Hiroshima…the untold story.

[Aunty Jane]

We all know how history paints this awful event in the city of Hiroshima, and the one that followed in Nagasaki three days later….but how is the story told from the other side? How are the stories, told from two different perspectives, imprinted on the minds and hearts of those who experienced the events of that day……and the story told by those who perpetrated it?
Here is the other side of the story…..
Hiroshima

Did they know what they were doing? And if so, how could human beings perpetrate such atrocities on innocent victims of geography?……on men, women and children who were the innocent victims of war, not of their making…….what if the roles had been reversed and Japan had done that to NYC and again on Washington DC a few days later?

Did we know that a gag order was placed on reporting the horrendous state of the victims who were not instantaneously vaporized in the initial blast? Did we know that this bomb was detonated some 2000 ft above the ground to maximize the damage and death toll?

Do we wonder why the victims and their families didn’t advertise the fact that they were survivors?

Please watch the video and consider what precipitated the development and use of this heinous invention of science, now eclipsed in successive weapons developments, so that we understand what “toys” these ego maniacs have at their disposal in this 21st century, as they goad each other into perhaps, a third world war……

Who is running this show?…who is the real power behind the mindset of the world’s political leaders, who are his puppets……And then ask “why did Jesus tell us to be NO PART of it”? (1 John 5:19; John 17:16; John 18:36)

….but the most important thing to consider is what motivates hatred at this level? How are people in the military trained to dehumanize their “enemies”? Could we go there again? What is the political state of the world telling us?

When patriotic fervor is whipped up…..can we justify such violence as a solution for peace? When did war ever lead to lasting peace? Can Christians ever be involved in these things? (Matt 5:43-44)

I believe the answer is obvious….

 

[Randy Kluth]

We all know how history paints this awful event in the city of Hiroshima, and the one that followed in Nagasaki three days later….but how is the story told from the other side? How are the stories, told from two different perspectives, imprinted on the minds and hearts of those who experienced the events of that day……and the story told by those who perpetrated it?
Here is the other side of the story…..
Hiroshima

Did they know what they were doing? And if so, how could human beings perpetrate such atrocities on innocent victims of geography?……on men, women and children who were the innocent victims of war, not of their making…….what if the roles had been reversed and Japan had done that to NYC and again on Washington DC a few days later?

Did we know that a gag order was placed on reporting the horrendous state of the victims who were not instantaneously vaporized in the initial blast? Did we know that this bomb was detonated some 2000 ft above the ground to maximize the damage and death toll?

Do we wonder why the victims and their families didn’t advertise the fact that they were survivors?

Please watch the video and consider what precipitated the development and use of this heinous invention of science, now eclipsed in successive weapons developments, so that we understand what “toys” these ego maniacs have at their disposal in this 21st century, as they goad each other into perhaps, a third world war……

Who is running this show?…who is the real power behind the mindset of the world’s political leaders, who are his puppets……And then ask “why did Jesus tell us to be NO PART of it”? (1 John 5:19; John 17:16; John 18:36)

….but the most important thing to consider is what motivates hatred at this level? How are people in the military trained to dehumanize their “enemies”? Could we go there again? What is the political state of the world telling us?

When patriotic fervor is whipped up…..can we justify such violence as a solution for peace? When did war ever lead to lasting peace? Can Christians ever be involved in these things? (Matt 5:43-44)

I believe the answer is obvious….

I watched about half of it--it just seemed to show up close what death in war is like for civilians. We all know death is bad. But it is inevitable in a world that is in rebellion against the word of God. We have to live with it somehow.

I think nuclear war was inevitable, and it will probably be a nuclear war that brings us to Armageddon. The final world war in this age will probably be a nuclear war that lasts about an hour. What you see in this film is just a small picture of what will take place at world judgment. God will turn man's sins back upon himself. It won't be God's doing except that He allows people to produce the result of their own rebellion against God's word.

We won't stop the inevitability of nuclear war by showing films revealing its horrors. Evil begets more evil. The story should, I agree, be told, and it may influence some individually and maybe in some governments.

In the end, the biblical record stands true--the world will once again emerge in open defiance against God's laws, just as it was in the days before the Flood. The best thing we can do is reach out to human souls, so that individuals can make peace with God and prepare for the next world.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Thank you for your response @Randy Kluth.

The thread is about our attitudes towards those we perceive as “enemies”. Whose enemies are they really?

We all know about propaganda, but assume that it is the “other guy” doing it…..we are the “good guys” (right?) so we would never lie about our motives or sinister involvement in worldly conflicts.…..and yet we see in the Scriptures that under God’s law there were classifications of criminal acts. Some were forgivable, and could be atoned for, whilst others were not and demanded the death penalty.

So when nations who are under the influence of the devil, (1 John 5:19) engage in heinous methods of warfare without any regard for the innocent people they slaughter, God will demand an accounting. Killing innocent people is murder. No man has sanction from God to do that.…in his eyes there is no such thing as “collateral damage” or “friendly fire”….these are justifications that hold no weight with the Creator.

