Mystery Babylon is a CITY Per God's Word

[TribulationSigns]

Rev 11.8 could also be talking about a figurative application of Jerusalem to the fallen Church which, like Jerusalem, turned against their own Messiah. I don't happen to think that, but it's possible in my book.

I agree. Revelation 11 is talking about God's New Testament congregation, the church, with His chosen Elect as Witnesses therein. The Two Witnesses are Christians with the Holy Spirit to preach the gospel to the world. The number two in Scripture signifies agreement and by implication, Truth. Therefore, Christians had become God's witnesses for Truth when they receive the power of the Holy Spirit:
Act 1:8
(8) But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Rev 11:3-4
(3) And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
(4) These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

God has declared that the Church is the pillar and ground of the Truth (1st Timothy 3:15), this number is also often used in association with it. It is a numerical symbolism of a faithful (TRUTHFUL) witness or testimony. For example, one being in agreement or a "confirming" witness of another. They are Lord's faithful witnesses who bear testimony to the Truth for whole New Testament period until Christ finish secured all Elect. After t his, their testimony will end and the beast will come out of bottomless pit to overcome them, and kill them. It does not mean that Satan will have all witnesses by physically killed, but that our testimony of truth for the purpose for salvation has ended.

When this happens, the church all over the world as a great city will go into apostasy because of the rise of false prophets and christs as Satan works through them in order to sit (rule) in the church. This is when Satan is revealed through the false prophets and christs which I believe I am witnessing today for a while now. For example, Joel Osteen, Joyce Meyers, Todd Bentley, Joseph Prince, etc. etc. etc.

So yes, Jersualem ON THIS SIDE OF THE CROSS represents the Church, not national Israel, Rome, New York, etc.

Rev 17:12-18
(12) And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
(13) These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
(14) These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
(15) And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
(16) And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
(17) For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
(18) And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

Satan wants to rule in God's congregation because all unsaved people of the world are already under his camp. Because of unfaithfulness, God allowed the false prophets and christs (ten kings), to give their kingdom (church) to Satan for a short season (one hour) until Christ returns. So the great tribulation is FOR THE ELECT who can see Satan revealed through the false prophets and christs where they have to leave the church to avoid being a partaker of God's judgment upon her just like God did with Lot and his family in Sodom. This has everything to do with God's church, not about the Middle Eastern nation of Israel which is why many people misunderstood who Jersualem in Revelation really is.

 

[Davy]

Your error has been made obvious already by myself and others - it's the part of YOUR sentence crossed out below, which does not appear anywhere in scripture, and the part that you think because you added it to the scriptures, it means it's true:​

That's just a vain... affirmation. Do you know what an 'affirmation' is? It's the act of claiming something is true, in HOPES that it might work out as being true, when in reality it is just HOT AIR with no proof. That's all you have done with your posts, and others who do the same as you, which is why you rarely refer to relevant written Bible Scripture to back up your false ideas. You instead try to use unrelated Bible Scripture not linked to the topic of Paul's "temple of God" of 2 Thess.2.

 

[Davy]

... the one and only sanctuary of God according to Christ and according to His apostles and according to the Greek New Testament's distinction made between the physical temple in Jerusalem (the hieron) and the sanctuary of God (the naos).
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FALSE ASSUMPTION -- the Greek word naos was used to represent:
a. the traditional Jerusalem stone temple
b. Christ's body as the temple
c. Paul's Spiritual Temple idea of 1 Cor.3 and 1 Cor.6, and Eph.2.

Thus nothing Zao is saying can be proven by that sole 'naos' Greek word.

All one simply need do to find this out is look up Greek naos (NT:3485) in their Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, or The Englishman's Concordance. Zao is counting on the Bible student not doing that look up, so he can push the false doctrine of man he follows, upon you!


Here's some New Testament examples of how the Greek word naos was used in the Greek New Testament...

Matt.23:16 -- about the traditional stone temple in Jerusalem.

Matt.27:5 -- about the traditional stone temple in Jerusalem. (many more by Jesus Himself).

John 2:19 -- Jesus speaking of the temple of His body.

1 Cor.3:16 -- Paul referring to the body of a member in Christ as a temple.

1 Cor.3:17 -- refers to God's Spiritual Temple idea.

2 Thess.2:4 -- Paul referring to the traditional Jerusalem stone temple which the coming Antichrist at the end of this world will sit in and play GOD.

