the woman and the flood

[Randy Kluth]

I'm not saying this is the fulfillment of Rev 12, but I'm amazed at how close the current events in the Middle East look like Rev 12. Satan is out to destroy the Woman who gave birth to Christ. That Woman may be Israel. Satan is unable to dislodge the Woman from her place in Palestine. The Eagle with 2 wings comes to her aid. Currently, that appears to be the US.

Iran is seeking to send a flood against Israel, its military forces, to remove Israel from her place. But the earth swallows up the flood. In other words, the Iranian aggression is stifled.

This makes Satan extra angry with those who are also the children of the Woman, namely Christians. Satan will, under Antichrist, try to destroy Christianity, which supports the promise of Israel's national salvation. Sounds a lot like today, huh?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I'm not saying this is the fulfillment of Rev 12, but I'm amazed at how close the current events in the Middle East look like Rev 12. Satan is out to destroy the Woman who gave birth to Christ. That Woman may be Israel. Satan is unable to dislodge the Woman from her place in Palestine. The Eagle with 2 wings comes to her aid. Currently, that appears to be the US.

Iran is seeking to send a flood against Israel, its military forces, to remove Israel from her place. But the earth swallows up the flood. In other words, the Iranian aggression is stifled.

This makes Satan extra angry with those who are also the children of the Woman, namely Christians. Satan will, under Antichrist, try to destroy Christianity, which supports the promise of Israel's national salvation. Sounds a lot like today, huh?

Christians are not the children of the nation of Israel, we are the children of the spiritual Israel of God. We are the children of the heavenly Jerusalem.

Galatians 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

 

[Randy Kluth]

Christians are not the children of the nation of Israel, we are the children of the spiritual Israel of God. We are the children of the heavenly Jerusalem.

Galatians 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

True, Christianity today is not the children of Israel. However, the beginning Christian Church was in Israel. Again, not saying that Rev 12 is being fulfilled in the Middle East today. It just appeared on its face to look like it to me. I'm kind of projecting what I think is going to happen next, based on what Iran is saying and how the Bible views those who oppressed Israel in ancient history at certain times. As in the time of King Hezekiah, the invading Army was crushed.

 

[tailgator]

I'm not saying this is the fulfillment of Rev 12, but I'm amazed at how close the current events in the Middle East look like Rev 12. Satan is out to destroy the Woman who gave birth to Christ. That Woman may be Israel. Satan is unable to dislodge the Woman from her place in Palestine. The Eagle with 2 wings comes to her aid. Currently, that appears to be the US.

Iran is seeking to send a flood against Israel, its military forces, to remove Israel from her place. But the earth swallows up the flood. In other words, the Iranian aggression is stifled.

This makes Satan extra angry with those who are also the children of the Woman, namely Christians. Satan will, under Antichrist, try to destroy Christianity, which supports the promise of Israel's national salvation. Sounds a lot like today, huh?

It was Herod,king of Judea who sought to kill Christ.

 

[tailgator]

The woman

Mathew 12
47 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.

48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?

49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!

50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

True, Christianity today is not the children of Israel. However, the beginning Christian Church was in Israel. Again, not saying that Rev 12 is being fulfilled in the Middle East today. It just appeared on its face to look like it to me. I'm kind of projecting what I think is going to happen next, based on what Iran is saying and how the Bible views those who oppressed Israel in ancient history at certain times. As in the time of King Hezekiah, the invading Army was crushed.

I believe, just like is the case throughout the New Testament, our focus should be on Jesus Christ and things relevant to Him and His church and not on a nation where most of them reject Him.

 

[Randy Kluth]

I believe, just like is the case throughout the New Testament, our focus should be on Jesus Christ and things relevant to Him and His church and not on a nation where most of them reject Him.

Not to encourage an endless back and forth on this I must say that God did show concern for a nation that rejected Him. That was true on a number of occasions in the Old Testament. Neither can I ignore Paul's statement that Israel has not been rejected in Rom 9-11.

