
4. Battle of Vienna, 1683
5. Founding of America, 1776
6. 1st Amendment Ratification, 1787
7. Barbary War, 1801
8. Second Barbary War, 1815
9. The Great War
10. World War II
11. 9/11
12. Oct 7

We enjoy our Christian faith because our brothers in the past acted for justice. That you deny justice is a pathway unbelievers can come to Christ is willful ignorance! Where in the world are women treated better and their rights more acknowledged than in Christian nations?

 

[Wrangler]

The burden is on mankind as a whole

Wrong! Totally wrong. Jesus did not say give unto <the governments as a whole> what is <the governments as a whole>. He said to give to the leader of his government.

You have no conception of the purpose of government. Let me enlighten you. The purpose of government is to provide security for its citizens. The government of City X for the people of X. The government for Nation Y for the people of Y. The government is beholden to the people and the people are beholden to their government.

This is demonstrated by voting. People outside the city/state/nation cannot choose who the goverment of the city/state/nation are to be.

Who was the great JW's military governor? How did they protect their people from invasion and attack? What about the great JW military commanders throughout history? Who did they defeat? And who did they defeat in a manner consisten with your sensibilties? Whose lives did they protect when the force of arms was called for in our to live ... wait for it ... in this world as Christians?

 

[Wrangler]

Wars are mostly fought on political grounds, not spiritual, ones. God is not with ANY blood spilling nations and never has been.

I have already taken you to task over this ludicrous claim. God commanded the conquest of nations and the spilling of blood - of every man, woman, child, baby and animal.

 

[Wrangler]

How can any Christian be “overly spiritualized”

By ignoring the needs of the soul, the body, of living in this world.

Exodus 15:3 Yahweh is a warrior. And we are made in his image.

 

[Wrangler]

When seconds matter, the police can help, but sometimes as the situation demands, the police can be used to force people to do what God forbids.

Again, you have things backwards and exceptions don't make rules. God does not forbid one use force to defense themselves. He commands it. Let me say that again. You are claiming God forbids what he commanded!

Christ said it is better to be cold than unarmed. Sell your cloak and buy a sword.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Yes, and that caveat has never been rescinded. Subjection to governments can never justify the violence that God condemns. Something that is lawful for man, is not always lawful to God or to his servants.

Well even a witness like you should acknowledge that god never changes. So look in the OT when god ordered Israel to war many times and told them to slay every man , woman and child.

As The Lord has temporarily set aisde Israel as His chosen nation to bring in the Gentiles for HIs name, He uses governments to stop evil from spreading to far on a human level.

You know, it never ceases to amaze me how readily these atrocities can be justified on either the side of the conflict. Millions died so millions more could be saved? Really? That is a solution that justifies the loss of the millions who died? Are they all martyrs then from your perspective?

The best solution is for nations to not go and slaughter other nations and cause those nations they attacked to have to go to war to protect their citizens. War is always a dreadful thing and should never be entered into whimsily.

but if a nation must go to war like the Allies did in WW@ then they should unleash the dogs of war and do what is necessary to get the invading nations to the surrender table. Just remember if Hitler hadn't initiated the slaughter of millions in Europe and Japan the lsaughter of millions in the pacific region, they would have never been a war!

From the perspective of a Christian, no one is justified in taking innocent lives...period. No government can demand that from any person who identifies as a “Christian”. You own conscience is God-given and should never be violated……the purpose of military training is to deaden the conscience….and dehumanize the enemy…should a Christian ever be part of that training to kill a fellow human to whom God also gave life?

I agree with your conscinece statement.

But you are vomiting the Watchtower lies about teh purpose of military training. It is to train a civilian to become a soldier. Though it is decaying rapidly, the western nations always taught its armies todo what could be done to avoid taking civilian lives.

but I do not fault say Israel in killing civilians. When Hamas hides their rocket launchers in schools, hospitals and neighborhoods, when hamas refuses to wear uniforms identifying them as armed combatantsa, when they use their own people as hostages and shileds, then it is their culpability when civilaians die.

Personal self defense is a whole other issue…..we are talking about the wars of nations and the justification for using weapons of mass destruction against such enemies…..yet the principle remains….if we carry weapons designed to take human life, then we display intent to kill or maim, when we have no sanction from God to use any weapon against another human being.

