Satan Demons Angels and Spiritual Warfare

[Christian Soldier]

Good idea to back everything up with scripture, I agree.
Would you show me the scriptures I asked for?

Colossians 2:14-15​

14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.​

15 Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.​

Matt 12:28-29
28 But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, surely the kingdom of God has come upon you.
29 Or how can one enter a strong man’s house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house.

Both the above scriptures confirm the Jesus defeated the powers of darkness on our behalf, now that they are defeated they can not do anything to Gods elect other than make a nascence of themselves. Like barking dogs do

 

[St. SteVen]

That's rubbish, Jesus came to be pushed around and tortured and murdered.

That's why I challenged your false claim.

Christian Soldier said:
Nobody pushes Christ around.

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[St. SteVen]

Jesus is in full control of everything man does, nothing happens apart from His will, so it's all good.

On the other topic you wrote this:

So you're saying that God is to blame for child raping murderers.

Isn't that what you are saying?

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[St. SteVen]

Just as a righteous man cannot do anything wicked.

I pray that God will open your eyes today to who you really are. AMEN

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[St. SteVen]

But I'm not free to be an evil doer as that's not in my new nature.

Here you are on a Christian forum bad-mouthing God. (for shame)

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[MA2444]

Colossians 2:14-15​

14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.​

15 Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.​

Matt 12:28-29
28 But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, surely the kingdom of God has come upon you.
29 Or how can one enter a strong man’s house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house.

Both the above scriptures confirm the Jesus defeated the powers of darkness on our behalf, now that they are defeated they can not do anything to Gods elect other than make a nascence of themselves. Like barking dogs do

It doesnt come right out and say that. That is the conclusion that you drew from the passages.

Fair enough. But if I am to consider your conclusion as perhaps the truth, then what do I do with these verses?

Matthew 10:
7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.../KJV

The Lord just gave some men the instruction to go and cast out devils. But if man can not do this, then how am I to take this? Tear it out of my bible?

 

[Christian Soldier]

That's why I challenged your false claim.

Christian Soldier said:
Nobody pushes Christ around.

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Nobody pushes Him around, unless He preordains them by His choice. They don't even know why they do it, but Gods sovereignty over man is way beyond your ability to comprehend.

 

[Christian Soldier]

On the other topic you wrote this:

Isn't that what you are saying?

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Yes, God is in full control over mans affairs and He did predestine the whole of human history from the beginning to the end. And everything will go exactly as He preordained it to go.

So you can say He preordained all the wars and everything that happens, but He also said that He is not the author of sin. So this again tells us that His ways are past finding out and He never told us why He does what He does.

God is a mystery, we know He told Pharaoh to "Let My People Go", while at the same time God hardened the heart of Pharaoh so he couldn't let the people go. This sounds to us like God was not fair for dealing like that with Pharoah, but again Gods ways are infinitely higher than ours, and they are past finding out so we shouldn't even be meddling in His business.

God also created Lucifer and many others to do what they were created to do, so Satan and every other wicked Angel and man are all doing what they were created to do. Now you can accuse God of being a tyrant, but that's because you don't know Him of His ways.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Here you are on a Christian forum bad-mouthing God. (for shame)

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I was born a totally depraved sinner, my heart was wicked above all things. All I did was evil continuously, because that was my nature. But at some point God regenerated my and gave me a new heart and a new spirit, so now I don't live to sin as I did before God regenerated me and saved me.

Now my sins are not counted against me, Jesus has already paid for all of my past, present and future sins. That's not a license to sin as the "free choice movement" accuses us of claiming. It's just an acknowledgement of the fact that we will sin everyday for the rest of our lives, but we don't give ourselves to sin as unregenerate sinners do.

 

[Christian Soldier]

It doesnt come right out and say that. That is the conclusion that you drew from the passages.

Fair enough. But if I am to consider your conclusion as perhaps the truth, then what do I do with these verses?

Matthew 10:
7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.../KJV

The Lord just gave some men the instruction to go and cast out devils. But if man can not do this, then how am I to take this? Tear it out of my bible?

The Bible doesn't come right out and say many things, but we know what it's saying by connecting the dots. Like the Bible never used terms like "Holy Trinity" but we know that the Godhead exists as three separate persons, but they are One God.

It's not my conclusion, it's just bible doctrine. All the Church Fathers have agreed on the non negotiable bible doctrines for the past 2000 years. That shows that those who are led by the Holy Spirit all arrive at the same conclusions throughout the ages.

Matt 10:7 confirms that Christ defeated Satan and the powers of darkness on the cross. Saying that the kingdom of heaven is at hand is a declaration of victory over the kingdom of darkness.

Christ gave His Disciples the power to heal the sick, raise the dead and cast out devils, as there still many who were possessed and sick and dead. But when Christs work on the cross was finished, there was no longer any need to give anyone else these gifts as the powers of darkness had been defeated, so there was no more devil possession.