This brings us to the issue of war and a Christian’s’ involvement in it. What does God’s word tell us about how we should conduct ourselves in times of worldly conflict? If the nations have blood on their hands, do we, even by our consent, share in that bloodshed? Do we condone the wholesale slaughter of innocent people just because we are whipped up by nationalistic pride? Can that ever be justified?

If Jesus said we who are his disciples should be “no part of the world”…what did he mean?

Who is ruling this world? Is it God or is it the devil? (2 Cor 4:3-4)

Paul identified “the god of this world” as satan the devil, and tells us that he has the ability to “blind the minds of unbelievers”…..so what about those who claim to be “believers” but who engage in political agendas that divide them from their Christian brothers?…engendering hatred for them and their political choices? What part does propaganda play in creating attitudes that are anti-Christian? What is the main springboard for all propaganda? Is it not the media, creating the divide? Why do we buy into that?

What happened in the last World War? “Christians“ of various denominations, killed their own “brothers” on the opposing side over political differences.

1 John 4:20-21…..
”If anyone says, “I love God,” yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For the person who does not love his brother he has seen cannot love the God he has not seen. And we have this command from Him: The one who loves God must also love his brother.” (HCSB)

Can your brother then ever be your enemy? If we would take his life over political, racial or denominational differences, then we are the liars because it shows us up to be hypocrites.…saying one thing but doing the opposite. (Matt 5:43-44)

I see that kind of hatred on these boards and it’s a sad reality that flies in the face of all that Christ taught.
If you have differences that you cannot solve, simply withdraw from that person and have no further dealings with them. Have your say, but don’t judge individuals as condemned….or we might find ourselves judged as we judge them. (Matt 7:1; 1 Cor 10:12)

We are under instruction from God to preach….not to engage in physical violence, or to carry weapons with the intention of using them on a fellow human being.…we have no sanction for that.

Being in the military shows intent to kill because they are trained to do so……being taught to dehumanize their “enemies”. Who created those we view as “enemies”? He is the only one who can sanction death.

From the video we see that the Japanese people in the city were just like us, wanting to go about their daily activities in peace. What was done to them will demand an accounting. Just as Abel’s blood cried out to God for justice to be done in his murder. (Gen 4:10)

Can you not see political differences dividing people today more so than ever? How many of those at the recent rally where an attempt was made on the life of the former president, would identify as “Christians”?

Was the shooter concerned about collateral damage? Were the victims of that incident there because they supported God’s Kingdom…or man’s?
No true Christian would have attended such an event. Being “no part of the world” means no involvement in the way man is ruled. All corrupt human rulership is in the hands of the devil. (Luke 4:5-8)

All of it is doomed to destruction when God’s Kingdom “comes” and puts an end to Satan’s pathetic rulership. (Daniel 2:44) Only then will we see Revelation 21:2-4 fulfilled.

 

[Randy Kluth]

Thank you for your response @Randy Kluth.

You're welcome, but I'm not sure I shared the full extent of my beliefs on this. I'm not, as you seem to be, even casting aspersions on those who participate in the buildup of nuclear weapons, nor on those countries who have decided to create a nuclear defense system. MAD has worked in the nuclear age, and some countries have been eager to participate in that.

I don't hold any illusions about a supposed ability to avoid international war, and the need to create greater and greater weapons to avoid it. Creating civilian casualties is not the ultimate evil, in my view, and protecting the nation, even with nuclear weapons, has some saintly value in my estimation. I don't want Communist countries overrunning my country, even if the cost may be a massive number of innocent deaths.

So death itself is not the ultimate evil, since we will all live again. What is important is that we be responsible in responding to evil threats. And that may in the present time require resorting to nuclear arsenals.

This is a truly sad state of affairs, but this is where the world has come to without God. And we still have a responsibility to respond to the threat of adventurism and bullying by powerful countries whose intentions are malicious and oppressive. We need to preserve the freedom of our own country to worship and to serve God as we understand it should be done.

"Give me liberty, or give me death," it was said. I agree with that to some degree. "Liberty" is not the ultimate good, but if God has called us to serve Him, as we are able we should try to preserve that. But if we are called to martyrdom, so be it.

 

[Aunty Jane]

"Give me liberty, or give me death," it was said. I agree with that to some degree. "Liberty" is not the ultimate good, but if God has called us to serve Him, as we are able we should try to preserve that. But if we are called to martyrdom, so be it.

I have to say that I am disappointed that you could say such things, as if God is not always in control of all that happens on his earth. What he allows is for a time and a reason....he does not need us to change the world, as if any actions by man could possibly do so. We are in “the last days” of this satanic world system, and our faith will be tested as to how obedient we will be when all about us are in chaos.

We will all answer to God for what we do, what we think, and how we treat others.

The so called “liberty” that humans in the west seem to cherish, is an illusion created by the devil. That “freedom” is actually slavery to other humans who possess power and wealth and being slaves involves material gains. Why else would we find such willing slaves who serve their masters whilst serving themselves? Are we not naturally reward oriented? The word’s rewards are all materialistic....a constant battle to supply wants that are never really satisfied.