Revelation 11:1-2 -- referring to a traditional stone temple in Jerusalem built for the end of this world, pointing to those who worship in it.

Revelation 11:19 thru Revelation 16:17 -- referring to the temple of heaven.


Thus it is EASY to see that Tao's argument on the Greek word naos for 'temple' is BOGUS, and is NOT following the actual New Testament Bible Scriptures. Greek naos is used for the Jerusalem stone temple, or Christ's body, or God's Spiritual Temple that CANNOT BE CORRUPTED. What Tao is doing is called 'root fallacy'. It is when someone tries to rely on a single word in The Bible to prove their points. To confirm every word, as Paul said, it requires more than one witness (Matt.18:16; 2 Cor.13:1).

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

FALSE ASSUMPTION -- the Greek word naos was used to represent:
a. the traditional Jerusalem stone temple
b. Christ's body as the temple
c. Paul's Spiritual Temple idea of 1 Cor.3 and 1 Cor.6, and Eph.2.

Thus nothing Zao is saying can be proven by that sole 'naos' Greek word.

All one simply need do to find this out is look up Greek naos (NT:3485) in their Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, or The Englishman's Concordance. Zao is counting on the Bible student not doing that look up, so he can push the false doctrine of man he follows, upon you!


Here's some New Testament examples of how the Greek word naos was used in the Greek New Testament...

Matt.23:16 -- about the traditional stone temple in Jerusalem.

Matt.27:5 -- about the traditional stone temple in Jerusalem. (many more by Jesus Himself).

John 2:19 -- Jesus speaking of the temple of His body.

1 Cor.3:16 -- Paul referring to the body of a member in Christ as a temple.

1 Cor.3:17 -- refers to God's Spiritual Temple idea.

2 Thess.2:4 -- Paul referring to the traditional Jerusalem stone temple which the coming Antichrist at the end of this world will sit in and play GOD.

Revelation 11:1-2 -- referring to a traditional stone temple in Jerusalem built for the end of this world, pointing to those who worship in it.

Revelation 11:19 thru Revelation 16:17 -- referring to the temple of heaven.


Thus it is EASY to see that Tao's argument on the Greek word naos for 'temple' is BOGUS, and is NOT following the actual New Testament Bible Scriptures. Greek naos is used for the Jerusalem stone temple, or Christ's body, or God's Spiritual Temple that CANNOT BE CORRUPTED. What Tao is doing is called 'root fallacy'. It is when someone tries to rely on a single word in The Bible to prove their points. To confirm every word, as Paul said, it requires more than one witness (Matt.18:16; 2 Cor.13:1).

Explain how exactly a future physical temple would be one that God would accept as being His temple. Why would He want such a temple?

Acts 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; 25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;

 

[Davy]

Explain how exactly a future physical temple would be one that God would accept as being His temple. Why would He want such a temple?

God is not going to accept that future 3rd stone temple the unbelieving Jews in today's Israel are going to build for the end. But still, to those unbelieving Jews, it will be the traditional "temple of God" in their eyes. The future rebuilding of their temple in Jerusalem is what Zionism is especially about. The orthodox Jews have sought that ever since the Romans in 70 A.D. destroyed Jerusalem and the 2nd temple, and scattered them.

Acts 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; 25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;

That applies to Christianity, NOT the old covenant beliefs of today's Orthodox Jews in Israel and in the world. Those in Christ well know that GOD does not dwell in stone temples built by men. However, God DID... allow the children of Israel under The Old Covenant to build a stone temple requiring sacrifices and for worshiping Him.

So failure to see this through the Orthodox Jewish viewpoint means to not understand why the Jews want to build another stone temple in Jerusalem.

But more importantly for the Christian, failure to grasp that another Jewish stone temple built in today's Jerusalem is a requirement of prophecy about the endtime events, can mean being deceived by that "man of sin" Paul warned us about that will sit in their future 3rd stone temple and play God, working great signs and wonders to deceive the whole... world with.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

God is not going to accept that future 3rd stone temple the unbelieving Jews in today's Israel are going to build for the end. But still, to those unbelieving Jews, it will be the traditional "temple of God" in their eyes. The future rebuilding of their temple in Jerusalem is what Zionism is especially about. The orthodox Jews have sought that ever since the Romans in 70 A.D. destroyed Jerusalem and the 2nd temple, and scattered them.