YOu are simply wrong!

Romans 13

King James Version

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13 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.
7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.

Verses 3 and 4 are the key.

And wars among nations follow the same principles as conflicts between individuals

James 4:1-3

King James Version

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4 From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members?
2 Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not.
3 Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.

Wars among nations have the exact same reasons as wars among individuals- e34xcept they involves nations instead of individuals.

 

[Windmill Charge]

Probably one of the most inaccurate Bible translations in existence

Yet even the AV says:- 16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. 18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world. 19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.

Now you want Christians to be involved in showing practical love and care to those in need. Something through your removal from the world you are not doing.

May I remind you that you claimed America is responsible for most wars.
You made the claim, you need to provide the evidence for your claim.

 

[Aunty Jane]

A Christian response is not opposite of a worldly response for we are Body and Spirit. Too many Christians are overly spiritualized and forget our worldy obligations. Unlike Christ, who was a subject, we are citizens with duties and obligations to guide the government.

A “Christian” response has to, (by necessity) be opposite to a “worldly” one, for one very apparent reason…who rules this world? Who influences the governments and moves them to selfish ambitions at the expense of many human lives caught in the crossfire?

1 John 5:19….
”We know that we are of God, and that the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.“ (NASB)
Why does “the whole world“ lie in the power of satan? What part of “the whole world“ does satan not have power over? He is the substitute “god” and “ruler“ that our first parents chose…..and the whole world is still serving him by deception. He uses the same tactics in every generation, and parents teach their children to do exactly what we see in worldly politics today….there is always division and hatred, war and greed and a financial system that creates slaves and masters.

As we hurtle towards “the end“ of satan’s rulership, and the corruption is exposed more and more, people are now beginning to see how deep that corruption has always been, but well disguised by leading the public to believe (through well dispersed “NEWS” or propaganda channels) the very opposite of what is actually the truth of any matter. It’s the science of “perception management”…..a death dealing deception that paints a very different picture to the grim reality. The majority eat it up on their nightly NEWS.

When the devil tempted Jesus to sin, he himself admitted what Christ did not refute….
Luke 4:5-7….
”And he led Him up and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. And the devil said to Him, “I will give You all this domain and its glory, for it has been handed over to me, and I give it to whomever I want. Therefore if You worship before me, it shall all be Yours.” (NASB)

The world is ruled by the devil because God gave that authority to him….why? So that Christ’s disciples could see how inept and disgustingly corrupt these human governments are.….and told them to be “no part” of that world…..we live in it and are subjected to it…but we are never to be “part” of it.
The one thing that God never gave humans was power over other humans…..it’s the one thing that corrupts humans more than even “the love of money”. (1 Tim 6:10)
We were designed to be ruled by God, which meant all subjects remained on an even playing field, all unitedly serving the interests of their Sovereign Creator, right here on this earth, where he put as to serve him….forever.
Why are we here Wrangler? To serve Satan’s interests in his conflicts and power struggles? Are we to join in efforts to further the corrupt political agendas of human governments under the control of the devil or did Jesus tell us not to?

I know how hard it is for those who have been indoctrinated from birth to hold patriotic sentiments on the same level as their “Christianity”…..but they are not compatible……you cannot serve two masters because one always wins. Who is winning for you?

Again, outsourcing justice to secular atheists is NOT the Christian calling. Of course it is our business! God is a warrior who loves justice and we are made in his image with KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL.

It’s not “outsourcing”…..it is allowing what God has put in place for his own reasons, and allowing them to do as they will….is God not in control of everything? Isn’t he the one, who through Daniel, foretold all these things?
Daniel told us that in the “time of the end” the very ones presently ruling mankind will answer to God for their greed and inhumanity.
Daniel foretold the march of world powers, beginning with Babylon and ending with the current rulers of our day…..there are no more after these ones, because God will put a stop to the corruption and bloodshed and hold an accounting.

Daniel 2:44-45….
“And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which will never be destroyed, and that kingdom will not be left for another people; it will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, but it will itself endure forever. Just as you saw that a stone was broken off from the mountain without hands, and that it crushed the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver, and the gold, the great God has made known to the king what will take place in the future; so the dream is certain and its interpretation is trustworthy.” (NASB)

God will ”crush” satan’s entire system of oppressive and corrupt world governments out of existence, and replace them with the Kingdom that Jesus taught us to pray for….those who support satan’s worldly governments will go down with them.
This is part of what separates “the sheep from the goats”.