Look at the systems of government that humans have tried over their history, only to result in abject failure.
Where has man’s rulership taken him that has ever satisfied the desire or needs of the common people? It’s a “dog eat dog” world where love has almost disappeared and “man’s inhumanity to man” has reached an appalling low. How many people are now homeless in your country and mine? How much money is spent on the military as opposed to caring for the poor? Is killing other people more important than feeding and housing your own?

Does God really want us to be a part of any of that world? Or are we to “let go and let God”. Are these cliche’s now our reality?
We have choices but on what basis do we make them?....our patriotism or our Christianity? These are in opposition, but seen by some as the same thing.

The innocent victims of man’s warfare are not mere ‘collateral damage’ to God.....life is precious and murderers will not inherit the Kingdom. A martyr is one who willingly gives their life for God.....not someone vaporised or incinerated by a man-made bomb that gives its creator, the power of God.

Didn’t Jesus say...”all those who take up the sword, will die by the sword”, (Matt 26:52)....a Christian cannot take up weapons with the intent to kill....”returning evil for evil” is playing God.....for he says “vengeance is mine, I shall repay”. (Romans 12:17-21)

Do you believe him?

 

[Windmill Charge]

When did war ever lead to lasting peace?

Would you rather that Hitler had left an empire still ruling in europe?
Where do you think putin will stop if he wins in Ukraine?
How do you think China will act over Taiwan?

All three are examples of actual or potential aggression by one party.
Do you want your government to ignore aggressive actions by other governments that will impact how you live your daily life?

Yes war is terrible, and modern war impacts ordinary people in ways we don't expect.
Do research the cost of invading Japan in WW2. Both in the numbers of Americans 2ho would die and the cost in Japan soldiers and civilians.
You'll be surprised the atomic bombs were merciful.

Where will put in stop?

What will China do if America turns it back on the world?

 

[Aunty Jane]

Would you rather that Hitler had left an empire still ruling in europe?
Where do you think putin will stop if he wins in Ukraine?
How do you think China will act over Taiwan?

All three are examples of actual or potential aggression by one party.
Do you want your government to ignore aggressive actions by other governments that will impact how you live your daily life?

What my government does, and what any other worldly government does, is up to them…..we are told by Jesus to be no part of any of it…..and since all that is transpiring in these “last days” was already written some 500 years before the birth of Christ, we need to study Daniel’s prophesies to see where we are in the stream of time…..
If it was all prophesied, why is there a need to tell God how to fulfill his own prophetic word?
Are you afraid that God is somehow not in control of all that he permits to take place on his earth?

Yes war is terrible, and modern war impacts ordinary people in ways we don't expect.
Do research the cost of invading Japan in WW2. Both in the numbers of Americans 2ho would die and the cost in Japan soldiers and civilians.
You'll be surprised the atomic bombs were merciful.

Merciful? really? to those who dropped the bombs, to the burn victims, or to God?
War is entirely man made….if he makes the mess and God allows it, there is a reason that apparently escapes you…?

Did you know that the Spanish Flu pandemic took more lives than the first world war did?
God allowed it, and it was prophesied as part of the sign Jesus gave to indicate his presence as King. (Matt 24:3-14)

Where will put in stop?

What will China do if America turns it back on the world?

Since America is the biggest fomenter of wars, with a history of killing people in their own country, tell us when the USA fought a war on their own mainland soil…..it seems to be heading for another civil war over politics again….and their guns will again be used on each other….the US is not the paragon of virtue you have been led to believe it is. It’s the number one supplier of weapons….a very lucrative income for them.

What do you really know about the war in Ukraine? If Putin had done what Ukraine allowed NATO to do, and built military establishments on the border with Canada for example….the US would have responded exactly the same as Putin did. Ask the Russians and the Ukrainians who the bad guy is……most will tell you, it isn’t Putin.

Propaganda isn’t just what the other guy uses to paint themselves as the heroes…….there are no heroes in a world ruled by the devil (1 John 5:19)…..we are not to be involved in any of it. (John 17:16; John 18:36)
God is fully capable of doing whatever he pleases in world events….do you really think he needs us?
Jesus told us to “love our enemies”….you think detonating an atom bomb is a loving thing to do?

What has taken place up to now is well documented in Daniel‘s prophesies….we are living in the time of their fulfillment. God knows the outcome before it happens.

 

[Windmill Charge]

What my government does

You are part of a country, you contribute to that country and have influence in that country.
If you seek to change peoples religious beliefs, you have a responsibility to seek to influence people political beliefs.

Merciful? really? to those who dropped the bombs, to the burn victims, or to God?

Do the research, how many would have died if there had been an invasion of Japan.

America is the biggest fomenter of wars

Really, which wars has America caused?

 

[Aunty Jane]

You are part of a country, you contribute to that country and have influence in that country.