No temple that God Himself would not call His temple can be called "the temple of God". You will not find any reference in all of scripture to "the temple of God" that is not actually God's temple and what God Himself would consider to be His temple. Nowhere does Paul indicate that "the temple of God" he referenced in 2 Thess 2:4 is actually just a fake temple of God.

That applies to Christianity, NOT the old covenant beliefs of today's Orthodox Jews in Israel and in the world. Those in Christ well know that GOD does not dwell in stone temples built by men. However, God DID... allow the children of Israel under The Old Covenant to build a stone temple requiring sacrifices and for worshiping Him.

So failure to see this through the Orthodox Jewish viewpoint means to not understand why the Jews want to build another stone temple in Jerusalem.

But more importantly for the Christian, failure to grasp that another Jewish stone temple built in today's Jerusalem is a requirement of prophecy about the endtime events, can mean being deceived by that "man of sin" Paul warned us about that will sit in their future 3rd stone temple and play God, working great signs and wonders to deceive the whole... world with.

You are contradicting scripture by calling a temple that would not even be God's temple "the temple of God". That idea is never found in scripture. So, 2 Thess 2 relates to people in the church, which is the temple of God, falling away and losing their faith in God and essentially considering themselves to be God because they think they don't need God anymore. Paul describes that in a figurative way and is not describing an individual Antichrist sitting in a physical temple claiming to be God. That does not even fit the context of what Paul talks about in 2 Thess 2:1-12 which is all about a time before Christ's return when God stops restraining wickedness and gives people over to their delusions.

 

[Davy]

No temple that God Himself would not call His temple can be called "the temple of God".

That's an idiotic statement. You should keep repeating that to yourself until you grasp how incoherent and illogical that statement actually is.

What about a church building that claim to believe The Gospel, but also teach witchcraft, sorcery, idol worship, etc., like the Church of Thyratira in Rev.2? Would God call that a "Church", even though deceived believers on Him that practice iniquity under an Jezebel calls it a Church?

See... your logic just does not fit reality.

The Orthodox unbelieving Jews will... call their new 3rd temple the "temple of God", even they will be deceived with the coming false-Messiah they will worship that will sit in it!

So go back and tell your orthodox brethren that Jesus warned them long ago about rejecting Him, and He then told them they would instead accept another. Well that another (a false-Messiah) is coming soon, to Jerusalem to fulfill that!

(Yeah brethren, there's actually false Jews that come to this forum and try to claim there won't be another 3rd Jewish stone temple built in Jerusalem for the end of this world, just to try and make sure brethren in Christ stay deceived about the end and that coming false one that Apostle Paul warned us about in 2 Thessalonians 2 that is to come to SIT in that "temple of God" STONE TEMPLE IN JERUSALEM FOR THE END, and he will play GOD, as written!)

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

That's an idiotic statement.

LOL. You are unbelievably foolish. Just no discernment about this whatsoever. It is utter idiocy to think that any temple that God Himself would not consider to be His temple is one that scripture would call the temple of God. That is utter moronic lunacy and buffoonery.

You should keep repeating that to yourself until you grasp how incoherent and illogical that statement actually is.

LOL. Just keep talking, boy. You're trying to make scripture say whatever you want it to say, which is deceptive Satanic stupidity. The temple of God is always just that. God's temple. A temple that God Himself would call His temple. Nowhere does scripture speak of a future fake temple of God. It says a lot about you that you have to resort to making things up to keep your weak doctrine afloat.

What about a church building that claim to believe The Gospel, but also teach witchcraft, sorcery, idol worship, etc., like the Church of Thyratira in Rev.2? Would God call that a "Church", even though deceived believers on Him that practice iniquity under an Jezebel calls it a Church?

See... your logic just does not fit reality.

This is absolute stupidity. If you actually read all of Revelation 2:18-24 you would see that it was not all in that church who practices those things, but just some of them. There were both true Christians in that church and those who only thought they were. Most churches are that way, but it doesn't mean they are not Christian churches. You are talking about a future physical temple built by Christ rejecting Jews that would not be made for the one true God who is Father, Son and Holy Spirit. There's no possible way that such a temple could be considered the temple of God. That is pure nonsense.

The Orthodox unbelieving Jews will... call their new 3rd temple the "temple of God", even they will be deceived with the coming false-Messiah they will worship that will sit in it!

