This will be a sign for you:

[Ronald Nolette]

Who is the nation of Israel to whom God makes a promise in Jeremiah 31? Jesus gives us a very clear indication in the parable of the landowner:
Matthew 21:43 Therefore I say unto you, the kingdom of God shall be taken from you and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

Yes right now the church is the focus of Gd as was prophesied in the OT& where god also prophesied that He would temporarily set aside Israel for the ingathering of the gentiles, then fulfill all the promises He made to the twelve tribes known as Jews and Israel.

Holy nation is the name given to Israel in Exodus 19:5-6. Peter now applies it to the church! The church is the holy nation, and since the church will never be destroyed, it is in her and not in the modern Jewish State of Israel, that the new Covenant of Jeremiah 31:31-34 is to be fulfilled. Titus 2:14 is also instructive: to the churches in Crete Paul attributes the title "peculiar people," a name taken from Exodus 19:5.

True, but that does not make the church a new Israel! That comes from a taught anti-Semitic/replacement theology you have bought into.

One more thing must be noticed in Jeremiah 31:31-34 The promise of the new Covenant is made to the house of Judah and the house of Israel. In this covenant with the house of Israel God will: put His law in their inward parts and write it in their hearts and will be their God and they shall be His people ... Moreover, God promises to the same house of Israel: I will forgive their iniquity and I will remember their sin no more. How is this new covenant promise fulfilled, and to whom? The answer is found in Hebrews 8:6-13. This Covenant cannot be with the House of Israel as a separate entity from the Christian Church. The church of Christ, which enjoys the knowledge of God and forgiveness of sins, is the house of Israel.

You did well until the last five words which you and not God inserted. YOu ignore the dozens of prophesies to the nation of ethnic Israel or retranslate them to mean the church by your replacement theology.

NO be;liever without buying into your replacement theology would conclude that the New Covenant God made to the houses of Judah and Israel (the reunited Israel of Ez. 37) actually means the church. Especially in light of all the prophesies directly told to the nation of Israel alone.

God has sealed the new covenant with Israel, but it is not fulfilled yet. Jesus blood bought the covenant and insured it would take plaace, but it remains to be fulfilled. And not even you can say it is the church, for not all the church knows the Lord yet- for there are many more believers who have yet to accept Christ, so they do not know th eLord Yet! This is the kind of error when people take verses out of their context because they have laid hold of bad teaching.

Are there, then, no promises to the political entity of the Jewish State of Israel? The answer is an unequivocal NO. Excepting for the ones about their Judgment.

Will Israel as a political entity ever rebuild her temple and worship God as she did in the Old Testament? That is impossible under today’s conditions, but even if they did build a temple in Jerusalem and institute a priesthood, offer sacrifices and celebrate the feasts, it will be just another sign of Jewish apostasy from God. If the sacrifices of the wicked were abominable to God in the Old Testament, Proverbs 15:8, 21:27, how much more abominable would the recommencing of animal sacrifices by apostate Jewish Israel be in the future?

This is part of your error. God never considers Israel a political entity, but His covenanted people whom He has only temprarily set aisde but is now bringing them back to the land He gave that ethnos people as an eternal inheritance. I guess you believe eternal doesn't mean eternal.

But He is preparing His covenanted people to receive HIm:

Ez. 20:33-38

Zechariah 13:8-9
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8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.

Romans 11:25-29
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According to the terrible teaching you are now repeating, Israel is the church.

So according to you blindness in part has happened to the church! WOW so wqho are the gentiles

IN case you don't know, verse 27 refers to teh new covenant of Jeremiah 31.

Let us look at that covenant again:

Jeremiah 31:31-37
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Our fathers never were led out of Egypt.
Our fathers were not given the old covenant.

Notice God HImself said Israel will be a nation before HIm forever! and the covenant to Israel will be fulfilled! But "those days" have not happened yet.

And as for the temple being rebuilt and offerings resumed? Will god accept them befoer Jesus returns? No! But God is reporting the temple will be rebuilt.

but how about during the millenium?

Will there be animal sacrifices during the millennial kingdom? | GotQuestions.org

Will there be animal sacrifices during the millennial kingdom? If Christ’s sacrifice was perfect and sufficient, why would animals need to be sacrificed during the millennium?

www.gotquestions.org

From "let us reason":


Why will there be animal sacrifices and Feast days and the Sabbath reinstituted in the Millennium period?

Zech. 14 tells us we will celebrate the feasts days along with the sacrifices, these will both be reinstituted in the millennium (Ez.44:1-46- 46:24)

Zech 14:16-18 “And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, on them there will be no rain. If the family of Egypt will not come up and enter in, they shall have no rain; they shall receive the plague with which the LORD strikes the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.”

v.21 “Yes, every pot in Jerusalem and Judah shall be holiness to the LORD of hosts. Everyone who sacrifices shall come and take them and cook in them. In that day there shall no longer be a Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.”

Isaiah also says, Isaiah 56:7 “Even them I will bring to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My house of prayer. Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices will be accepted on My altar; for My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations."