Those gifts were only given to the Disciples because they needed them, but after Christ defeated the Devil He restrained Him and now He can no longer deceive Gods Children, and He has to ask God for permission for everything He desires to do.

So don't worry about that passage of scripture, it doesn't apply to us in the same way as it did to the Disciples. It only applies to us in the sense that we have been given the gospel which is the power to stop devils from possessing a person in the first place.

If we share the gospel with someone and they put their trust in the Lord, then the Lord gives them His Holy Spirit so the person is possessed by the Holy Spirit and evil spirits can't come anywhere near the person because the Holy Spirit is their greatest terror. They tremble at the though of the Holy Spirit.

 

[face2face]

Everything I wrote is based on Bible doctrine, so your argument is not against me but God Himself.

No Christian, God already knows what Ezek 28 means, you are yet to catch up!

You reject everything He says and you twist the meaning to make it say something completely different. At least you have been consistent in that regard, but everything else you claim is baseless and incoherent

I quoted from 2 Cor 3:17 and your response to it was that Gods word is "garbage", your words. You must own them.

No Christian, your method of interpratation is garbage! No know less than nothing.

You have never revealed your truth, you just mock other who quote Bible verses. You have no argument so you resort to the lowest form of defense and attack the person quoting Gods Word, which you evidently hate.

This OP is going to be a disaster for you because you are speaking to things not present in the Word of God. Each time you try to force your imaginations on the Word, they will be tested, and you will find error in your thinking everything. You can do the same to Ezek 28; Isaiah 14; Job chapters 1-3 and you will see the OT teaches nothing of a fallen divine angel.

Absolutely nothing!

You will try, stumble, stimble some more and never learn or come to a knowledge of truth because you hold ignorance in heart heart.

F2F

 

[face2face]

Lets consider this little gem which is dragged out by those whose imaginations run away on them.

1 Peter 5:8: Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.

What is the context?

1 Peter 5:5 In the same way, you who are younger, be subject to the elders. And all of you, clothe yourselves with humility toward one another, because God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble 1 Pe 5:5.

What is the source of Pride?
What is the false accuser in 1 Peter 5:8?
What falsely accusers us before God?

I'll colour code the answer for you all

For those who live according to the flesh have their outlook shaped by the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit have their outlook shaped by the things of the Spirit. Rom 8:5.

SO....

What is a false accuser which is "like" a roaring Lion?

1 Peter 5:8: Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.

Human nature rampantly destroying all who manifest its lusts and pleasures!

@Christian Soldier - okay Christian - that's one verse down!

What's next?

F2F

Note: did you notice how the false accuser is called "your adversary?" - this will be important for future studies so tuck that point away!

 

[MA2444]

Christ gave His Disciples the power to heal the sick, raise the dead and cast out devils, as there still many who were possessed and sick and dead. But when Christs work on the cross was finished, there was no longer any need to give anyone else these gifts as the powers of darkness had been defeated, so there was no more devil possession.

So you dont believe in instances of demon possession in todays world?

The Bible doesn't come right out and say many things, but we know what it's saying by connecting the dots. Like the Bible never used terms like "Holy Trinity" but we know that the Godhead exists as three separate persons, but they are One God.

It's not my conclusion, it's just bible doctrine. All the Church Fathers have agreed on the non negotiable bible doctrines for the past 2000 years. That shows that those who are led by the Holy Spirit all arrive at the same conclusions throughout the ages.

Matt 10:7 confirms that Christ defeated Satan and the powers of darkness on the cross. Saying that the kingdom of heaven is at hand is a declaration of victory over the kingdom of darkness.

Christ gave His Disciples the power to heal the sick, raise the dead and cast out devils, as there still many who were possessed and sick and dead. But when Christs work on the cross was finished, there was no longer any need to give anyone else these gifts as the powers of darkness had been defeated, so there was no more devil possession.

Those gifts were only given to the Disciples because they needed them, but after Christ defeated the Devil He restrained Him and now He can no longer deceive Gods Children, and He has to ask God for permission for everything He desires to do.

So don't worry about that passage of scripture, it doesn't apply to us in the same way as it did to the Disciples. It only applies to us in the sense that we have been given the gospel which is the power to stop devils from possessing a person in the first place.

If we share the gospel with someone and they put their trust in the Lord, then the Lord gives them His Holy Spirit so the person is possessed by the Holy Spirit and evil spirits can't come anywhere near the person because the Holy Spirit is their greatest terror. They tremble at the though of the Holy Spirit.

Mark 16:17-18
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.../KJV

WHat do we do with this passage?

 

[doctrox]

A word to the wise: do not get sucked into the maelstrom that would purport to be a legitimate OP. The depravity and ignorance displayed by the antagonist are prima facie evidence of the spiritual reality that we're dealing with.

