Jesus talked about hell more than anything else in the Bible. - Seriously?

[Jack]

Individual people are just as liable to personal apostacy as a governing body, if not more so with no one holding that person accountable. One thing the Bible says not to do is to separate from the body of Christ. It's one thing to reject all sects you know as false, it's another to be completely anti-sect, one sect must be the body of Christ. There can only be one that is true, and it can't be a sect of just one person.

So, JW's following the Governing Body to Hell is JW's choice?

 

[St. SteVen]

Brook Potter obviously knows nothing about the Bible, so why would you begin with a nonsensical quote from a clueless person.

Nobody had ever said that Jesus taught more about hell than anything else, that's a straight out lie. Jesus did speak about hell more than He spoke about heaven, but to say that He spoke about hell more than anything else is a big lie.

That fact that you used a clueless persons quote shows you don't know the truth of thew matter either. So all the following questions are invalid because the topic is based on a false premise to begin with.

Did Jesus die to save us from God?

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[Taken]

Jesus talked about hell more than any other person in the Bible. - Seriously?

Doubt that.

NT - Heaven is specifically mentioned just shy of 300 times.

NT - Hell is specifically mentioned 23 times.

No consideration of the Speaker or the multiple transliterations of the Bible.

Gods teaching to manKIND from the Beginning…
Teach the Truth…
Warn of negative consequences for not knowing or dismissing the Truth.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Pyreaux]

So, JW's following the Governing Body to Hell is JW's choice?

Oh, you meant "The Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses", I misunderstood.

I think individuals, not groups, go to hell. I think people will be in hell for their own sins, but sins are relative, those with the greater light receive the greater condemnation.

God is a God of sinners, from Samaritans to Roman Centurions he had a lot of mercy, and mostly condemned those with correct beliefs who condemned others. You aren't the ultimate Judge of others. If everyone who errors while reading the scripture are going to hell, most every Independant non-denominational Christain is in big trouble, since they can't universally agree on the Bible. In fact, a unhumble and judgy Christian might not be rewarded at all, while a humble JW maybe farther along the path to a reward than you just because you judged him.

"Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other." (Luke 18)

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Warn of negative consequences for not knowing or dismissing the Truth.

Rejecting truth = going to hell

 

[Wick Stick]

I think individuals, not groups, go to hell. I think people will be in hell for their own sins, but sins are relative, those with the greater light receive the greater condemnation.

That's a modern way of looking at it.

As nearly as I can tell, the Bible says there's exactly 1 group of people who will be saved - Abraham's children. But it doesn't reckon group membership based on physical descent. It reckons Abraham's children to be those-who-believe-like-Abraham. Believers are adopted. Disbelievers can be... pruned... even if their genealogy would make them part of the group.

That way of looking at it blurs the distinction between group and individuals, IMO.

 

[Wrangler]

Oh, you meant "The Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses", I misunderstood.

Don't mind Jack. He's a wild child. Bless his heart.

 

[Jack]

Oh, you meant "The Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses", I misunderstood.

I think individuals, not groups, go to hell. I think people will be in hell for their own sins, but sins are relative, those with the greater light receive the greater condemnation.

God is a God of sinners, from Samaritans to Roman Centurions he had a lot of mercy, and mostly condemned those with correct beliefs who condemned others. You aren't the ultimate Judge of others. If everyone who errors while reading the scripture are going to hell, most every Independant non-denominational Christain is in big trouble, since they can't universally agree on the Bible. In fact, a unhumble and judgy Christian might not be rewarded at all, while a humble JW maybe farther along the path to a reward than you just because you judged him.

"Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other." (Luke 18)

Satan sends MANY messengers to lead people to Hell fire. Many call themselves "Christian".

 

[Christian Soldier]

Did Jesus die to save us from God?

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What a silly nonsensical question, I wouldn't expect that from a five year old. Man you have a lot to learn, my advice for you is to join a Bible study group, for beginners. You don't even have the basics right, let alone the deep doctrines.

 

[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:
Did Jesus die to save us from God?