Who gives a rip what unbelievers would call it? Paul called it "the temple of God". Do you think would call some imaginary temple built by unbelieving Jews "the temple of God"? No chance! That is delusional, idiotic thinking.

So go back and tell your orthodox brethren that Jesus warned them long ago about rejecting Him, and He then told them they would instead accept another. Well that another (a false-Messiah) is coming soon, to Jerusalem to fulfill that!

That is all made up in your imagination because of your willingness to shamefully make scripture say what you want it to say.

(Yeah brethren, there's actually false Jews that come to this forum and try to claim there won't be another 3rd Jewish stone temple built in Jerusalem for the end of this world, just to try and make sure brethren in Christ stay deceived about the end and that coming false one that Apostle Paul warned us about in 2 Thessalonians 2 that is to come to SIT in that "temple of God" STONE TEMPLE IN JERUSALEM FOR THE END, and he will play GOD, as written!)

Nice story. Too bad your doctrine is all made up in your imagination. Thinking such a temple is one that Paul would call "the temple of God" is foolish, at best.

 

[covenantee]

LOL. You are unbelievably foolish. Just no discernment about this whatsoever. It is utter idiocy to think that any temple that God Himself would not consider to be His temple is one that scripture would call the temple of God. That is utter moronic lunacy and buffoonery.


LOL. Just keep talking, boy. You're trying to make scripture say whatever you want it to say, which is deceptive Satanic stupidity. The temple of God is always just that. God's temple. A temple that God Himself would call His temple. Nowhere does scripture speak of a future fake temple of God. It says a lot about you that you have to resort to making things up to keep your weak doctrine afloat.


This is absolute stupidity. If you actually read all of Revelation 2:18-24 you would see that it was not all in that church who practices those things, but just some of them. There were both true Christians in that church and those who only thought they were. Most churches are that way, but it doesn't mean they are not Christian churches. You are talking about a future physical temple built by Christ rejecting Jews that would not be made for the one true God who is Father, Son and Holy Spirit. There's no possible way that such a temple could be considered the temple of God. That is pure nonsense.


Who gives a rip what unbelievers would call it? Paul called it "the temple of God". Do you think would call some imaginary temple built by unbelieving Jews "the temple of God"? No chance! That is delusional, idiotic thinking.


That is all made up in your imagination because of your willingness to shamefully make scripture say what you want it to say.


Nice story. Too bad your doctrine is all made up in your imagination. Thinking such a temple is one that Paul would call "the temple of God" is foolish, at best.

Amens, bro.

 

[Phoneman777]

I agree. Revelation 11 is talking about God's New Testament congregation, the church, with His chosen Elect as Witnesses therein. The Two Witnesses are Christians with the Holy Spirit to preach the gospel to the world.

We can either guess or we can allow "holy men who spake as they were moved by the holy ghost" to interpret Revelation 11 symbolism for us.

In Scripture, "holy men" represent the Holy Spirit as "oil".

The "holy man" Zechariah plainly tells us in chapter 4 that the olive trees aka "sons of oil" and candlesticks represent the "Word of the Lord" which is the "offspring" of the Holy Ghost - because "all Scripture is given by inspiration of God" - right?

So, when so when we get to Revelation, we should unavoidably conclude that the olive tree and candlesticks, too, are representative of that same Word - not congregations of people.

We must look along the prophetic timeline and find out what event marks the Bible being "killed" or "taken away" for exactly 3 1/2 prophetic days or literal years...and when we do so, there's only one we can find.

 

[TribulationSigns]

We can either guess

Not a guess. Its God's interpreation, according to Scripture.

or we can allow "holy men who spake as they were moved by the holy ghost" to interpret Revelation 11 symbolism for us.

So am I. The Holy Spirit speaks to us through Scripture. The Holy Spirit inspired the words that are penned in the Bible, and He also makes a point to illuminate the meaning of those words to our hearts and minds as we read them, pray over them, and dwell on them.

In Scripture, "holy men" represent the Holy Spirit as "oil".

Chapter and Verse, please.

The "holy man" Zechariah plainly tells us in chapter 4 that the olive trees aka "sons of oil" and candlesticks represent the "Word of the Lord" which is the "offspring" of the Holy Ghost - because "all Scripture is given by inspiration of God" - right?