The enemy doesn't have to kill you outright; he can merely steal your walk by tying up your time here. Remember that life exists outside of internet forums. BTW, nearly half of all internet traffic comes from bots; this site would be no exception.

 

[Christian Soldier]

No Christian, God already knows what Ezek 28 means, you are yet to catch up!

No Christian, your method of interpratation is garbage! No know less than nothing.

This OP is going to be a disaster for you because you are speaking to things not present in the Word of God. Each time you try to force your imaginations on the Word, they will be tested, and you will find error in your thinking everything. You can do the same to Ezek 28; Isaiah 14; Job chapters 1-3 and you will see the OT teaches nothing of a fallen divine angel.

Absolutely nothing!

You will try, stumble, stimble some more and never learn or come to a knowledge of truth because you hold ignorance in heart heart.

F2F

Ezekiel 28 is full of symbolic language, you have obviously read it in the literal sense and failed to understand it according to it's intended context.
I don't have a method of interpretation, I just stand on the shoulders of the Church Fathers who gave us the correct interpretation for the past 2000 years.
You think your smarter then them, but you forgot that they were appointed by God Himself to teach us what God's Word says.

I see you have no regard for Gods men, He raised them to teach us dumb sheep. But there's nothing worse then a dumb sheep who turns his back on those who God sent to teach him. A dumb sheep who teaches himself becomes a dumber sheep.

I don't pluck verses out f their intended context, and misapply them as you have attempted to do with the verses you referred to. Why don't you mention all the other scriptures which confirm that Lucifer is an Angel, who became Satan after He sinned. He is a spirit and not some Prince of Tyrus, adorned in precious gems.
A spirit can't wear a crown or clothes, so you need t go back to the drawing board.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Lets consider this little gem which is dragged out by those whose imaginations run away on them.

1 Peter 5:8: Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.

What is the context?

1 Peter 5:5 In the same way, you who are younger, be subject to the elders. And all of you, clothe yourselves with humility toward one another, because God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble 1 Pe 5:5.

What is the source of Pride?
What is the false accuser in 1 Peter 5:8?
What falsely accusers us before God?

I'll colour code the answer for you all

For those who live according to the flesh have their outlook shaped by the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit have their outlook shaped by the things of the Spirit. Rom 8:5.

SO....

What is a false accuser which is "like" a roaring Lion?

1 Peter 5:8: Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.

Human nature rampantly destroying all who manifest its lusts and pleasures!

@Christian Soldier - okay Christian - that's one verse down!

What's next?

F2F

Note: did you notice how the false accuser is called "your adversary?" - this will be important for future studies so tuck that point away!

1 Peter 5:8 was a warning for Christians not to abuse alcohol or drugs. We already know that the Devil is bound, so He is utterly powerless to devour Christians. Because we never ever get drunk and we don't abuse any drug. So there's zero possibility, of being devoured.

Satan is a spirit so the only way He can only devour unbelievers, by deceiving them to believe a false gospel. That's the only thing that destroys a person, that's why it's so important to believe in the true gospel. The battle is for your mind and soul, as you know the lion is only symbolic.

I don't know why the "us" are in your list, so I can't comment on fictitious non existent "us" people. I think you're talking about the "Elect Saints of God"

 

[face2face]

Ezekiel 28 is full of symbolic language, you have obviously read it in the literal sense and failed to understand it according to it's intended context.

Correct - and you have be shown who that language relates to.

I don't have a method of interpretation, I just stand on the shoulders of the Church Fathers who gave us the correct interpretation for the past 2000 years.

Nonsense!

You think your smarter then them, but you forgot that they were appointed by God Himself to teach us what God's Word says.

I see you have no regard for Gods men, He raised them to teach us dumb sheep. But there's nothing worse then a dumb sheep who turns his back on those who God sent to teach him. A dumb sheep who teaches himself becomes a dumber sheep.

Stop behaving as a dumb sheep and read the text in context! Don't add your foolish imaginations to the Word. if you don't understand just say so!

I don't pluck verses out f their intended context, and misapply them as you have attempted to do with the verses you referred to. Why don't you mention all the other scriptures which confirm that Lucifer is an Angel, who became Satan after He sinned. He is a spirit and not some Prince of Tyrus, adorned in precious gems.
A spirit can't wear a crown or clothes, so you need t go back to the drawing board.

You have shown not one understanding from Ezek 28 - its clear you don't even know what its about.

F2F

 

[doctrox]

We expose unfruitful works of darkness by shining the light of God's truth into a dark world.

My Bible only has four tribes, so I have to assume you have been lied to by your hireling pastor.