Isa 66:23 "And it shall come to pass that from one New Moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, all flesh shall come to worship before Me," says the LORD. Isa. 66:23 teaches that we will keep the Sabbath, it also teaches we will keep the New Moon festival! This is on earth in the Millennium period- not in heaven."

If the Sabbath and feast days and the sacrifices are done away with in Christ how do we reconcile these two seemingly contradictory positions? How can there be a return to the sacrificial system without taking away from the meritorious sacrifice of Christ?

Millennial Israel will have at its center the Temple. Sacrifices (Ezek. 40:38-39), will continually be done during the Kingdom Age (Ezekiel 45:13 – 46:15).The millennial offerings are distinctly Jewish nature, of Jewish history and will be administered by Jews, their commemorative purpose will be embraced by Gentiles who will join in celebration of the millennial King who will be on earth. This is made clear in Zechariah 8 v.23, 'In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him who is a Jew, saying, We will go with you for we have heard that God is with you'.

It will some similarities to Mosaic system and some new features. So it should not be mistaken for a reinstitution of Mosaic law system, since Moses sacrificial system did not take away sin but Jesus' last sacrifice did.

The problem is easily solved if we view them as being COMMEMORATIVE rather than EFFICACIOUS.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Will Israel as a political entity ever rebuild her temple and worship God as she did in the Old Testament? That is impossible under today’s conditions, but even if they did build a temple in Jerusalem and institute a priesthood, offer sacrifices and celebrate the feasts, it will be just another sign of Jewish apostasy from God. If the sacrifices of the wicked were abominable to God in the Old Testament, Proverbs 15:8, 21:27, how much more abominable would the recommencing of animal sacrifices by apostate Jewish Israel be in the future?

Let me post the full text of the verses I had to omit due to length reasons:

Romans 11:25-29
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25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

Zechariah 13:8-9
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8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.

Ezekiel 20:33-38
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33 As I live, saith the Lord God, surely with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out, will I rule over you:
34 And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out.
35 And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face.
36 Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith the Lord God.
37 And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant:
38 And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I am the Lord.

Jeremiah 31:31-37
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31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
35 Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Lord of hosts is his name:
36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
37 Thus saith the Lord; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the Lord.​
Why the church can't be Israel?

1. The Old covenant was made with a people that are Jews, not gentiles.
2. Gentiles did not break the Old covenant
3. God did not lead the gentiles out of the land of Egypt
4. God was never a husband to the gentiles

As Paul said concerning the gentiles in the old covenant days:

Ephesians 2:11-12
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11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

Gentiles were without hope and god in the world!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Yes right now the church is the focus of Gd as was prophesied in the OT& where god also prophesied that He would temporarily set aside Israel for the ingathering of the gentiles, then fulfill all the promises He made to the twelve tribes known as Jews and Israel.

True, but that does not make the church a new Israel! That comes from a taught anti-Semitic/replacement theology you have bought into.

This is utter nonsense at best and slander at worst. How is it anti-Semitic for people like us to believe that Jew and Gentile believers have been joined together as one in the body of Christ with no difference between us and can have fellowship together as the children of God and of Abraham (Galatians 3:26-29) as fellow citizens of the Israel of God?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

If the Sabbath and feast days and the sacrifices are done away with in Christ how do we reconcile these two seemingly contradictory positions? How can there be a return to the sacrificial system without taking away from the meritorious sacrifice of Christ?

Millennial Israel will have at its center the Temple. Sacrifices (Ezek. 40:38-39), will continually be done during the Kingdom Age (Ezekiel 45:13 – 46:15).The millennial offerings are distinctly Jewish nature, of Jewish history and will be administered by Jews, their commemorative purpose will be embraced by Gentiles who will join in celebration of the millennial King who will be on earth. This is made clear in Zechariah 8 v.23, 'In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him who is a Jew, saying, We will go with you for we have heard that God is with you'.

It will some similarities to Mosaic system and some new features. So it should not be mistaken for a reinstitution of Mosaic law system, since Moses sacrificial system did not take away sin but Jesus' last sacrifice did.

The problem is easily solved if we view them as being COMMEMORATIVE rather than EFFICACIOUS.

Yet, that is not how they are described. Why are you blatantly changing scripture to fit your doctrine?

Ezekiel 45:15 Also one sheep is to be taken from every flock of two hundred from the well-watered pastures of Israel. These will be used for the grain offerings, burnt offerings and fellowship offerings to make atonement for the people, declares the Sovereign Lord. 16 All the people of the land will be required to give this special offering to the prince in Israel. 17 It will be the duty of the prince to provide the burnt offerings, grain offerings and drink offerings at the festivals, the New Moons and the Sabbaths—at all the appointed festivals of Israel. He will provide the sin offerings, grain offerings, burnt offerings and fellowship offerings to make atonement for the Israelites.