As a Christian, my only responsibility is to be a law-abiding citizen…..I have no influence whatsoever in the way my country is ruled, because I do not participate or contribute to its politics in any way.
Jesus told us to be “NO PART OF THE WORLD”…..and since 1 John 5:19 tells us that “THE WHOLE WORLD lies in the power of the wicked one”, please tell me what part of the world does he not hold power over?

What part of that world can we set foot in? We are to imitate Christ, who was careful not to hold an opinion about the Roman government, and it’s oppression of his people at the time….but simply to preach about a better one to come…God’s Kingdom. If one is a supporter of God’s Kingdom, we are not offered dual citizenship…..we can be a citizen of one or the other, but not both. (John 17:16, 18:36)

Genuine Christians will not be engaged in worldly politics because it utterly corrupt and it is a divider of people who, because of ingrained patriotic sentiments can be whipped up emotionally over those things, and then they become divided off from their brethren…..not “united” in all ways as Jesus taught. (1 Cor 1:10) If there are so called “Christians” on opposing sides, then we give ourselves permission by our programming to view our brothers as “enemies”. (1 John 4:20-21; Matt 5:43-44)

This ‘hand on the heart’ patriotism is a substitute religion in some nations…..but love for one’s country cannot promote patriotism whilst denying its Christianity. Being raised from birth to be blindly patriotic is a recipe for division and conflict.….Even within your own nation, it can create enemies. It is the complete opposite of what Jesus taught.….”one Lord, one faith, one baptism”…..”no divisions among you”.

If you seek to change peoples religious beliefs, you have a responsibility to seek to influence people political beliefs.

Not at all…..if a Christian is a genuine footstep follower of the Christ, then they will put love of God and neighbor before any political position. In order to be “NO PART OF THE WORLD” we have to take a neutral position and uphold God’s standards. If a person is converted to the true Christian faith, they will automatically see their need to withdraw from all political issues and allow the world that satan rules to do what it pleases, since God is in control of all things, all we need to do is tell others about God’s Kingdom…a vastly superior kingdom than any human government on this earth. All these kingdom will perish by the hand of God. (Daniel 2:44)

Can you name me one particular brand of human rulership that man has tried, that has been a success?

Every kind of human rulership has failed….and we are seeing now that democracy (practiced in most western nations) is in its death throes. This too was prophesied in Daniel.
The only rulership left for man to experience is the “one world government“ proposed decades ago under the auspices of the UN. The “new world order” now called “globalization” will be the last ruling entity for mankind…..a world dictatorship with one government, and one set of laws for all…..its enforcers have been in training for decades too as we see the police turned into military styled combat units, ready to ensure complete compliance…with no one to answer to but themselves. The Bible says that this world government (a combination of all nations) will rule for “one hour”….(not a literal hour, but a very short period of time) until they themselves have to answer to the Sovereign of the Universe, whose laws they have broken, and whose end will make an historic change in the way humans live and are governed on this planet.

Do the research, how many would have died if there had been an invasion of Japan.

Again….do you think God was not in full control of what transpired? You think he could not have intervened in any of the wars that humans have fought? What God allows is what he wants to allow for his own reasons.

As Daniel 2:21…-22 says of Jehovah…..
”He changes times and seasons,
Removes kings and sets up kings,
Gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to those with discernment.
22 He reveals the deep things and the hidden things,
He knows what is in the darkness,
And with him the light dwells.“

There are yet many hidden things to be revealed before “the end” comes.

Really, which wars has America caused?

Oh dear…..you really have no idea how things work behind the propaganda, do you?
Perhaps you are the one who needs to do your research outside of your nations bloody history books…..it’s nothing like what you have been told…..just as there are two sides of every nation’s history……each side tells a different story. It pays to know both sides before we make any decisions involving trust.
The truth will be revealed in the end when all humans have to account to Jehovah for their beliefs and actions. We all choose to believe what suits us….and what suits us depends on what ideology we were raised with. What is inculcated from birth will often last until we die….there is but one truth, and one faith that will save us in the end…..God will guide us to that truth, if we sincerely want what he wants, rather than being guided by the ideology we were indoctrinated with……this then will change our view of politics completely and rather than make us take sides, we will withdraw completely from what is none of our business……we can let Satan take care of his own….we belong to Christ and are determined to follow his teachings…..forever.

 

[Jericho]

Did they know what they were doing? And if so, how could human beings perpetrate such atrocities on innocent victims of geography?……on men, women and children who were the innocent victims of war, not of their making…….what if the roles had been reversed and Japan had done that to NYC and again on Washington DC a few days later?

That has, unfortunately, been the way of the world since the fall of Adam. In all wars, civilians suffer. In time's past, civilians were often targets as much as they were victims. I'm not saying it was right, but that's how it was. Regarding Hiroshima and Nagasaki, those were terrible events, but there was no easy way to end that war (a war we didn't start).

There was a plan to invade Japan (Operation Downfall), but it was abandoned because the casualties on both sides would have been too great. The Japanese believed in the concept of total war, and they were prepared to send civilians to fight against an Allied invasion. Estimated casualties ranged from hundreds of thousands to a million on the Japanese side and five hundred thousand to a million U.S. casualties. So, it may not seem like it, but dropping the bombs was the lesser of two evils. Even after dropping the bombs, not all wanted to surrender. There was a failed military coup on the emperor to prevent him from surrendering.

