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Lizbeth

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You are confusing an emotional state that motivates justice with seeking revenge.

Christ was as mad as hell and did not take it any more when he whipped people at the market and turned over tables. I think he worked the righteousness of God.
Within the Temple.......within the "church" and His own people......rebuking and disciplining His own. That is not how He (and we) are to deal with the world. You have not been rightly taught....no surprise these days.

The RCC had this thing called "crusades", they sent knights and soldiers to the middle east to make forced conversions and kill those who opposed it. Funny, Islam does the same thing. That is NOT the mandate Jesus gave to His Body or the example He set.
 
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You apparently have no idea what I'm hoping for either.....I'm not hoping for evil. But the bible says our hopes and affections are to be ABOVE in any case.....true?
No
We have life here.
We want good things for our families.
We INTERCEDE for our great nation and leaders.
That is God's will

I can do all that AND put ALL my hope and affection in Jesus.
It is not Either <> Or.
 
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No
We have life here.
We want good things for our families.
We INTERCEDE for our great nation and leaders.
That is God's will

I can do all that AND put ALL my hope and affection in Jesus.
It is not Either <> Or.
By all means pray and intercede for government leaders and do what good you can. But I don't see how we can have ALL our hopes and affections on two places at once. Jesus said we can't serve two masters.
 

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Within the Temple.......within the "church" and His own people......rebuking and disciplining His own. That is not how He (and we) are to deal with the world. You have not been rightly taught....no surprise these days.

The RCC had this thing called "crusades", they sent knights and soldiers to the middle east to make forced conversions and kill those who opposed it. Funny, Islam does the same thing. That is NOT the mandate Jesus gave to His Body or the example He set.
Fighting Muslims.
Devils
 
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Within the Temple.......within the "church" and His own people......rebuking and disciplining His own.
Your commitment to injustice is disgusting, a sign of the unmanly, soul-less, feminized church in understandable decline. You've learned nothing from Christ in feeding the poor, giving water to the thirsty, clothing the naked or the lesson of the Good Samaritan. All are image bearers of God, not just the believers. Indeed, the Great Commission is precisely a work of outreach outside the church.

 
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The church needs to get it's own house in order before trying to correct the world. Seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness.
I haven’t been following this thread. But your response stood out. Agree. I feel like it’s on so many topics…this “trying to correct the world” and neglecting that which is within. If the church is looking at those things without to justify what is within, by being able to say “I’m holier than you”… at least “thank God” we are not those without which do horrible things…like same sex marriage, abortion of children , confusion of gender roles, murder, deception, manipulation…by condemning those things without isn’t that saying and admitting …acknowledging God hates those things which means we see that and judge it as wrong. But within the church is it is still using the knowledge of Christ to destroy a weaker brother for whom Christ died, is this not murder? To prevent and hinder the children of God from coming to Him and to destroy them before they reach maturity, to destroy babes in Christ, isn’t this aborting God’s children before they grow and form (until Christ be formed in you) in the womb? To confuse gender as who is the man of Christ and who is the woman he as the husband gave himself for her, isn’t this confusion over gender? Same sex marriages, is found in two women or two men joining together in banding together against the things of God? My husband was talking the other day about the opening of the Olympics and the drag queens posing for the Lords super. As much as it’s condemned by the church, is it a mirror to provoke “women posing as men” within the church? Consider the magnitude of the church condemning drag queens posing, men posing as women ….and yet within men pose as women …needing to go on to become “the man”. Makes me think of it’s better to be on the rooftop in a corner than in the house of a brawling woman. Paul spoke of when he became a man he put away childish things. Maybe all that sounds crazy but it seems our own words will condemn us if we don’t as you say…see that going on in the world and pay attention in …our mouths acknowledging it’s wrong let’s say to murder…but then we continue to use our knowledge given in Christ to wound, kill, steal from the weak as if murdering the weak will go unpunished.

It seems impossible to change. Because the first thing those condemning those things without would have to do, is acknowledge they do the same things they condemn. Yes, that seems impossible for they would be embarrassed, brought low and humbled at the thought. But what I read is then Christ will lift them up. All the talk though…it’s easier to masquerade and deceive yourself by harping on that which is without so it never touches or penetrates that the first thing that needs examination is…do you do those things which you condemn? It might cost loss of a facade being worn, it might be exposing to come into the light…but isn’t this what the Word says to trust in? But men hate the Light… oh that is another. Condemning those without as “haters of Christ” as “haters of Light” as those who hate the light and won’t come to the light. but …are we then also condemning ourselves by being deceived our actions are not the same “hatred of stepping into the Light”?
 
