Because it would mean God coerced them into sinning. Remember, God does not tempt anyone, nor can he be tempted.
He gave them a command.
They disobeyed the command.
It's really quite simple.
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He gave them a command.
They disobeyed the command.
It's really quite simple.
Not if they weren't "reborn into him" according to you.
Or if God had chosen them for destruction, knowing that they would prefer incineration to paradise. Right?
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Right, he gets serpents to do his dirty work and them removes their legs.
Wrong. He gave Adam (not Eve) a command with incomprehensible consequences.
What kind of death did they die in the day they ate thereof?
In the Bible, "simple" means stupid, - LOL
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Well, they quite literally were reborn into him, lol.
But what does the universalist idea teach on this?
Do babies go to heaven automatically?
Or do they go to hell temporarily and suffer for a little while before they're allowed in?
If they all automatically go to heaven, why not kill all babies?
No, he also gave Eve the command through Adam. They rejected his command.
If I tell you "don't steal my wallet", then someone else comes along and says "steal his wallet", and you do, then that's not my fault. It's yours.
You certainly have some warped ideas about life and the afterlife.
Tell me whether I am understanding you correctly.
1) The way to heaven is by our free-will choice to follow Christ in repentance.
2) Unless God has not chosen you as one of the predestined Elect. Then there is no free-will choice.
3) His foreknowledge informs Him of whether you would prefer incineration to paradise.
4) We should kill all babies so they can go straight to heaven. Except for the ones that were not the Elect.
They will burn. But they would have anyway. We are just helping the process along. Doing God's work.
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1. Sure
2. Anyone who accepts Christ is born of God. God chose you because he knew you would accept Jesus. This offer is open for all to accept freely.
3. You keep using the word paradise. It's not paradise to everyone. Certainly not to Satan or the angels that rejected God.
4. I listed several reasons why we shouldn't do that before, so no it wouldn't be doing God's work.
And I asked you from a universalism perspective, why shouldn't we kill all babies?
The predestination doctrine is full of problems. As you demonstrated in your quote above.
Previously you stated that there is not salvation for those God chose not to save. Those he predestined to destruction.
Lucifer and the angels that went with him did NOT leave heaven willingly. They were thrown out. Your claim that heaven isn't paradise for everyone is absurd. A typical blame the victim apologetic.
That's a ridiculous question. I have seen it pointed the other way as well. Send babies to heaven to keep them out of hell.
Killing babies is murder. No one should do that.
I'm surprised that you don't have any real questions about UR yet. Or maybe I'm not surprised, based on your track record.
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That's extortion.
Who created hell? (or destruction via incineration)
A God of love couldn't have provided a place for those that you claim don't want to be with him?
As if to say, "I love you. But if you don't love me, you will be incinerated. Because, obviously you wouldn't be happy anywhere."
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This below is the restoration….God’s kingdom is restored by removing all the “tares” and evil out of it:
Matt 13:37-43
He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
and shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
It's possible I might have already commented on this thread but never hurts to be reminded of God's word anyhow.
Act 17:29-32
Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked: and others said, We will hear thee again of this matter.
See that....He is going to judge the world "by that man" Jesus Christ.....IOW judge by who is either in Him or not.
"To whom much is given much is required"………yes true……and His voice has gone out into all the earth with the gospel......so the gospel has been given to the whole world therefore repentance is required.....but most reject it.
Here are your two resurrections….one is to everlasting life and the other is to everlasting contempt, ie, no everlasting life:
Dan 12:2
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
There are no issues with predeterminism. Yes there is no salvation for some, because they would never have accepted him no matter what he did. They are predetermined to hell. Because God is all-knowing. But it's still their choice. However, some who he knows will accept him are given extra knowledge to increase their faith. He actually pushes them into it, because he knows this will lead them to believe.
You haven't raised any actual objections, you've just said "I don't think that's morally acceptable!"
But wait, why isn't it morally acceptable for God to know what people will choose to do if they still do have a choice? Should he take away their choice? Or should he take away his knowledge? Hm. It seems then if God is all-knowing, and we have free will, then predeterminism is true. There's just no way around it.
And indeed Lucifer didn't leave heaven willingly I agree. But what he had wasn't enough for him. That's the point.
Yes murder is wrong I know. But think logically here. In your worldview, I can go to hell temporarily by sending lots of babies to heaven. That doesn't make me evil, it makes me a martyr. So answer the question. Why is it wrong?
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Why couldn't God create a vile, evil place filled with sin, where people could just do whatever they wanted to do to each other separate from his perfection and love?
No the offer is open to all, but not all will accept it.
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For whom did Jesus die? Did Jesus die for everyone? For whom did Jesus die? Will everyone Jesus died for go to heaven?
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1) Why would you use hell as a defense when you don't believe in it?
2) Hell isn't a place where souls are free to sin. That place is heaven. Remember what happened to Lucifer? (he was free to sin)
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Not according to the predeterminism that you preach.
Countless billions have gone into the afterlife with no knowledge whatsoever of Christ.
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