As an aside, the U.S. did drop leaflets warning of upcoming attacks prior to bombing raids, including on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Incidentally, more people were killed in the firebombing of Tokyo than in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Granted, more died later of radiation sickness.

 

[Wrangler]

Here is the other side of the story…..
Hiroshima

Did they know what they were doing? And if so, how could human beings perpetrate such atrocities on innocent victims of geography?

Oy vey! What a blatant Appeal to Emotion. War is hell. These "other siders" should've begun this way.

Did they know what they were doing? And if so, how could leaders of this geography betray their own people by not accepting terms of unconditional surrender sooner? Truth be told, everyone knew Nippon was losing badly for years. Sadly, our totalitarian regime would not allow innocent people expressing their honest opinion publicly. It was deemed treason by the traitors at the top.

Arming the civilian population caused estimates of 1,000,000 Allied casualties if a traditional invasion were carried out. This terrible math drove our enemies to develop life saving weapons; life saving on their side, not ours. Yamamoto was right in saying after Pearl Harbor, I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve. The resolve is to see our Empire exist no more at any price. Oh, how our leaders have betrayed us!

 

[Wrangler]

without any regard for the innocent people they slaughter

So odd for you put this burden on Japan's enemy rather than Japan's ruling class.

 

[Wrangler]

The thread is about our attitudes towards those we perceive as “enemies”. Whose enemies are they really?

Enemies of many.

I'm becoming painfully aware that modern Christianity, at least in the West, has become overly spiritualized. Ignoring the soulfull and practical needs. It's enough to know they are my enemies on the other side of the door. I need not wonder philosophically who else are they enemies with.

When seconds matter, the police are only minutes away.

Feel free to subsitute "police" with whatever other force you might be inclined to rely in that moment.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Thank you for your response @Randy Kluth.

The thread is about our attitudes towards those we perceive as “enemies”. Whose enemies are they really?

We all know about propaganda, but assume that it is the “other guy” doing it…..we are the “good guys” (right?) so we would never lie about our motives or sinister involvement in worldly conflicts.…..and yet we see in the Scriptures that under God’s law there were classifications of criminal acts. Some were forgivable, and could be atoned for, whilst others were not and demanded the death penalty.

So when nations who are under the influence of the devil, (1 John 5:19) engage in heinous methods of warfare without any regard for the innocent people they slaughter, God will demand an accounting. Killing innocent people is murder. No man has sanction from God to do that.…in his eyes there is no such thing as “collateral damage” or “friendly fire”….these are justifications that hold no weight with the Creator.

This brings us to the issue of war and a Christian’s’ involvement in it. What does God’s word tell us about how we should conduct ourselves in times of worldly conflict? If the nations have blood on their hands, do we, even by our consent, share in that bloodshed? Do we condone the wholesale slaughter of innocent people just because we are whipped up by nationalistic pride? Can that ever be justified?

If Jesus said we who are his disciples should be “no part of the world”…what did he mean?

Who is ruling this world? Is it God or is it the devil? (2 Cor 4:3-4)

Paul identified “the god of this world” as satan the devil, and tells us that he has the ability to “blind the minds of unbelievers”…..so what about those who claim to be “believers” but who engage in political agendas that divide them from their Christian brothers?…engendering hatred for them and their political choices? What part does propaganda play in creating attitudes that are anti-Christian? What is the main springboard for all propaganda? Is it not the media, creating the divide? Why do we buy into that?

What happened in the last World War? “Christians“ of various denominations, killed their own “brothers” on the opposing side over political differences.

1 John 4:20-21…..
”If anyone says, “I love God,” yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For the person who does not love his brother he has seen cannot love the God he has not seen. And we have this command from Him: The one who loves God must also love his brother.” (HCSB)

Can your brother then ever be your enemy? If we would take his life over political, racial or denominational differences, then we are the liars because it shows us up to be hypocrites.…saying one thing but doing the opposite. (Matt 5:43-44)

I see that kind of hatred on these boards and it’s a sad reality that flies in the face of all that Christ taught.
If you have differences that you cannot solve, simply withdraw from that person and have no further dealings with them. Have your say, but don’t judge individuals as condemned….or we might find ourselves judged as we judge them. (Matt 7:1; 1 Cor 10:12)

We are under instruction from God to preach….not to engage in physical violence, or to carry weapons with the intention of using them on a fellow human being.…we have no sanction for that.

Being in the military shows intent to kill because they are trained to do so……being taught to dehumanize their “enemies”. Who created those we view as “enemies”? He is the only one who can sanction death.

From the video we see that the Japanese people in the city were just like us, wanting to go about their daily activities in peace. What was done to them will demand an accounting. Just as Abel’s blood cried out to God for justice to be done in his murder. (Gen 4:10)

Can you not see political differences dividing people today more so than ever? How many of those at the recent rally where an attempt was made on the life of the former president, would identify as “Christians”?