Not sure what copyrighted "version" of the Holy Bible you're reading, but dozens of tribes of giants are found in the Holy Bible:

Amalekites, Amorites, Anakim, Ashdodites, Ashkelonites (Eshkalonites), Avvim, Avites, Canaanites, Caphtorim, Ekronites, Emim (Emins),
Gazites (Gazathites), Geshurites , Gibalites (Giblites), Gibeonites, Girgashites, Gittites, Hittites, Hivites, Horites (Horims), Jebusites, Kadmonites, Kenites, Kenizzites, Maacathites, Manassites, Nephilim, Perizzites, Philistines, Rephaim, Sidonians, Zamzummim, and the Zuzim.

• Amalekites are mentioned 25 times
• Amorites are mentioned 87 times
• Anakim are mentioned 9 times
• Ashdodites are mentioned 4 times
• Ashkelonites (Eshkalonites) are mentioned 1 time
• Avvim are mentioned 3 times
• Canaanites are mentioned 21 times but not all Canaanites peoples were giants.
• Caphtorim are mentioned 2 times
• Ekronites are mentioned 2 times
• Emim (aka Emins) are mentioned 3 times
• Gazites (Gazathites) are mentioned 2 times
• Geshurites are mentioned 6 times
• Gibeonites are mentioned 8 times
• Gibalites (Giblites) are mentioned 2 times
• Girgashites are mentioned 7 times
• Gittites are mentioned 10 times
• Hittites are mentioned 48 times
• Hivites are mentioned 25 times
• Horites (Horims) are mentioned 7 times
• Jebusites are mentioned 41 times
• Kadmonites are mentioned 1 time
• Kenites are mentioned 11 times
• Kenizzites are mentioned 4 times
• Maacathites are mentioned 8 times
• Manassites are mentioned 4 times
• Nephilim are mentioned 2 times
• Perizzites are mentioned 23 times
• Philistines are mentioned 290 times but many Philistines were not giants.
• Rephaim are mentioned 18 times
• Sidonians are mentioned 16 times
• Zamzummim are mentioned 1 time
• Zuzim are mentioned 1 time

That is a total of 688 mentions of tribes, people groups, or nations of (or containing) giants.

There are 19 giants that are named specifically in the Holy Bible:

• Adoni-zedek (aka Adonizedek, Adonizedec), King of Jerusalem, is mentioned 2 times
• Agag, King of the Amalakites, is mentioned 8 times
• Ahiman (anakim) is mentioned 4 times
• Amalek is mentioned 24 times
• Arba is mentioned 3 times
• Gog is mentioned 11 times
• Magog is mentioned 5 times
• Goliath is mentioned 6 times
• Hoham, King of Hebron, is mentioned 1 time
• Horam, King of Gezer, is mentioned 1 time
• Jabin, King of Hazor, is mentioned 7 times
• Jobab, King of Madon, is mentioned 9 times
• Lahmi is mentioned 1 time
• Nimrod is mentioned 4 times
• Og of Bashan is mentioned 22 times
• Sheshai (anakim) is mentioned 3 times
• Sihon, King of the Amorites, is mentioned 39 times
• Sippai is mentioned 1 time
• Talmai (anakim) is mentioned 6 times

That is a total of 157 mentions of specific giants.

688 + 157 = 845 total references to individual giants, tribes, and people groups that included or were associated with giants in the Holy Bible.

 

[face2face]

1 Peter 5:8 was a warning for Christians not to abuse alcohol or drugs. We already know that the Devil is bound, so He is utterly powerless to devour Christians. Because we never ever get drunk and we don't abuse any drug. So there's zero possibility, of being devoured.

Wow, you are lost man! really lost if you believe in this stuff.

Satan is a spirit so the only way He can only devour unbelievers, by deceiving them to believe a false gospel. That's the only thing that destroys a person, that's why it's so important to believe in the true gospel. The battle is for your mind and soul, as you know the lion is only symbolic.

I don't know why the "us" are in your list, so I can't comment on fictitious non existent "us" people. I think you're talking about the "Elect Saints of God"

How many people have you seen get devoured by this lion?

Christian is walking along the street and all of a sudden an evil lion like creature snatches the person in front of you and you say, wow man that cant happen to me because I have faith lol

Not a single clue in that brain of yours has thought this through.

F2F

 

[face2face]

Ezekiel 28 is full of symbolic language, you have obviously read it in the literal sense and failed to understand it according to it's intended context.

This statement is the type of ignorance which plagues Christians today.

28:11 The word of the Lord came to me: 28:12 “Son of man, sing a lament for the king of Tyre, and say to him, ‘This is what the sovereign Lord says: Eze 28:11–12.

The discerning Bible Student will ask the question - How does this Lament relate to the King of Tyre?

While the infected christian will say in his heart "lets ignore the intended recipient of these amazing deep symbolic words and lets create our own story!"

The Bible is not a choose your own adventure @Christian Soldier - that's NOT how the inspired Word works!

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