 

[Randy Kluth]

It was Herod,king of Judea who sought to kill Christ.

I'm not sure that is recorded as such? Not even Pilate sought to kill Christ. It was the Jewish mob, as well as the Jewish leadership, that sought to have Christ killed.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Not to encourage an endless back and forth on this I must say that God did show concern for a nation that rejected Him. That was true on a number of occasions in the Old Testament. Neither can I ignore Paul's statement that Israel has not been rejected in Rom 9-11.

Did I say that Israel had been rejected? I did not, right? Paul's evidence that God had not rejected the people of Israel is that there were a remnant of saved Israelites in his day (Romans 11:5-7). God has never rejected Israel. He rejects people who refuse to repent and believe regardless of what nation they are from. He does not show favoritism and accepts people from all nations who believe in Him. The concept of God focusing on one nation over any other contradicts what is taught repeatedly in the New Testament.

Acts 10:34 Then Peter began to speak: “I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism 35 but accepts from every nation the one who fears him and does what is right.

 

[tailgator]

I'm not sure that is recorded as such? Not even Pilate sought to kill Christ. It was the Jewish mob, as well as the Jewish leadership, that sought to have Christ killed.

Soon as he was born.

Revelation 12
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.


Mathew 2
13 And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him.

14 When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt:

15 And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.

16 Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently inquired of the wise men.






The Israeli government will not be fleeing into the wilderness.The church will be fleeing from the Israeli government.


But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren? And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

 

[ReChoired]

I'm not saying this is the fulfillment of Rev 12, but I'm amazed at how close the current events in the Middle East look like Rev 12. Satan is out to destroy the Woman who gave birth to Christ. That Woman may be Israel. Satan is unable to dislodge the Woman from her place in Palestine. The Eagle with 2 wings comes to her aid. Currently, that appears to be the US.

Iran is seeking to send a flood against Israel, its military forces, to remove Israel from her place. But the earth swallows up the flood. In other words, the Iranian aggression is stifled.

This makes Satan extra angry with those who are also the children of the Woman, namely Christians. Satan will, under Antichrist, try to destroy Christianity, which supports the promise of Israel's national salvation. Sounds a lot like today, huh?

Revelation 12 a study (Powerpoint) - Revelation 12 – The Great Controversy Powerpoint : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

 

[Randy Kluth]

Soon as he was born.

Ok. Yes Herod wanted him dead. Missed that.

The Israeli government will not be fleeing into the wilderness.The church will be fleeing from the Israeli government.

The International Church is not endangered by the Israeli govt. As I said, I don't really know the meaning of Rev 12. It just seemed to fit what's happening at this particular time, with Iran threatening to send an army into Israel. Perhaps they won't even get that far?

 

[tailgator]

Ok. Yes Herod wanted him dead. Missed that.

The International Church is not endangered by the Israeli govt. As I said, I don't really know the meaning of Rev 12. It just seemed to fit what's happening at this particular time, with Iran threatening to send an army into Israel. Perhaps they won't even get that far?

The church in Israel.is not in danger yet.
It will flee into the wilderness after the second beast arrives in Israel.

Israel is not overcome by its enemies untill 3.5 years after it starts it persecution of the church in Israel.Jesus talks about the persecution in Israel throughout the gospel and in his Olivet discourse.
After the 42 months persecution,nation rises against nation and kingdom against kingdom.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I'm not saying this is the fulfillment of Rev 12, but I'm amazed at how close the current events in the Middle East look like Rev 12. Satan is out to destroy the Woman who gave birth to Christ. That Woman may be Israel. Satan is unable to dislodge the Woman from her place in Palestine. The Eagle with 2 wings comes to her aid. Currently, that appears to be the US.

Iran is seeking to send a flood against Israel, its military forces, to remove Israel from her place. But the earth swallows up the flood. In other words, the Iranian aggression is stifled.