LOL. My goodness. The "sons of oil" is purely your imagination. Nowhere does it say in Scripture. Yo uare getting really strange with your interpretation. Offspring of the Holy Ghost? Crazy talking.

So, when so when we get to Revelation, we should unavoidably conclude that the olive tree and candlesticks, too, are representative of that same Word - not congregations of people.

Two things:

First, you obviously do not know the mystery of the candlesticks. God has already defined it as congregation/church:

Rev 1:20
(20) The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

Second, as for the number two, I think that it is obviously two candlesticks because the "context" is discussing the signification of the Lord's "Two Witnesses." Had it been discussing seven witnesses that would signify completeness or perfection. Therefore, the truthful church of one body is represented by His two witnesses, his two Candlesticks, his two Olive Trees, and his two Prophets. It would be inconsistent to say they are two olives trees and seven candlesticks are the "sons of oil" or the "offspring of the Holy Spirit". In other words, the symbol or sign of two witnesses would "logically" be two candlesticks, olive trees, and prophets, since the candlesticks and prophets also symbolize the church.

Revelation 11:3-4

• "And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
• These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth."

God is talking about His two Witnesses, and therefore they are also symbolized "AS" two Candlesticks. So it is natural that they would be two. It would be out of flow (in this context) to call these "two" witnesses "seven" Candlesticks when the emphasis is on their bringing the truth.

The important thing is that a Candlestick [luchnia] or Lampstand symbolizes the church, yes the people of the congregation. The numbers are always added as the context requires. We are all prophets, olive trees, and candlesticks, and numbers merely adds spiritual significance depending upon the context.

Matthew 5:15-16

• "Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
• Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven."

Again, it is us as the church here that is symbolized by "a" candlestick [luchnia] or lampstand. It doesn't mean that there is only one candlestick throughout the Bible, but in "this context" the believer is represented by a candle and the church as the candlestick. Likewise, that is the figure in Revelation chapter 11 but with the spiritual signification of the number two. One here, two in Revelation chapter 11 because they represent the TRUTHFUL two witnesses, and seven in Revelation chapter two because they are a TRUE representation of the "completeness" of churches down through time. The number 7 symbolizes completeness or totality.

The two Witnesses equal two candlesticks equals two olive trees, equals two prophets. They all here equal the elect church, the true witnesses of God that were given power and that are hated of the world.

We must look along the prophetic timeline and find out what event marks the Bible being "killed" or "taken away" for exactly 3 1/2 prophetic days or literal years...and when we do so, there's only one we can find.

No no no...

First, do you even understand HOW the faithful Elect represented as the Two Witnesses be "killed" by the beast? You need to remember about HOW they received the POWER to preach (prophesy) the Gospel to the world before they started their 1,260 days ministry (if you even understand what 1,260 days refers to) until they were killed. Did the Lord talk about the physical killing of Two WItnesses here? Of course not. But I am not going to explain this in-depth because you have to get few things right first becasue I can see that you do not handle the Scripture properly, lacks spiritual understanding of the Gospel, and how you are adding to God's Word with phrases. I am interested if you can explain what the fire coming out of the mouths of Two Witnesses of the Word upon their enemy signifies? And how do they be able to have the power to shut heaven, power to turn water into blood, power to smith the Earth with all plagues as often as they will. What does these mean actually? I doubt you will be able to explain this biblically right now, so give yourself some time researching on these with your Bible and pray for wisdom and come back with the biblical answer before I will explain again how the Two Witnesses are killed by the beast and the "prophetic timeline" of 1,260 days.

 

[Phoneman777]

LOL. My goodness. The "sons of oil" is purely your imagination. Nowhere does it say in Scripture. Yo uare getting really strange with your interpretation. Offspring of the Holy Ghost? Crazy talking.

Not my imagination - the two "anointed ones" are in the original language rendered "sons of oil".

I'll pass on responding to the rest of your post, but thank you, and I hope you learn to do a little research before characterizing other spiritual propositions as "strange" and "crazy" and "imaginative".

 

[TribulationSigns]

Not my imagination - the two "anointed ones" are in the original language rendered "sons of oil".

I was waiting to see if you could provide Scripture and explain it in details but seem you did not. I will do this for you and clear your misinterpretation of who the two anointed ones, two olive trees and two candlesticks:

Zec 4:11-14
(11) Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof?
(12) And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?
(13) And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.
(14) Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.