Was the shooter concerned about collateral damage? Were the victims of that incident there because they supported God’s Kingdom…or man’s?
No true Christian would have attended such an event. Being “no part of the world” means no involvement in the way man is ruled. All corrupt human rulership is in the hands of the devil. (Luke 4:5-8)

All of it is doomed to destruction when God’s Kingdom “comes” and puts an end to Satan’s pathetic rulership. (Daniel 2:44) Only then will we see Revelation 21:2-4 fulfilled.

YOu need to realize that governments are manned by humans and thus prone to failures and sin.

Despite that God uses human government as Paul wrote in Romans 13. We need to be subject to government with the caveat they do not directly demand we viiolate the Word of God.

As for Hiroshima?

Governments go to war because someone seeks evil against another population. in the case of WW 2 It was italy, Japan and Germany that invaded and enslaved other nations.

Japan was a nation devoted to their emperor and considered him a god. The population was brought up and indoctrinated to fight to the death for the honor of their god emperor.

In order to end the murderous conquest of the Japanese empire (remember this population rejoiced in the murder of millions of Chinese civilians and using them as slave labor)

The only way to end the war would have been an invasion which would have cost millions of lives both for Japan and for the allies. The people would have fought with pichforks for the honor of the emperor. Remember soldiers are nothing more than people of a country who took up arms.

So the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were a blessing in disguise. those two horrendous acts saved millions of other civilian lives who would have gladly fought to their death.

War is a horrible and dreadful thing to happen. Until Jesus physically returns to earth to establish His kingdom, nations will need to go to war (Romans 13) to protect weaker nations.

I am agains tkilling. but I do know this, if someone came to my home and was threatening my family, I would have no problems stopping them even if it means taking their life. and war is the same thing just on a bigger scale.

 

[Windmill Charge]

Jesus told us to be “NO PART OF THE WORLD”…

No Jesus said:-
John 17:16-26New International Version - UK
16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of it. 17 Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth. 18 As you sent me into the world, I have sent them into the world. 19 For them I sanctify myself, that they too may be truly sanctified.

What you are ignorant about is that Christianity has always radical changed society, by ordinary Christians living for God and by other Christians organising and motivating change through laws and influencing society.
Never heard of the anti slavery work by Christians or the laws made to protect children and women working in mines and factories or of the work to civilised prisons and rehabilitate criminals, of the charity work done by Christians.

You made a claim, which when challenged to prove you failed to do so.
Just what worth is there in your posts if you will not back up your claims.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Oy vey! What a blatant Appeal to Emotion. War is hell. These "other siders" should've begun this way.

Did they know what they were doing? And if so, how could leaders of this geography betray their own people by not accepting terms of unconditional surrender sooner? Truth be told, everyone knew Nippon was losing badly for years. Sadly, our totalitarian regime would not allow innocent people expressing their honest opinion publicly. It was deemed treason by the traitors at the top.

Arming the civilian population caused estimates of 1,000,000 Allied casualties if a traditional invasion were carried out. This terrible math drove our enemies to develop life saving weapons; life saving on their side, not ours. Yamamoto was right in saying after Pearl Harbor, I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve. The resolve is to see our Empire exist no more at any price. Oh, how our leaders have betrayed us!

Well that is the worldly response….what is the Christian response?

You present an equally emotive reply to justify what God condemns….no human with innocent blood on their hands will have any part in the Kingdom of God. Even Israel, whom God used in their day as his executioners, were never to engage in a war that was not sanctioned by God. (Isa 1:15) If they did he punished them and if they relied on alliances with worldly nations instead of relying on their God, he allowed their enemies the victory, lest they should forget that the shedding of human blood is in his jurisdiction. God allowed Israel only to protect their God-given land…..who today have a land that is God-given and not stolen with violence, bloodshed and subjugation on their original inhabitants?
Stealing and murder are breaches of the Ten Commandments.

In the wars of the nations, all of whom “lie in the power of the wicked one” (1John 5:19)…..who is not influenced by the devil in their war machinery? Have you noticed that the Eastern block of nations parade their heinous weaponry through the streets of their nations as idols to demonstrate their military power….have you never wondered why the US and their western allied nations never do that?

 

[Aunty Jane]

So odd for you put this burden on Japan's enemy rather than Japan's ruling class.

The burden is on mankind as a whole…..because nations intent on world domination desire land and resources that are not theirs. Wars are mostly fought on political grounds, not spiritual, ones. God is not with ANY blood spilling nations and never has been.

The ones who paint themselves as the “good guys” are on each side of these conflicts and propaganda works well so that the citizens are “emotionally on board“ with all efforts to wipe out this “enemy”. That is how the world operates and they support the bloodshed, and even though they may never hold a weapon themselves……they sanction it, which makes them equally complicit in God’s eyes.

This is what it means to be “NO PART OF THE WORLD”…..Jesus meant what he said. But many who identify as “Christians“ allow themselves to be emotionally blackmailed into supporting what God never has.