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The RCC had this thing called "crusades", they sent knights and soldiers to the middle east to make forced conversions and kill those who opposed it.
Thank God for the Crusades for that is not all they did! They stopped the Conquest of Christianity!

If not for the Crusades, we’d be Muslim today.
 
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Your commitment to injustice is disgusting, a sign of the unmanly, soul-less, feminized church in understandable decline. You've learned nothing from Christ in feeding the poor, giving water to the thirsty, clothing the naked or the lesson of the Good Samaritan. All are image bearers of God, not just the believers. Indeed, the Great Commission is precisely a work of outreach outside the church.

God gave the job of "justice" to government, not to the church. We as the church are not to take whips or other weapons and go hurt people with them. Paul wrote under inspiration of the Holy Spirit that our weapons are not carnal but mighty in GOD (ie, in His Spirit). Jesus was chastising and rebuking His own when He went into the temple and drove the merchandisers out with a whip. I doubt He stood there whipping any individual to shreds but used the whip as a means to threaten and drive them out before Him.

Yes of course we are to reach out to unbelievers.....not with justice but with mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgment....through the gospel. Leave justice to God and governments. I'm not even opposed to governments meting out capital punishments in certain cases.......but I would never mete that out myself or advocate for the church to do that! To avenge is mine sayeth the Lord....He is Judge of this world, we are not.
 
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Thank God for the Crusades for that is not all they did! They stopped the Conquest of Christianity!

If not for the Crusades, we’d be Muslim today.
That is God's business, raising and lowering or judging kings and kingdoms etc. And He will use one kingdom to judge or conquer another. Not our business as believers. We are to go into "war zones" armed with the healing balm of Christ. Are you Catholic by any chance?
 

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You have a quote for that?

It's in

Matthew 5:13-16
13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.

14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.

16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.../KJV
 

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Except if anyone does admit to not liking Trump for whatever reason, he is accused of being a leftist stooge, a communist, anti Christian, and a liberal woke gay sympathizer.
Have you ever looked into the background of the proposed VP and considered the company he keeps and is associated with? Did you know Trump and Fauci and Bill Clinton and numerous others on both sides of the house all have a Jesuit education, and therefore share the same philosophy regarding politics and the future of the country? The current collapse of the Democrats is too weird to be real. You think the leadership of the Democratic party is really that stupid? It is a controlled demolition to compel voters to go right. But not everything you see there is what it seems either.
In my view people of course are free not to like Trump.

What they're not free to do is outright lie about those who do like Trump.
They naturally expect free exercise of opinion yet imagine they have the free right to slander Christians who are Trump supporters.

When they receive rebuttals to their outright lies and slander , they play the victim.And then,as they intended, pile on more insults against those Christian Conservatives who correct their malicious evil and slander against them.

They claim Trump is this and that and a baaad man who doesn't know Christ! Then they prove they are that.
 

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That is God's business, raising and lowering or judging kings and kingdoms etc.
And it is ours as Apostles to God's Kingdom. Unlike Christ, who was a subject, we are citizens with duties and obligations to guide the government.

And He will use one kingdom to judge or conquer another. Not our business as believers.

Again, outsourcing justice to secular atheists is NOT the Christian calling. Of course it is our business! God is a warrior who loves justice and we are made in his image with KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL.

You don't respect the ground you stand on:
  1. Crusades, 1095
  2. Reconquest of Iberation Peninsula, 1492
  3. Establishment of Colony of Virginia, 1584
  4. Battle of Vienna, 1683
  5. Founding of America, 1776
  6. 1st Amendment Ratification, 1787
  7. Barbary War, 1801
  8. Second Barbary War, 1815
  9. The Great War
  10. World War II
  11. 9/11
  12. Oct 7
We enjoy our Christian faith because our brothers in the past acted for justice. That you deny justice is a pathway unbelievers can come to Christ is willful ignorance! Where in the world are women treated better and their rights more acknowledged than in Christian nations?
 
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