Luke 18:7-8…
” now, will God not bring about justice for His elect who cry out to Him day and night, and will He delay long for them? I tell you that He will bring about justice for them quickly. However, when the Son of Man comes, will He find faith on the earth?” (NASB)

Nationalistic Church and State are an unholy marriage….there is no such thing as a “Christian” nation”…..(Acts 10:34-35)….we will see that God is not supporting what exists in this world, because religion and politics, hand in hand, are divisive and throughly corrupt.

You don't respect the ground you stand on:

1. Crusades, 1095
2. Reconquest of Iberation Peninsula, 1492
3. Establishment of Colony of Virginia, 1584
4. Battle of Vienna, 1683
5. Founding of America, 1776
6. 1st Amendment Ratification, 1787
7. Barbary War, 1801
8. Second Barbary War, 1815
9. The Great War
10. World War II
11. 9/11
12. Oct 7

We enjoy our Christian faith because our brothers in the past acted for justice. That you deny justice is a pathway unbelievers can come to Christ is willful ignorance! Where in the world are women treated better and their rights more acknowledged than in Christian nations?

You are so centered on your own country but fail to see that Christianity is NOT an American religion…..the rest of the world exists Wrangler….and Christians on both sides of world conflicts and bloody wars have suffered the ravages of those political and religious conflicts. Whose side was God on? His true worshippers were no part of any of it, just victims of it.

Look at your list…..it is one of shame that any genuine Christian could support any of those conflicts as having God’s approval or support….all of which took place in the Christian Era, under ignored Christian principles and teachings..…just because God allows something, doesn’t mean he condones or approves of it…..otherwise he would have destroyed satan and his minions ages ago. It all culminates in our day as foretold….”the time of the end” is here and looking at the world situation now, it’s so close to its finale.

Where will supporters of world governments find themselves at the end, Wrangler? Separate or complicit?
That is for each individual to decide.

 

[Wrangler]

A “Christian” response has to, (by necessity) be opposite to a “worldly” one, for one very apparent reason…who rules this world?

No. False dichotomy.

 

[Wrangler]

You are so centered on your own country but fail to see that Christianity is NOT an American religion

No. The American government is centered on its own country - as it should be.

 

[Wrangler]

It’s not “outsourcing”…..it is allowing what God has put in place for his own reasons, and allowing them to do as they will….is God not in control of everything?

You just got done saying the devil ruled this world. It is outsourcing justice to the secular atheists because you have abandoned the field to them.

 

[Wrangler]

I know how hard it is for those who have been indoctrinated from birth to hold patriotic sentiments on the same level as their “Christianity”…..but they are not compatible……you cannot serve two masters because one always wins. Who is winning for you?

Christ is coming back as a conqueror. YHWH is a warrior and we are made in his image. The master gave us dominion over all the world, not damned a life of passivity.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Well even a witness like you should acknowledge that god never changes. So look in the OT when god ordered Israel to war many times and told them to slay every man , woman and child.

What you fail to see is that Israel always operated under God’s sanction…..no war fought by Israel was ever won unless God had approved of the action and it was in defense of their God-given land.
When they entered a conflict without God’s sanction, or allied themselves with worldly nations, God surrendered them to their enemies, showing them that he was not sanctioning their bloodshed.

In Jesus’ day, Israel had no military…and any who joined the military were viewed with disdain because they were fighting for the enemy of Israel…..like the despised tax collectors working in the interests of Rome in extorting money from their own brothers.
History tells us that the early Christians did not participate in the wars of the nations….it was when the foretold corruption and apostasy took over, that things changed and they took on the horrible traits we see down through its bloody history.