How is it that your government can “own” you and “dictate” your actions, if you have signed up for military service, (even against your conscience) when you do not allow Christ to do the same thing? Whose commands have priority? (Matt 5:43-44)

Enemies of many.

I'm becoming painfully aware that modern Christianity, at least in the West, has become overly spiritualized. Ignoring the soulfull and practical needs. It's enough to know they are my enemies on the other side of the door. I need not wonder philosophically who else are they enemies with.

When seconds matter, the police are only minutes away.

Feel free to subsitute "police" with whatever other force you might be inclined to rely in that moment.

Are we not to allow what God allows? How can any Christian be “overly spiritualized” in their obedience to God? Is God then “overly spiritualized”? Is what he commands “overly spiritualized”?

When seconds matter, the police can help, but sometimes as the situation demands, the police can be used to force people to do what God forbids.
In Jesus’ day, his disciples were arrested and charged not to preach their religion under threat punishment….which in those days was a painful flogging and time spent in a dreadful prison…..did the threat of severe punishment stop the disciples from doing as Christ had commanded them?

On one occasion…..”Leading them up to the civil magistrates, they said: “These men are disturbing our city very much. They are Jews, 21 and they are proclaiming customs that it is not lawful for us to adopt or practice, seeing that we are Romans.” 22 And the crowd rose up together against them, and the civil magistrates, after tearing the garments off them, gave the command to beat them with rods. 23 After they had inflicted many blows on them, they threw them into prison and ordered the jailer to guard them securely. 24 Because he got such an order, he threw them into the inner prison and fastened their feet in the stocks.” (Acts 16:20-24)
Did they know that God would rescue them? No, they just put themselves in God’s hands and had faith that their obedience would be rewarded, if not in this life, then in the resurrection to come, if that is what it meant. That is what faith does…..it doesn’t take God’s law into its own hands, as if God is powerless.

Matt 10:37-39…..Jesus said….
”Whoever has greater affection for father or mother than for me is not worthy of me; and whoever has greater affection for son or daughter than for me is not worthy of me. 38 And whoever does not accept his torture stake and follow after me is not worthy of me. 39 Whoever finds his soul will lose it, and whoever loses his soul for my sake will find it.”

Substitute one’s nation in that statement…..for whom do we have “greater affection”?…..it means the same thing….to break God’s law to save your own life, or to protect a nation that God has handed over to the devil, will mean forfeiting it forever. No one is sanctioned by God to deliberately take a life to save their own.

True Christians, in times of war, refused to be used in the military machine to indiscriminately take innocent lives. “Collateral damage“ and “friendly fire” are teams used to justify unlawful bloodshed……they will never justify it to God who will demand an accounting.
Our warfare is “spiritual”, so our weapons are also “spiritual”……these are not dirty words that allow humans to break the laws of God with impunity. (Romans 12:17-21)…..

”Return evil for evil to no one. Take into consideration what is fine from the viewpoint of all men. 18 If possible, as far as it depends on you, be peaceable with all men. 19 Do not avenge yourselves, beloved, but yield place to the wrath; for it is written: “‘Vengeance is mine; I will repay,’ says Jehovah.” 20 But “if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by doing this you will heap fiery coals on his head.” 21 Do not let yourself be conquered by the evil, but keep conquering the evil with the good.” (Romans 12:17-21)

We are not “to return evil for evil” to anyone. It appears as if you have somehow missed that memo…..
Jehovah is the “avenger”….not us. Can you allow him to be? That is the question for all those who claim to be Christians, but whose patriotism overrides their “Christianity”.

In Satan’s world…there are no “good guys” in any government, ruling anyone….they all work for him.
Doesn’t that explain their complete ineptitude for the job? What is Jehovah plainly showing us?
Only his Kingdom can rule mankind successfully…..

 

[Aunty Jane]

YOu need to realize that governments are manned by humans and thus prone to failures and sin.

Despite that God uses human government as Paul wrote in Romans 13. We need to be subject to government with the caveat they do not directly demand we viiolate the Word of God.

Yes, and that caveat has never been rescinded. Subjection to governments can never justify the violence that God condemns. Something that is lawful for man, is not always lawful to God or to his servants.

As for Hiroshima?

Governments go to war because someone seeks evil against another population. in the case of WW 2 It was italy, Japan and Germany that invaded and enslaved other nations.

Japan was a nation devoted to their emperor and considered him a god. The population was brought up and indoctrinated to fight to the death for the honor of their god emperor.

In order to end the murderous conquest of the Japanese empire (remember this population rejoiced in the murder of millions of Chinese civilians and using them as slave labor)

The only way to end the war would have been an invasion which would have cost millions of lives both for Japan and for the allies. The people would have fought with pichforks for the honor of the emperor. Remember soldiers are nothing more than people of a country who took up arms.

So the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were a blessing in disguise. those two horrendous acts saved millions of other civilian lives who would have gladly fought to their death.

War is a horrible and dreadful thing to happen. Until Jesus physically returns to earth to establish His kingdom, nations will need to go to war (Romans 13) to protect weaker nations.

