Satan Demons Angels and Spiritual Warfare

[Christian Soldier]

So you dont believe in instances of demon possession in todays world?


Mark 16:17-18
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.../KJV

WHat do we do with this passage?

No I don't believe anyone has been demons possessed, since Christ defeated the Devil and His Demons 2000 years ago. We don't have a single recorded instance since that time.

If a Demon desires to possess someone, He must first ask Jesus for permission to possess that person. I don't believe Jesus would allow any Demon to possess anyone. Unbelievers are already possessed by the spirit of unbelief, which we inherited from father Adam.

When a person is regenerated and born again, he is possessed by a new Spirit, the Holy Spirit and the only way a Demon could possess a Christians is to coinhabit the person with the Holy Spirit. And that's impossible, and so Demon possession is impossible.

Mark 16:17-18 was speaking of the Disciples, because nobody else was given the gift of casting out devils or to speak in tongues after them. I've never heard of someone speaking a foreign language without first learning the language but the Disciples did.

The Disciples were also given the gift of immunity from snake venom and poison, and the power to heal the sick. These things were temporary gifts, they only had them until they fulfilled their purpose of taking the gospel int0o the known world and then they were all executed like Christ. John was the only one who was spared.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Correct - and you have be shown who that language relates to.

Nonsense!

Stop behaving as a dumb sheep and read the text in context! Don't add your foolish imaginations to the Word. if you don't understand just say so!

You have shown not one understanding from Ezek 28 - its clear you don't even know what its about.

F2F

i know who the language of Ezek relates to. But it doesn't mean that He has not been bound in chains for the past 2000 years.

So, as far as you're concerned, God didn't appoint any Shepherd or teachers to teach us dumb sheep. Why would God leave it up to each individual dumb sheep to interpret the scriptures anyway he sees fit. If He did that then the dumb sheep would have an excuse for their ignorance of His Word.

I'm not a Shepherd or Teacher or Minister or Pastor, because God didn't give me those gifts. They were only given to those He choose for the ministry. There's nothing worse than a dumb sheep, pretending to be a Shepherd, he is quickly devoured by the hungry lion.

I don't understand your interpretation of Ezek 28 because it doesn't make any sense. It's nothing like the orthodox interpretation

 

[Christian Soldier]

Wow, you are lost man! really lost if you believe in this stuff.


How many people have you seen get devoured by this lion?

Christian is walking along the street and all of a sudden an evil lion like creature snatches the person in front of you and you say, wow man that cant happen to me because I have faith lol

Not a single clue in that brain of yours has thought this through.

F2F

You have obviously been blinded by the Hollywood god of this world.

I've never heard of a Christian being devoured by the hungry lion because we spit in his face and he is utterly powerless to do anything about it. He is on a very short leash, so all he can do is bark like a dumb dog but that's he is.

I would drop everything i believe and follow you if you gave me one single example of a Christian ever being devoured by Satan. In fact I'll give everything I own

 

[face2face]

I don't understand your interpretation of Ezek 28 because it doesn't make any sense. It's nothing like the orthodox interpretation

Scripture interprets Scripture...if you don't know how then you should ask - this is how God has written His Word and those early church fathers were so full of mythology they couldn't see straight if they tried.

The issue is you won't try - you will refer to some blind teacher and become blind yourself.

F2F

 

[Christian Soldier]

This statement is the type of ignorance which plagues Christians today.

28:11 The word of the Lord came to me: 28:12 “Son of man, sing a lament for the king of Tyre, and say to him, ‘This is what the sovereign Lord says: Eze 28:11–12.

The discerning Bible Student will ask the question - How does this Lament relate to the King of Tyre?

While the infected christian will say in his heart "lets ignore the intended recipient of these amazing deep symbolic words and lets create our own story!"

The Bible is not a choose your own adventure @Christian Soldier - that's NOT how the inspired Word works!

F2F

The lament for the King of Tyre is a lament of humiliation for the King. It's saying "look at you now", you thought you were something special but I have bought you down to nothing!.....

 

[Christian Soldier]

Scripture interprets Scripture...if you don't know how then you should ask - this is how God has written His Word and those early church fathers were so full of mythology they couldn't see straight if they tried.

The issue is you won't try - you will refer to some blind teacher and become blind yourself.

F2F

The issue you need to deal with, is that Jesus established those early Church Fathers Himself. So what your suggesting is that Christ taught a false gospel which is full of mythology. can you see how ridiculous your argument is???

Jesus did say that many would fall away, just before He returns. He said they would not endure sound doctrine and they would cling to fables. Nothing personal but that's exactly what I see you doing, you reject the Apostolic Church model and claim this new age religion of yours trumps the One Christ established.

 

[face2face]

You have obviously been blinded by the Hollywood god of this world.

I've never heard of a Christian being devoured by the hungry lion because we spit in his face and he is utterly powerless to do anything about it. He is on a very short leash, so all he can do is bark like a dumb dog but that's he is.