This makes Satan extra angry with those who are also the children of the Woman, namely Christians. Satan will, under Antichrist, try to destroy Christianity, which supports the promise of Israel's national salvation. Sounds a lot like today, huh?

well remember all of this happens after the abomination of desolation. We have not even begun to see the worse of it yet..

Stan also has not yet been cast down. so again, it will get worse

 

[Randy Kluth]

well remember all of this happens after the abomination of desolation. We have not even begun to see the worse of it yet..

Stan also has not yet been cast down. so again, it will get worse

I have no doubt it will get worse! As for the AoD, I see that as having been fulfilled in 70 AD. I'm not a Preterist, but I share that belief with them.

Keep in mind, I wasn't interpreting Rev 12. I just noticed the similarity with today's situation having Iran prepare to attack Israel. Can't say I've ever really understood Rev 12. Thanks for your thoughts....

 

[Randy Kluth]

The church in Israel.is not in danger yet.
It will flee into the wilderness after the second beast arrives in Israel.

Israel is not overcome by its enemies untill 3.5 years after it starts it persecution of the church in Israel.Jesus talks about the persecution in Israel throughout the gospel and in his Olivet discourse.
After the 42 months persecution,nation rises against nation and kingdom against kingdom.

Oh, gotcha now. You're talking about the church in Israel, and not the entire international Church? I suppose that's a possible interpretation.

As for 2 periods of 3.5 years, I don't interpret Daniel's 70th Week that way. I feel that was fulfilled at the death of Christ. But I realize there are other respectable views.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I have no doubt it will get worse! As for the AoD, I see that as having been fulfilled in 70 AD. I'm not a Preterist, but I share that belief with them.

Well the temple was destroyed in 70 AD. but there was no AOD in 70 AD or Anything like it.

And liek I said, according to jesus, all this stuff you speak happen immediatly after the AOD.. and lasts for 3.5 years.

Keep in mind, I wasn't interpreting Rev 12. I just noticed the similarity with today's situation having Iran prepare to attack Israel. Can't say I've ever really understood Rev 12. Thanks for your thoughts....

It does look oddly familiar.. I agree there. I was just thinking out loud how much worse the real events will be, and it saddened me

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The church in Israel.is not in danger yet.
It will flee into the wilderness after the second beast arrives in Israel.

Actually Israel will flee to the wilderness.. She is the woman,.

The church (gentile believers) are the offspring. and will be persecuted greatly during this time, and God will allow it

Israel is not overcome by its enemies untill 3.5 years after it starts it persecution of the church in Israel.Jesus talks about the persecution in Israel throughout the gospel and in his Olivet discourse.
After the 42 months persecution,nation rises against nation and kingdom against kingdom.

Not sure I understand what your saying here. who is persecuting who?

Israel is never overcome, at the end, Israel repents and is restored.

 

[Randy Kluth]

Well the temple was destroyed in 70 AD. but there was no AOD in 70 AD or Anything like it.

That's true if the AoD is an idol placed in the temple. I see the AoD as an Army that destroys the temple.

And liek I said, according to jesus, all this stuff you speak happen immediatly after the AOD.. and lasts for 3.5 years.

The reign of Antichrist does last 3.5 years. And what is happening now does precede that, though I don't have a clue how much more will happen or how long it will last?

It does look oddly familiar.. I agree there. I was just thinking out loud how much worse the real events will be, and it saddened me

For sure!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

That's true if the AoD is an idol placed in the temple. I see the AoD as an Army that destroys the temple.

That happened in AD 70. And the army did destroy the temple

the abomination (an idol or unclean things) that causes desolation is an idol placed in a holy place. that is the defenition of the term.

The reign of Antichrist does last 3.5 years. And what is happening now does precede that, though I don't have a clue how much more will happen or how long it will last?

For sure!

I do believe we are deep into the birth pangs.. It looks like the worlds financial collapse may be in motion, and we are so close to WW3 I can taste it..