You know, it never ceases to amaze me how readily these atrocities can be justified on either the side of the conflict. Millions died so millions more could be saved? Really? That is a solution that justifies the loss of the millions who died? Are they all martyrs then from your perspective?

From the perspective of a Christian, no one is justified in taking innocent lives...period. No government can demand that from any person who identifies as a “Christian”. You own conscience is God-given and should never be violated……the purpose of military training is to deaden the conscience….and dehumanize the enemy…should a Christian ever be part of that training to kill a fellow human to whom God also gave life?

The world will do as it pleases, but we are told to be NO PART of that world….not even in tacit support.

Making conquered people your slaves is as old as history, even the Jews were allowed to enslave their enemies…..America allowed slavery of peoples trafficked for that purpose…to serve cruel masters and to make them rich with free labor. They kidnapped those people and took them away from their families as if they were somehow subhuman beings…..who told them that was OK? Wasn’t it claiming to be a ”Christian” nation? Where was the church as the voice of Christ then?

I believe that God is always in control and he allowed those heinous events to take place…..there was a positive result, outside of what you have stated above.....

The one positive that came out of the Japanese Emperor/god’s surrender, was that the Japanese people as a whole saw the fall of their “god” and he “lost face”…so they lost faith in him. As a spiritual people however, that void was filled when Christianity was introduced into that nation that had shut itself off from the world for many centuries. It’s indoctrinated people had never questioned the validity of their Emperor’s status…..until he capitulated and admitted defeat….his defeat was gain for the Christian faith. The Japanese are a strong and intelligent people for whom hard work was an inborn ethic. They are also very spiritually minded, so they are as staunch today for their Christian values as well. God can make something good out of man’s evil.

I am agains tkilling. but I do know this, if someone came to my home and was threatening my family, I would have no problems stopping them even if it means taking their life. and war is the same thing just on a bigger scale.

Personal self defense is a whole other issue…..we are talking about the wars of nations and the justification for using weapons of mass destruction against such enemies…..yet the principle remains….if we carry weapons designed to take human life, then we display intent to kill or maim, when we have no sanction from God to use any weapon against another human being.

It is said that a true Christian will take a bullet for his fellowman, but he will never fire one…..that is the example set by our Lord Jesus, who never once defended himself with violence on anyone, though he had the power and the means to do so. His disciples were also subjected to abuse, persecution and at time mob violence, and yet they endured such without malice towards those who viewed them as their enemies. (Matt 5:43-44)

We have to take a leaf out of their book, and put our individual and nationalistic indoctrinations aside, and behave as Christ taught us to......with complete reliance on God, not flawed humans.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

The poor Japs were happy as they were before the Russians went down to kill them all and got their arse whipped that badly that their whole Navy was finnished as a power in Europe.

Then the UK went down to force the Japs to open their doors to trade or else the UK would wipe them out ! the Japs said bring it on UK and we will see how you go ! you will be finnished like the Russians were and your Fleet wiped out that bad you will be finnished in Europe as number 1 So the UK ran away like a mutt ! and got the USA to go down to Japan and threat to wipe out all of Japan in fact, to put it on fire ! then the Japs had no way of winning and became slaves !

A proud Japans culture was distroyed they once lived in bliss as a proud people, too become the underdog making iron etc and ripped off no end.
Then came the attack on the USA, this was totaly allowed by the USA Government, so as to get the USA into WW2 and the people in Pearl Harbour were offered up in that AS bate !
The Graend Admiral of the Fleet was sacked on the spot, for he would not let his Fleet be openly attacked like that and said to the USA President, that the Japs are totaly comming for a fact ! for he understood Japans Culture very well.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

We can creat Wars out of nothing ! and the people will swallow it all in fact !

Look at the idiot War on Israel, They attacked Israel and have never backed off ! but our whore MSM claim it's all Israels fault ! that is total BS in fact ! What if your Nation was attacked by Terrorist like that !
Hey they brought it on ! and they are still happy to attack Israel in fact !
Joe Biden and his Socialist mates helped created that War in fact !
And what do we hear de escalate Israel de escalate ! Israel is still being attacked in fact ! if the PM of Israel gives them dogs an inch they will take it, that's a fact ! So the PM can not take that chance ! the ones who attacked fires have to be made to stand down first in fact, period !

The we have another stupid War in Ukraine that was created by the great Socialist Joe Biden and all you see is escalate escalate escalate ! and then well well Russia has to follow along too that line of game play as well ! It's not Russia that is all about pushing to escalate but only has to do so in fact ! So who is bring the War on ? Joe Biden !
What is wrong with The people in east Ukraine having a right to Vote ! for if they did have rights to Vote the War would never of started in the first place and that's a fact !

Joe Biden and his Socialist trash around the world do not want a peoples right's to Vote in fact ! why well they know that if they had that right to vote about 80% would want to join to become Russia in fact !

Look at all the outright lies that the MSM has peddled about Russia ! oh they are so weak, they are out of ammo ! the Russians are all running away or all dead ! so i wonder how many people live in Russia ? must be the same as Tasmania and the same land mass