No Chistian was ever given sanction for bloodshed…just the opposite.
Romans 12:17-21….
”Never repay evil for evil to anyone. Respect what is right in the sight of all people. If possible, so far as it depends on you, be at peace with all people. Never take your own revenge, beloved, but leave room for the wrath of God, for it is written: “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord. Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.” (NASB)

1 Cor 10:3-5..
”For though we walk in the flesh, we do not wage battle according to the flesh, for the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh, but divinely powerful for the destruction of fortresses. We are destroying arguments and all arrogance raised against the knowledge of God, and we are taking every thought captive to the obedience of Christ”. (NASB)

If ‘vengeance belongs to God’, can we not leave that in his capable hands? Are our sinful hands somehow more capable? How obedient to the Christ are we?

As The Lord has temporarily set aisde Israel as His chosen nation to bring in the Gentiles for HIs name, He uses governments to stop evil from spreading to far on a human level.

God has abandoned fleshly Israel and dumped her back among the blood spilling nations to do what she has always done….ignore God’s word and his prophets. God’s obligation to Israel was complete when he brought his Messiah into the world, and they signed their own death warrant by murdering their own savior.
God is done with that proud and disobedient nation….he chose a new Israel to replace them as John the Baptist demonstrated….

Matt 3:7-10…..
“But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming for baptism, he said to them, “You offspring of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Therefore produce fruit consistent with repentance; and do not assume that you can say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father’; for I tell you that God is able, from these stones, to raise up children for Abraham. And the axe is already laid at the root of the trees; therefore, every tree that does not bear good fruit is being cut down and thrown into the fire.” (NASB)

The axe fell and the useless trees were thrown into the fire…God raised “children for Abraham” from the nations and these would now serve as his people, not bound by national borders or worldly conflicts….these from all nations would unite as one global brotherhood under Christ and enjoy peace amid the chaos of satan’s decaying world system, confident of the promises of God to usher in his Kingdom once he had destroyed every vestige of satan’s rulership and all who support it.

but if a nation must go to war like the Allies did in WW@ then they should unleash the dogs of war and do what is necessary to get the invading nations to the surrender table. Just remember if Hitler hadn't initiated the slaughter of millions in Europe and Japan the lsaughter of millions in the pacific region, they would have never been a war!

And again…God needed humans to make his decisions for him in situations that had been prophesied some 500 Years before Jesus came into the world….? What happened is what God permitted to take place so that prophesy would be fulfilled. Prophesy is history written in advance.

But you are vomiting the Watchtower lies about teh purpose of military training. It is to train a civilian to become a soldier. Though it is decaying rapidly, the western nations always taught its armies todo what could be done to avoid taking civilian lives.

Whose words and ideas are you “vomiting”?
No genuine Christian can join the military and train to kill their fellow humans….and ‘avoiding the slaughter of civilians’ is a joke……that is the devil’s work, deceiving those who think that their Christianity can be overridden by their patriotism. “Collateral damage” and “friendly fire” are terms invented to cover over mass murder of innocent people caught up in geography and the deeds of national pride….and justifying the implementation of weapons of mass destruction as if God somehow will ignore the innocent blood crying out to him….?

but I do not fault say Israel in killing civilians. When Hamas hides their rocket launchers in schools, hospitals and neighborhoods, when hamas refuses to wear uniforms identifying them as armed combatantsa, when they use their own people as hostages and shileds, then it is their culpability when civilaians die.

When you take the worldly view instead of the Christian view, you can justify all manner of atrocities. Justify it to God who told us not to be any part of what the world is doing.
We as Christians, have one job amidst all the chaos…to find the lost sheep and lead them to salvation and trust in God…giving them faith in God to do as he promised……not to trust in flawed human rulership under the devil‘s influence, whose propaganda machine works overtime to justify all its disgusting behaviors.

Romans 13​

King James Version​

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13 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.
7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.

Verses 3 and 4 are the key.

And wars among nations follow the same principles as conflicts between individuals

Did we not already confirm that our responsibility to be law abiding citizens cannot be at the cost of our obedience to God…? No government can force us to disobey Christ’s teachings.
The apostles said, when arrested and told to stop preaching….”We must obey God as ruler rather than men”.
Who are you obeying? We will obey the teachings of God through his Christ.

Wars among nations have the exact same reasons as wars among individuals- e34xcept they involves nations instead of individuals.

And we have God’s word to tell us how to respond…..we are NOT to “return evil for evil” but to let God repay.
How well do we understand that, and demonstrate by our actions that we can leave all things in God’s capable hands? Vengeance belongs to God...not us.