What a silly nonsensical question...

Really? What did Jesus die to save us from?

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[Wrangler]

St. SteVen said:
Did Jesus die to save us from God?

Really? What did Jesus die to save us from?

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@St. SteVen,

You really are spiraling down. Your many threads reveal a stream of consciousness that is increasingly disturbing; one who grows further from the way - and at peace with your maker - as you struggle with these thoughts. I'll continue to pray for you.

We live in a world of karma, what goes around comes around, of justice. Do not blame the agents of justice for the consequences of our bad choices.

Jesus saves us from karma, from the bad consequences of our own choices. Jesus saves us from a WHAT not a WHO. If you must think in terms of "who" Jesus saves us from, he saves us from ourselves.

I hope this helps.

 

[St. SteVen]

Jesus saves us from karma

Wow.
That's quite a statement.

Doesn't Karma mean that natural consequences follow our actions? (sounds biblical)

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[Wrangler]

Doesn't Karma mean that natural consequences follow our actions? (sounds biblical)

Yea. Karma is a word from the far east, from the Hindu's, I believe.

However, we should not think only in terms of nature but include human nature in the reach of Karma. The Bible says a soft word turns away wrath. So no one should think they are free to act in a non-loving way toward others and escape karma, the natural consequences of our actions.

Dr. Phil says we get to choose but we don't get to choose the consequences of our choice. He's right!

 

[St. SteVen]

You really are spiraling down. Your many threads reveal a stream of consciousness that is increasingly disturbing; one who grows further from the way - and at peace with your maker - as you struggle with these thoughts.

Our friend O'Darby described it as a "noble task". Actually finding peace with my maker by unshackling myself from my religious past. I'm asking questions that the church doesn't allow UNLESS you want to be "fixed". Which assumes that the questions indicate that you are broken if you ask them. Do you agree with that? (sorry if you feel that you are debating with a madman) - LOL

I'll continue to pray for you.

Thanks. But I'm not sure if it is necessary.

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[Wrangler]

Which assumes that the questions indicate that you are broken if you ask them. Do you agree with that?

Well, it’s not inherent in the questions but the totality of your many threads that indicate you are deeply struggling in the faith.

If a newbie asked such questions, I’d practically expect it. You are deep in the walk and seem to truly not know the love and goodness of God.

sorry if you feel that you are debating with a madman

It’s not a debate. More like eavesdropping on you thinking out loud. LOL

 

[St. SteVen]

Well, it’s not inherent in the questions but the totality of your many threads that indicate you are deeply struggling in the faith.

The faith?
By who's definition? What is "the faith"? (another pesky question)
I am moving away from a man-made religious definition of faith toward a more relational definition of faith.
Living by my convictions instead of a religious construct. Away from the church as a doctrinal house of cards.

If a newbie asked such questions, I’d practically expect it. You are deep in the walk and seem to truly not know the love and goodness of God.

Personally, I think my conclusions reveal a GREATER knowledge of the love and goodness of God.

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[Christian Soldier]

St. SteVen said:
Did Jesus die to save us from God?

Really? What did Jesus die to save us from?

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Wow man, you really need to go back and relearn everything from scratch. I strongly recommend you join a beginners bible class.

To suggest that Gods children are saved from God is pure blasphemy, and it's a lie from the father of lies. As a saved child of God, I was saved to God and not from God, as Demonic Doctrine teaches.
Demonic Doctrine always teaches the opposite of truth.

Everything you have claimed so far is the opposite to the truth, I would urge you to abandon everything you have been taught and start afresh.

 

[St. SteVen]

Everything you have claimed so far is the opposite to the truth

That saw cuts both ways.

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[Jack]

St. SteVen said:
Did Jesus die to save us from God?

Really? What did Jesus die to save us from?

Hebrews 10:31
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

I.E Hell Fire 'forever and ever'!

 

[Christian Soldier]

That saw cuts both ways.

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Please show me my errors, I will respect your for it. A wise man loves to be corrected, but a fool hates you for it.