The text is very clear. It's talking about "sin offerings" being made "to make atonement for the Israelites". NOTHING about them being supposedly done commemoratively. It's shameful for you to blatantly change scripture to fit your doctrine, yet I see people here doing that all the time. It's unbelievable.

 

[Jack]

Israel is Home to stay, in the Land of the Bible, no matter how many wannabees try to steal their identity and their Land!

Amos 9:14-15
14 I will bring back the captives of My people Israel; They shall build the waste cities and inhabit them; They shall plant vineyards and drink wine from them; They shall also make gardens and eat fruit from them.
15 I will plant them in their land, And no longer shall they be pulled up From the land I have given them," Says the LORD your God.

Amen Jesus!

 

[Keraz]

Yet, that is not how they are described. Why are you blatantly changing scripture to fit your doctrine?

Ezekiel 45:15 Also one sheep is to be taken from every flock of two hundred from the well-watered pastures of Israel. These will be used for the grain offerings, burnt offerings and fellowship offerings to make atonement for the people, declares the Sovereign Lord. 16 All the people of the land will be required to give this special offering to the prince in Israel. 17 It will be the duty of the prince to provide the burnt offerings, grain offerings and drink offerings at the festivals, the New Moons and the Sabbaths—at all the appointed festivals of Israel. He will provide the sin offerings, grain offerings, burnt offerings and fellowship offerings to make atonement for the Israelites.

The text is very clear. It's talking about "sin offerings" being made "to make atonement for the Israelites". NOTHING about them being supposedly done commemoratively. It's shameful for you to blatantly change scripture to fit your doctrine, yet I see people here doing that all the time. It's unbelievable.

How or for what reason the Offerings and sacrifices are made, the fact is: in the future; they will again be made. Isaiah 56:1-8, Ezekiel 20:40-41

 

[Keraz]

Israel is Home to stay, in the Land of the Bible, no matter how many wannabees try to steal their identity and their Land!

Amos 9:14-15
14 I will bring back the captives of My people Israel; They shall build the waste cities and inhabit them; They shall plant vineyards and drink wine from them; They shall also make gardens and eat fruit from them.
15 I will plant them in their land, And no longer shall they be pulled up From the land I have given them," Says the LORD your God.

Amen Jesus!

This Prophecy is for the Israelite peoples of God, the Overcomers for Him. It does not refer to those who falsely call themselves Israel. The Jews represent Judah only and the Lord will uproot them for their sins and their continued rejection of Jesus. Jeremiah 12:14

 

[Jack]

This Prophecy is for the Israelite peoples of God, the Overcomers for Him. It does not refer to those who falsely call themselves Israel. The Jews represent Judah only and the Lord will uproot them for their sins and their continued rejection of Jesus. Jeremiah 12:14

Israel in the Land of the Bible is in International news nearly every day. Nobody seems to know about the wannabees, except when they TOOT their own horns.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

How or for what reason the Offerings and sacrifices are made, the fact is: in the future; they will again be made. Isaiah 56:1-8, Ezekiel 20:40-41

No, they will not. That would completely contradict Hebrews 8-10, which I sense you have never read, or at least never have had any understanding of it. If you did, you would not allow for the possibility of animal sacrifices and offerings being made for atonement ever again because Jesus already made His "once for all" sacrifice for atonement.

 

[covenantee]

Quoting covenantee:

"Of course not. He hated unbelieving Israel who hated Him.
So do I."

You hate me, because I do not adore antichrist as you do.

 

[Jack]

You hate me, because I do not adore antichrist as you do.

I love you. I love everyone. You're filled with HATE as you confessed. See the difference?

 

[covenantee]

I love you. I love everyone. You're filled with HATE as you confessed. See the difference?

You hate anyone who does not adore antichrist as you do.

 

[Jack]

You hate anyone who does not adore antichrist as you do.

Another LIE! Do you know what will happen to liars? Why do you keep lying about me? That's what Satan's children do.

 

[covenantee]

No such thing!

Just like there's no such thing as the Trinity.

 

[Jack]

Just like there's no such thing as the Trinity.

Trinity is a banned topic here.

 

[covenantee]

Another LIE! Do you know what will happen to liars? Why do you keep lying about me? That's what Satan's children do.

Here's another question you haven't yet answered:

Do you believe that all Jews can sin all they want, and they'll still all be saved?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

No such thing!

You need to read the New Testament, Jack. You come across as if your religion is Judaism.

Galatians 6:15 Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything; what counts is the new creation. 16 Peace and mercy to all who follow this rule—to the Israel of God.

 

[Jack]

Here's another question you haven't yet answered:

Do you believe that all Jews can sin all they want, and they'll still all be saved?

No.

 

[covenantee]

Trinity is a banned topic here.

It's only a topic when placed in a separate topical thread.

So you deny the Trinity?

 

[Jack]

You need to read the New Testament, Jack. You come across as if your religion is Judaism.

Galatians 6:15 Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything; what counts is the new creation. 16 Peace and mercy to all who follow this rule—to the Israel of God.

I have. And I can't find "Spiritual Israelite" anywhere.