War is not the same as a personal attack…..God has not sanctioned a war since the days of ancient Israel.
We can allow satan’s world to do whatever it wishes….and leave all things to the God who told us not to interfere in the things of the world. He has it all under control and doesn’t need his people to defend themselves…..he will defend them as his will dictates. Do you believe this?

 

[Aunty Jane]

You can justify all you wish to believe, @Wrangler…..we can allow God to send his son to do the judging as to who is obedient to the teachings of his Christ, and who is just pretending, whilst ignoring a bucket load of unambiguous scripture to the contrary….

You are free to believe as you wish….I’ve said my piece….there is no excuse for ignorance now….
If you make yourself “part of the world” by upholding its devil inspired agenda, its politics, and its participation in the indiscriminate slaughter (“collateral damage“) of innocent victims of the weapons of mass destruction used by them.…then your conscience will be your guide. I have to wonder if you have one….? The justification amazes me TBH….

 

[David in NJ]

We all know how history paints this awful event in the city of Hiroshima, and the one that followed in Nagasaki three days later….but how is the story told from the other side? How are the stories, told from two different perspectives, imprinted on the minds and hearts of those who experienced the events of that day……and the story told by those who perpetrated it?
Here is the other side of the story…..
Hiroshima

Did they know what they were doing? And if so, how could human beings perpetrate such atrocities on innocent victims of geography?……on men, women and children who were the innocent victims of war, not of their making…….what if the roles had been reversed and Japan had done that to NYC and again on Washington DC a few days later?

Did we know that a gag order was placed on reporting the horrendous state of the victims who were not instantaneously vaporized in the initial blast? Did we know that this bomb was detonated some 2000 ft above the ground to maximize the damage and death toll?

Do we wonder why the victims and their families didn’t advertise the fact that they were survivors?

Please watch the video and consider what precipitated the development and use of this heinous invention of science, now eclipsed in successive weapons developments, so that we understand what “toys” these ego maniacs have at their disposal in this 21st century, as they goad each other into perhaps, a third world war……

Who is running this show?…who is the real power behind the mindset of the world’s political leaders, who are his puppets……And then ask “why did Jesus tell us to be NO PART of it”? (1 John 5:19; John 17:16; John 18:36)

….but the most important thing to consider is what motivates hatred at this level? How are people in the military trained to dehumanize their “enemies”? Could we go there again? What is the political state of the world telling us?

When patriotic fervor is whipped up…..can we justify such violence as a solution for peace? When did war ever lead to lasting peace? Can Christians ever be involved in these things? (Matt 5:43-44)

I believe the answer is obvious….

Well, we know how EVIL the Clinton/Obama/Biden admminstrations were and are.
Let's give a loud applause to all those who voted to given Iran a Nuclear weapon.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Yet even the AV says:- 16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. 18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world. 19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.

Now you want Christians to be involved in showing practical love and care to those in need. Something through your removal from the world you are not doing.

Hold on a minute there….what are you suggesting?
Being no part of the political world and it’s rulership has nothing whatever to do with doing deeds of Christian kindness wherever we see a need…..
What did the parable of the “Good Samaritan” teach us?

The man lying wounded was deprived of his clothing and hence his identity as a Jew was not apparent.
The Jews passing by ignored his plight because he may have been a hated Samaritan and they would not render aid to such a despised person……yet the hero of the story is a Samaritan who did not even entertain such a thing…he saw a fellow human in need and was able in his circumstances to render assistance…he did not care what nationality or religion he was…he just wanted to help this man in his hour of need.

We too can operate like this…and imagine the world if everyone did this? We see homeless people all the time….what prevents us from offering them something to eat? Even a cup of coffee and a sandwich would take away their hunger…..these random acts of kindness are what the Samaritan demonstrated.

The early Christians had a committee of brothers who were assigned to take care of the widows and orphans among them, so Christianity taught us to take care of our own first…..the good Samaritan taught us to look out for our fellow man regardless of his nationality or religion on an individual basis. But there was no committee to take care of those outside of the Christian faith….so church run charities are fighting a losing battle when the homeless are multiplying more rapidly that these charities can handle.