I would drop everything i believe and follow you if you gave me one single example of a Christian ever being devoured by Satan. In fact I'll give everything I own

This is another example of you talking about things which don't exist. Someone is guilty of putting this trash in your head and now its time to rid yourself of it!

 

[face2face]

The lament for the King of Tyre is a lament of humiliation for the King.

Correct! Now interpret the symbols! Show a correct understanding...

It's saying "look at you now", you thought you were something special but I have bought you down to nothing!.....

Correct and it has nothing to do with some make believe fallen angel

F2F

 

[face2face]

@Christian Soldier the next time you see someone taken by this lion can you post it up as a vid?

Thanks
F2F

 

[Christian Soldier]

This is another example of you talking about things which don't exist. Someone is guilty of putting this trash in your head and now its time to rid yourself of it!

But you haven't shown me why it's trash and why you think I should get rid of it. I'm just sharing Satan's relationship to me, I boast in the fact that my Lord and savior has put Satan to open shame and made him powerless against the Elect Saints of God.

From what I can see, you have confused the spiritual realm with the material realm. Paul wasn't saying that Satan becomes a real lion and devours people, that's your childish fake view of what Paul was saying. You're obviously blissfully ignorant of the fact that Christians battle against themselves, and the wicked rulers in the heavenly places.

We fight a spiritual battle, which simple involves resisting temptation. It's s simple as that but it's not always easy, because the enemy knows our weaknesses and He sends His servants to set up traps in a vein attempt to cause us to lose our salvation, because He doesn't know who the Elect Saints of God are. He doesn't know that He is powerless against us.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Correct! Now interpret the symbols! Show a correct understanding...

Correct and it has nothing to do with some make believe fallen angel

F2F

The King of Tyre was a type of Lucifer, who became proud and arrogant because he had great wealth and power. Just as Lucifer was adorned with precious gems and he was the most beautiful and most talented of all the Angels.

But when he became proud and desired to be like God or even take His place, God cursed him and cast him out of heaven down to the earth along with all those who joined him in his rebellion against God.

So the King of Tyre suffered the same fate, he became proud and wanted to be treated as a god. So he followed in Lucifers footsteps and suffered the same fate.

 

[Christian Soldier]

@Christian Soldier the next time you see someone taken by this lion can you post it up as a vid?

Thanks
F2F

How can I record a spiritual war and spiritual slaying on camera. I can go to Kings Cross and record the prostitutes and drug addicts, to show you what dead people look like after they have been devoured. But I can't record spirits as they are invisible, I thought, someone like you already knows this

 

[face2face]

But you haven't shown me why it's trash and why you think I should get rid of it. I'm just sharing Satan's relationship to me, I boast in the fact that my Lord and savior has put Satan to open shame and made him powerless against the Elect Saints of God.

There is no such creature - end of story!

From what I can see, you have confused the spiritual realm with the material realm. Paul wasn't saying that Satan becomes a real lion and devours people, that's your childish fake view of what Paul was saying. You're obviously blissfully ignorant of the fact that Christians battle against themselves, and the wicked rulers in the heavenly places.

Again, you are referencing Ephesians 6 but you dont know what it means - its obvious from your inferences. Everything you have said so far is inferred and nothing you have said has evidence.

 

[face2face]

The King of Tyre was a type of Lucifer, who became proud and arrogant because he had great wealth and power. Just as Lucifer was adorned with precious gems and he was the most beautiful and most talented of all the Angels.

This is just terrible, its no wonder you struggle like you do.

But when he became proud and desired to be like God or even take His place, God cursed him and cast him out of heaven down to the earth along with all those who joined him in his rebellion against God.

So the King of Tyre suffered the same fate, he became proud and wanted to be treated as a god. So he followed in Lucifers footsteps and suffered the same fate.

You got that whole story from Ezek 28?

Fanciful notions placed there by those long deceived.

F2F

 

[face2face]

How can I record a spiritual war and spiritual slaying on camera.

Firstly, you can't because it doesn't exist!

I can go to Kings Cross and record the prostitutes and drug addicts, to show you what dead people look like after they have been devoured. But I can't record spirits as they are invisible, I thought, someone like you already knows this

You can't prove spirits from the Bible let alone from King Cross.

You make no sense whatsoever, show me the origin story of your fallen angel.

Take me to the first 5 books of the Bible and show me where God informs his people about this being!

F2F

 

[face2face]

I'll start to post a few facts about this subject which the OP is not in a position to state.

‘By 1800 most educated persons had abandoned the traditional Christian view of the Devil. Efforts to halt the erosion failed.’

Hinson, ‘Historical and Theological Perspectives on Satan’, Review and Expositor (89.4.624.472), 1992

‘In the nineteenth century, Christian theologians began openly questioning the existence of Satan.’

McLeod, ‘The Third “Last Thing”: The Binding of Satan (Rev. 20:1-3)’, Bibliotheca Sacra (156.624.468), 1999

Traditional Christian beliefs in satan and demons are gradually being eroded by modern Biblical scholarship. Increasingly, professional theologians are moving away from fallen angel theology.