The "anointed ones" is literally "sons of oil." The term can refer to:

• Fresh, new oil
• Those who have been ANOINTED with the Holy Spirit
• Those who are EMPOWERED to be His lamps

Believe it or not, in God's eyes, the anointed ones are people with the Holy Spirit to preach the Gospel of Light to the world. They are "AS" the two Olive Trees and the two candlesticks. As it is written:

Act 1:8
(8) But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Rev 11:3-4
(3) And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
(4) These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

God is talking about Christians through faithful service to God, which is why people can also be "sons (and daughters) of oil!" In other words, they are the anointed ones on Earth to preach God's Word. SELAH!

I'll pass on responding to the rest of your post, but thank you, and I hope you learn to do a little research before characterizing other spiritual propositions as "strange" and "crazy" and "imaginative".

I thought that you could not want to do some homework and answer questions like how the Two Witnesses received the power (hint, hint, above), and how they were killed by the beast. And how the fire comes out of their mouths to burn enemies, etc. etc. You pass on this, because.. you cannot gainsay or resist? :-)

Regardless, take your time with the homework I assigned for you and reply when you think you can figure it out with Scripture. As for now, the anointed one, the sons of oil, the two witnesses, the two olive trees, the two candlesticks, etc. are all representing the people of the Congregation with the Holy Spirit on Earth. This is how God see things! Selah!

 

[Phoneman777]

I was waiting to see if you could provide Scripture and explain it in details but seem you did not.

I'm waiting to see if your research will lead you to conclude that "anointed ones" in the original Hebrew is literally "sons of oil".

I learned this years ago, so I think I'll pass on being instructed by someone who won't can't be bothered to investigate it when it's handed to him on a silver platter.

 

[TribulationSigns]

I'm waiting to see if your research will lead you to conclude that "anointed ones" in the original Hebrew is literally "sons of oil".

The anointed ones and the "sons of oil" are the same. Yet do you understand WHO they are in God's eyes? Did you read carefully what I have explained regarding the relationship between anointed ones/sons of oil with the two witnesses, two olive trees, and two candlesticks?

Why weren't you paying attention to these instead of your so-called "silver platter."

I learned this years ago, so I think I'll pass on being instructed by someone who won't can't be bothered to investigate it when it's handed to him on a silver platter.

And I did investigate and explained exactly who they were. Weren't you listening? :-)

 

[Phoneman777]

The anointed ones and the "sons of oil" are the same.

Oh, turns out I'm not that "crazy" and "strange" and "imaginative" after all, right?

 

[Phoneman777]

So, 2 Thess 2 relates to people in the church, which is the temple of God

I agree. A rebuilt temple in Jerusalem could never the "temple of God" for several reasons, but most importantly because such a blasphemous intercessory ministry conducted in that temple denies Christ and His ministry of intercession in the heavenly sanctuary.

 

[Phoneman777]

Why should I play patty-cake-bakers-man with you on this matter of who the "great whore" and "woman" of Rev.17 is? Rev.11:8 revealed the "great city" is where Lord Jesus was crucified (JERUSALEM), and the last verse of Rev.17 reveals the "great whore" and "woman" of that chapter is a "great city".

Davy...

>Jesus is "crucified" anywhere saints are crucified b/c "you have done it unto Me" - Rome being the GOAT
>"Sodom" (homoseggs) & "Egypt" (capital of occultism) and "crucifixion" describe Rome - not Jerusalem
>Peter deliberately chose "the church that is in (Mystery) Babylon" to refer to Christians in Rome

The scales of evidence tip in favor of Rome as "Mystery Babylon/that Great City" - not Jerusalem.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Oh, turns out I'm not that "crazy" and "strange" and "imaginative" after all, right?

Indeed you are because even with "sons of oil", you still fail to understand its relationship with the Two Witnesses, two olive trees, two candlesticks. The Christians, the people of God's New Testament congregation, are also the sons of oil or the anointed ones.

 

[Phoneman777]

Indeed you are because even with "sons of oil", you still fail to understand its relationship with the Two Witnesses, two olive trees, two candlesticks. The Christians, the people of God's New Testament congregation, are also the sons of oil or the anointed ones.

We've got to allow the "holy man" Zechariah to tell us what all that means, otherwise we'll get bogged down in "private interpretation". "This is the WORD OF GOD" - not "people".