Poorly managed government in the hands of corrupt humans will never fix what only God’s kingdom can...no man-made efforts will ever be able to undo what has been done to pollute everything that sustains our lives, physically, morally and spiritually....in a world ruled by the devil, nothing is as it appears to be. Deception is everywhere.

Inept humans will make excuses for why they cannot do what is good for all....because corruption has them feathering their own nests....the gap between the rich and poor is growing ever wider and the workers continue to enrich the elite by their hunger driven service...ever more demanding of their devalued time and efforts.

May I remind you that you claimed America is responsible for most wars.

Who are the world’s largest arms exporters.

“According to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, the United States remains the world's largest arms exporter responsible for 41.7 percent of international arms sales between 2019 and 2023, up from 38.6 percent between 2017 and 2021. During the most recent time span, the country supplied arms to more than 100 countries.

France moved up to second position, overtaking Russia, whose share in exports has been decreasing recently. Between 2019 and 20213, France was responsible for 10.9 percent of global arms exports (slightly up from 10.7). Russia came just behind at 10.5 percent calculated as the average from prewar years 2019-2021 and those after its invasion of Ukraine from 2022 to 2023. In the five years before the invasion, Russia's share in global arms export had stood at a much higher 18.6 percent.”

No one comes close to the US as an arms manufacturer and supplier. So who has a more vested interest in fomenting wars and keeping them going.....?

“In 2022, Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI) estimated global military expenditure at $2.24 trillion, the highest level ever recorded by SIPRI. Global spending grew by 19 per cent over the decade 2013–22 and has risen every year since 2015.[1] The combined arms-sales of the top 100 largest arms-producing companies and military services companies totaled $597 billion in 2022, according to SIPRI.[2] According to the institute, the five largest arms exporters in 2018–22 were the United States, Russia, France, China and Germany. Together, they supplied 76% of the world's arms exports in 2018–22.(Wiki)
We are talking about very substantial profits here.....and we already know what Christ taught.....that “the love of money is the root of all evil”......so evidently true....

You made the claim, you need to provide the evidence for your claim.

With the propaganda machine working overtime, via MSM, to justify all the bloodshed, who really knows the truth about all these things......God does, and he will mete out his punishments accordingly. No one can justify themselves to the one who knows all things.
The very fact that any country who claims to be “Christian”, (and many of those in government make that claim) but who can manufacture and sell weapons of mass destruction, knowing in advance that many innocent lives will be taken, speaks for itself.....God would never sanction man to do such a thing for money.

If a war does not have God’s sanction, then what applied to Israel also applies to Christians....

Isa 1:15....
“And when you spread out your palms,
I hide my eyes from you.
Although you offer many prayers,
I am not listening;
Your hands are filled with blood.”.....

 

[Aunty Jane]

Well, we know how EVIL the Clinton/Obama/Biden admminstrations were and are.
Let's give a loud applause to all those who voted to given Iran a Nuclear weapon.

In a world ruled by the devil....there are no “good guys”....they are all puppets in the hands of “the god of this world” who has the ability to render ‘blindness’ to all who swallow his propaganda. (2 Cor 4:3-4)

 

[David in NJ]

In a world ruled by the devil....there are no “good guys”....they are all puppets in the hands of “the god of this world” who has the ability to render ‘blindness’ to all who swallow his propaganda. (2 Cor 4:3-4)

We had the ability to vote against promoting such things.

 

[Aunty Jane]

We had the ability to vote against promoting such things.

I believe that the one thing that Christians have, is the ability to abstain from anything to do with the way things are governed in this world, no matter what country we live in. All governments are puppets of the devil. He said he can give rulership to whomever he wishes.....but lets people think that they did it all by themselves. (Luke 4:5-7)

To vote people into office on the basis of their lying promises, is to then take responsibility for what they do in the office you helped to put them in. Do you want to be held accountable for what these corrupt people do once you give them the licence?

When God takes them down, as he will soon do, we want to be as far away as possible from their actions, for which they will answer for all the innocent blood they have shed and the atrocities that they have committed. No one should think that their government is above corruption because of who is their primary influence. (1 John 5:19)


Let the world take care of the world as they have always done without God.....He is no part of it, Jesus was no part of it....so neither should we be part of it as Jesus said....(John 17:16; 18:36)