Why so?

It is recognized that the ‘orthodox’ understanding of satan is simply nowhere in the Old Testament; it was a development of later times.

‘No passage in the Old Testament has to do directly with Satan (or the Devil) in the sense of later literature and Christian theology (the possible exception is 1 Chron. 21:1, but it seems unlikely). In this sense there is no Satan in the Old Testament. On the other hand, it is easy to see how these passages were utilized in the development of the concept of Satan. Tate, ‘Satan in the Old Testament’, Review & Expositor (89.4.462), 1992.

‘The Old Testament itself offers none of the material through which Satan emerges as the popular figure of tempter and devil. The propensity of Christians to reach such a role in Genesis 3 is to project backward into the text from later texts.’ Brueggemann, ‘Reverberations of Faith: A Theological Handbook of Old Testament Theme’, p. 188 (2002).

If you are an honest Christian and there are a few around you will have read this far and agreed with these theologians.

It is acknowledged that ‘satan’ only appears in three or four texts in the entire Old Testament, and none them depict the supernatural evil being of later Jewish and Christian theology. ‘Satan makes only three appearances in the Old Testament and in none of these is he defined as a cosmic adversary who defies divine sovereignty.’ Lincoln, ‘Liberation From the Powers: Supernatural Spirits or Societal Structures?’, in Carroll et al. (eds.), ‘The Bible in Human Society: Essays in Honor of John Rogerson’, Journal for the Study of the Old Testament Supplement Series, volume 200, p. 350 (1995)

I'll leave it here for now, as most genuine Christians who establish the OT is silent on their evil being usually begin to approach the NT references with a more open mind, as to the correct interpretation of these Greek words; adversary and false accuser.

F2F
@Aunty Jane (FYI)

 

[Christian Soldier]

There is no such creature - end of story!

Again, you are referencing Ephesians 6 but you dont know what it means - its obvious from your inferences. Everything you have said so far is inferred and nothing you have said has evidence.

The entire Bible is inferred, nothing in the Bible is straight forward. God deliberately wrote it in such a way that only His Elect would understand what it means. It is all foolishness to those who's spiritual eyes haven't been opened by God.

Jeremiah 5:21 Hear this, you stupid and senseless people! You have eyes, but you cannot see. You have ears, but you cannot hear.

There you have it, Gods Words calls them stupid and senseless.

Isaiah 6:10
“Make the heart of this people dull,
And their ears heavy,
And shut their eyes;
Lest they see with their eyes,
And hear with their ears,
And understand with their heart,
And return and be healed.”

Romans 11:8
Just as it is written:
“God has given them a spirit of stupor,
Eyes that they should not see
And ears that they should not hear,
To this very day.”

I can give you many more verses, but these leave no doubt that your view is utterly baseless.​

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[Christian Soldier]

This is just terrible, its no wonder you struggle like you do.


You got that whole story from Ezek 28?

Fanciful notions placed there by those long deceived.

F2F

I love the way you destroy every Bible doctrine, with your private opinion. You'll have to do better than that, as nobody takes you seriously so you've only convinced yourself to fall for that nonsense.

You don't seem to know what words context and application mean. You can't just assume things and apply them unless they are in line with what the rest of the Bible says about a given doctrine

 

[Christian Soldier]

Firstly, you can't because it doesn't exist!

You can't prove spirits from the Bible let alone from King Cross.

You make no sense whatsoever, show me the origin story of your fallen angel.

Take me to the first 5 books of the Bible and show me where God informs his people about this being!

F2F

Haven't you ever read the book of Genesis, where God warns His people about Satan and His deadly deception/poison.

Genesis 3:2-3 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

What do you think God was talking about, when He said "Ye shall not eat of it nor touch it, lest ye die" He wasn't talking about a tree who's fruit would make them sick and cause them to die. The fruit was actually delicious and it didn't kill their bodies that day but they died spiritually, just as everyone who the Devil deceive today will die spiritually.

You seem to be Biblically illiterate, we have 5 year old kids at Church who know these basic doctrines.

 

[Jericho]

Man doesn't need any help from Satan to be wicked, he is already born wicked and everything he does in life is evil continuously.

True, but the spiritual principalities in high places do exert a lot of influence on humanity. The Book of Daniel talks about the price of Perisa and the price of Greece. The Persian Empire was the dominant empire of Daniel's day. It was proceeded by the Greek Empire. Clearly, those spiritual principalities held sway over those empires and may have been involved in raising them up. Isaiah 14:3 and Ezkiel 28 both talk about earthly kings, but then the narrative shifts to Lucifer, who was the real power behind the earthly powers. Paul said as much, we don't wrestle against flesh and blood but against spiritual wickedness in high places (Eph 6:12). Revelation 20:3 says that Satan would be bound so he could deceive the nations no more. So clearly, Satan and his minions can exert influence.